Info 340 dude, Jabari Walters..be careful.

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Sorry Man
Wednesday, June 22, 2011 8:38 PM
From:
"Jabari Walters" <[email protected]>
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"Tom Clarke" <[email protected]>
Its cool man you can just save your dragons and sell them to someone else bro I didnt mean for things to go down the way they did but it looks like you dont want anything to do with me buisness wise I loved the dragon you sold me and was upset at myself at how late it took me to get in contact with you but I cant do anything now about it bro im sorry I wish you and the baltimore beardies the best of luck in the future and im sure your amazing dragons will continue making your customers happy I wish things didnt have to end this way but I will still give you a good rating even though you put me on blast bro but I guess thats just the way it is.

Peace

J

That's so heartwarming...now leave him alone and go elsewhere for your dragons and make sure you have the proper setup for the next dragon. Don't worry much about him he's got a good reputation which will pull though any you say.

 

[dragonluver83]

Hey everyone im sad to see this up I didnt think this entire situation was going to be such a big deal I was just seeking advice from you tom and I did change the for sale thing because I thought of it after a while and I said that wouldnt be fair to you to see a dragon you just sold me to sell for more and I would never try to sell a dragon that was in bad condition a lot of people emailed me but I told them no he is in no condition and I feel bad giving a animal to a person when theyre not eating thats just not how buisness is done im sorry to anyone who is upset by this but Tom im sad to see that your taking it this far I didnt mean to break your guarantee stuff or w.e. but I dont feel that you should have put me on blast over this situation bro I was really looking forward to doing buisness with you in the future but I guess you dont wanna do any buisness with me and im just going to leave it at that im sorry I wasted your time but I do not feel that this was the best way to handle this situation.

I feel that you all dont need to watch out i just emailed tom if you want proof i told him keep his dragon im not trying to anyone over but i already know how people are on this boi nonsense that you feel im such a bad person but o well im not going to respond to this anymore im sorry TOM love your dragons and stuff but this was uncalled for I wouldnt have put you on blast especially since the dragon is dead like what am i going do sell a dead dragon to someone come on thats just up bro but its w.e.

This is NOT how I want to go about this. I want you to get a proper setup and receive another dragon. The fact is, it was the housing and a few other details that put this dragon in bad shape. If you get a proper setup, you will have much better luck!

Terms of service are set to make a guideline for the buyers. People need to know there are stipulations when buying a reptile. An its not "Oh my animal died send me another one". This keeps the seller from losing out alot of money for someone who is not educated enough to care for these animals. Some sellers stick to them, some dont. I make my T.O.S., I can bend them if I think its necessary...... One of my terms is "live arrival and four weeks there after".

Out of the two terms he DID break, the live arrival and four weeks after. Is the most important.

So....... It is, what it is.

Jabari,

This is a beautiful hobby and I wouldnt want to chase anyone away from it. Only encourage it. I dont feel over, if you go out and make the attempt to buy what is needed. I WILL send you another dragon. I did not come here to win anyone over, so I didnt have to send you another dragon.


I am up set that the dragon stopped eating on friday and you kept the ad running like there was nothing wrong.(This reason here is why and ONLY why you got posted on the b.o.i.) Then when the dragon is on its last limb, you finally e-mail me with "there is a problem, and you know i wont screw you over". An it was NOT a bad guy thread. Just a warning to others about that dragon, and maybe how you were gonna sell/trade a un-healthy beardie.

Come on, im pissed. Look at how this went down. It didnt bother me you tired to flip this dragon. I do sell wholesale. But look at all the factors. So really at this time. I dont want to have further dealings with you. You want me to think more of you, show a interest in this hobby. Properly care for your animals. Then maybe I may show a interest in you? ..

I will be shipping another leatherback to you, with pics of your proper setup on Monday June 26th. If you dont have a setup. I wont postpone shipping the dragon. At that time I will NOT send you one. Its your decision. You have everything but a aquarium, 15 20 gal no larger. and I didnt see a u.v.b. tube light in your video. You will need a fixture and a 10.0 uvb.

Word of advice, NO other baby dragon will survive in that enclosure. If you do decide you dont want my replacement. Dont think anyone else's baby dragon will live in there. You need a proper setup.

I dont think I cannot be more fair? If I am wrong lemme know!


P.s. Laura's 5th point on her once again great post. "pictures of your new setup will need to be provided, before your new dragon is sent." Is dead on, and will prove if you want to care for these animals and be in this hobby or not.

 

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All I can say is your a lot more forgiving than me. No way in heck that I would send him another.

 

[dragonluver83]

All I can say is your a lot more forgiving than me. No way in heck that I would send him another.

That is the same thing my girl friend said, she said something I cant say, and walked away. Whatever Im always getting yelled at. Thats why I like my dragons!

You know if the guy had a proper setup, he probably would have been okay.

Thats why I always tell everyone any questions contact me asap. I have a good bit of customers that stay in touch with me quite often. Even if there isnt a problem they just hit me up, letting me know everything is good.

I have time for who ever needs it. Some times I miss a e-mail BUT not because it was on purpose.

 

[340dude]

OK

Tom that thing with the ad I wasnt even studying bro I was focusing on getting the dragon better and was not thinking about taking a ad down while this was happening I was very depressed this was happening and was asking other people for advice but never went to your website and when I finally did I saw what you said on your guarantee and I contacted you to see what advice you could give but I do feel like the setup has nothing to do with it no matter what you think I really am in this for the passion I have for bearded dragons and the reason I got that setup is because it was the cheapest and biggest that I could afford at the time im in miami bro if you know how hot it is here you would understand why I didnt get a glass tank its just to hot and I was thinking about the dragon and what would be best for him like I said before Tom I had 2 dragons in there for a long time and everything was perfect bro I ended up selling the 2 of them just to buy the one and then I still feel like you dont understand me because just cuz you or someone else may raise there dragon in a glass tank doesnt mean everyone does I did what works best for me and thats what works I cannot afford a tank right now and I have the 10.0 uvb bulb u were talking about that you didnt see I did my research before purchasing any bearded dragons I also have a rock to like you were suggesting also I feel like this is still being blown out of porportion bro just because the ad was up n u think i was trying to flip him when I had more important matters with the dragon not eating that I tried to take into my own hands which is y i never took it down idk y u n i couldnt have a convo on the phone instead of it being addressed bro I feel like we need to talk on the phone so I can explain the situation bro

 

[340dude]

ALSO

also just to clarify things to tom the dragon did eat turnip greens on saturday bro so he stopped eating on sunday and monday 2 days bro

 

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Tom that thing with the ad I wasnt even studying bro I was focusing on getting the dragon better and was not thinking about taking a ad down while this was happening I was very depressed this was happening and was asking other people for advice but never went to your website and when I finally did I saw what you said on your guarantee and I contacted you to see what advice you could give but I do feel like the setup has nothing to do with it no matter what you think I really am in this for the passion I have for bearded dragons and the reason I got that setup is because it was the cheapest and biggest that I could afford at the time im in miami bro if you know how hot it is here you would understand why I didnt get a glass tank its just to hot and I was thinking about the dragon and what would be best for him like I said before Tom I had 2 dragons in there for a long time and everything was perfect bro I ended up selling the 2 of them just to buy the one and then I still feel like you dont understand me because just cuz you or someone else may raise there dragon in a glass tank doesnt mean everyone does I did what works best for me and thats what works I cannot afford a tank right now and I have the 10.0 uvb bulb u were talking about that you didnt see I did my research before purchasing any bearded dragons I also have a rock to like you were suggesting also I feel like this is still being blown out of porportion bro just because the ad was up n u think i was trying to flip him when I had more important matters with the dragon not eating that I tried to take into my own hands which is y i never took it down idk y u n i couldnt have a convo on the phone instead of it being addressed bro I feel like we need to talk on the phone so I can explain the situation bro

Hey BRO, I think you need to stop... your making yourself look ever worse. Got it BRO?

 

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That is the same thing my girl friend said, she said something I cant say, and walked away. Whatever Im always getting yelled at. Thats why I like my dragons!

You know if the guy had a proper setup, he probably would have been okay.

Thats why I always tell everyone any questions contact me asap. I have a good bit of customers that stay in touch with me quite often. Even if there isnt a problem they just hit me up, letting me know everything is good.

I have time for who ever needs it. Some times I miss a e-mail BUT not because it was on purpose.

I think your girlfriend and I would get along great!

 

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Heads up...I got a infraction because I quoted his profanity ( I wouldn't have done if I would have caught it). So if you quote his post make sure you read it well because he puts the f bomb in them.

 

[dragonluver83]

Tom that thing with the ad I wasnt even studying bro I was focusing on getting the dragon better and was not thinking about taking a ad down while this was happening I was very depressed this was happening and was asking other people for advice

You were so focused on the dragons health, that you couldnt contact the guy you bought him from?

but I do feel like the setup has nothing to do with it no matter what you think

Im 28 yrs old in two months. I have been breeding since I was 21. I started out breeding pet store animals. Then moved to what I breed now. I have housed dragons in all kinds of setups. Housed inside and out. I know what works and what doesnt.

Your screen cage holds NO heat for the dragons hot spot. Thats why the stick is 100 105 and the ground below the stick is in the 80's.

I really am in this for the passion

Well time will tell.

I have for bearded dragons and the reason I got that setup is because it was the cheapest and biggest that I could afford at the time

More bang for your buck isnt always better.The size of your dragons habitat should grow with the dragon. Even if that means putting a divider in the cage until the dragon is larger. BUT then you run into the screen problem again. That is about to be explained.

im in miami bro if you know how hot it is here you would understand why I didnt get a glass tank its just to hot and I was thinking about the dragon and what would be best for him like I said before Tom I had 2 dragons in there for a long time and everything was perfect bro I ended up selling the 2 of them just to buy the one and then I still feel like you dont understand me because just cuz you or someone else may raise there dragon in a glass tank doesnt mean everyone does

Okay your in miami, Where is your dragon inside or out? A screen cage is good for a dragon that is out side, NOT inside.

A glass aqu. will kill a dragon, well cook a dragon if left outside? Your you tube video showed your dragon inside.

I do not house mine in a glass aqu. I recommend them because they are easily available. An from there you still have to "paper up the sides" with something so they dont see multiple reflects in the glass cage.

I did what works best for me and thats what works

Im glad it works for you, how did it work for the dragon?

I cannot afford a tank right now and I have the 10.0 uvb bulb u were talking about that you didnt see I did my research before purchasing any bearded dragons

When will you be ava. to get a tank?

You did your research? where does it say to house a bearded dragon in a netted cage?

also I feel like this is still being blown out of porportion bro just because the ad was up n u think i was trying to flip him when I had more important matters with the dragon not eating that I tried to take into my own hands which is y i never took it down

My man what dont you understand? On FRIDAY June 18th the dragon stopped eating. on MONDAY June 21st the ad was changed from "for sale" to "trade" for a larger adult breedable male. WHY didnt you take the ad down instead of change it to a trade deal?

I dont understand, why you dont understand? You sent me a payment over a computer, you can post classifieds. BUT you dont understand that? UNLESS i am WRONG and thats not when you changed it. ( an I would want a verification by a mod, for time and dates of edits on that ad) Then you must think im the dumbest damn person in the world? WOW, Im going to need blood pressure meds.

idk y u n i couldnt have a convo on the phone instead of it being addressed bro I feel like we need to talk on the phone so I can explain the situation bro

I can see, my eyes work. I know all I need to. Maybe you should get a setup, and get this dragon. And just be done with it.

No phone convo is needed. I dont think you can fast talk me, I use to work for a yacht broker. I seen and heard all I needed to there.

Im going to bed so I can hear my g.f. call me a dumb over this

 

[dragonluver83]

also just to clarify things to tom the dragon did eat turnip greens on saturday bro so he stopped eating on sunday and monday 2 days bro

O okay so your e-mail where it says "he stopped eating last week on friday". was a lie? times two.

Dude you better stop posting, you will piss me off and not get the replacement. okay, bro.


Try showing thanks, to those that show mercy.

P.s. for those who didn't catch it, eh him (jabari) YOU EDITED THE AD ON MONDAY. HE WAS NOT EATING THAT DAY OR THE DAY BEFORE.

So that lie still didnt help you. You got anymore. Or are you going to let it go?

 

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I will give you $150 if you don't give him another dragon and you never sell to him again. I'm good for my word, I can Paypal you tonight if you will do this. Why let him kill another one when you can get cash?

 

[340dude]

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1. I had sick dragons in the past bro n have dealt with them myself without contacting the breeder because I did it before
2.the screen cage is on my porch during the day n when its dark I bring him inside for the last remaining hours
3.it worked fine for the dragon dude if u think about it i got him from u on monday or tuesday so wed thurs fri n sat he ate turnip greens n was fine sunday n monday he didnt eat tuesday he died 2 days he doesnt eat n dies all the other days he was alive n i raised 2 other dragons in there for 3 months each n they survived n r still alive to this day with there new owners
4.WHY didnt you take the ad down instead of change it to a trade deal?
becuz i wasnt worried about a dumb ad that i wasnt focusing on bro idc bout any ad that was up i think ur thinking i was trying to sell a sick or dead reptile y dont u go see if the ad is still up its not bro im not trying to screw anyone over im not that type of person bro
5.Then you must think im the dumbest damn person in the world?
bro u cant be serious bout this ^^^^ i never said anything like that im hearing telling u whats going on idk where this came from
6.phone convo isnt needed. I dont think you can fast talk me, I use to work for a yacht broker. I seen and heard all I needed to there.

Im going to bed so I can hear my g.f. call me a dumb over this

DUDE im not trying to fast talk u man i just feel like your taking this the wrong way like it seems like u really think i would sell ur dragon when he isnt eating come on what good would that do for me in the future on fauna bro come on n u think ur gf is giving u a hard time my girl was sad by his death after being so attached to our newest dragon u should hear the stuff she is saying bout this situation she is calling me a because im not asking for my money but its my fault for not contacting u sooner so im fully accountable for my actions bro i just gotta live with my consequences dude

 

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Give 340dude a infraction he's saying bad words again and I'm offended...BRO.

 

[dragonluver83]

I will give you $150 if you don't give him another dragon and you never sell to him again. I'm good for my word, I can Paypal you tonight if you will do this. Why let him kill another one when you can get cash?

Chirstina,

If I though a effort would be made to properly care for a replacement I would send it. But the light is getting dimmer as I read his post.

Its not about the money hun. Its really not about the money.


Taking a loss, isnt always taking a loss. If you can understand that.

But he isnt starting to sound like a customer who really gives a damn so. We'll see.

Thanks for the offer tho, Lol.

 

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I know it's not about the money but come on lets not have another dragon die in his care. If you take my money the dragon lives and you can take your girl out on the town!!! And I win because I don't care for a pet killing **** like him.

 

[340dude]

Chirstina Friedli

can u plz stop being so rude and disrespectful towards me i have done nothing towards u n I am not a animal killer plz i see no point in your negative responses towards me plz stop!!!

 

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Well see you have done something to me as you are trying to take advantage of a fellow breeder. I personally take offence to this as It could have been me in his shoes. I also don't like the way you cared for the dragon, I also think it's awful you were trying to sell him while he wasn't eating which means you were trying to screw someone over and this effects me as well since they could be future costumers of mine and I don't want them scared of buying online because some of us are honest and not like you.

 

[340dude]

Chirstina Friedli

first off how am i trying to take advantage of tom when i told him to keep his dragon if u havent noticed u are making urself look very immature by the way u attack other people who have done other transactions on fauna before without any problems n now u wanna try to come at me saying im trying to screw tom over i told him keep his dragons and y would i spend so much money on a dragon to kill it u ever think about that tom posted this as a caution n to notify people to overlook the ad thats it not to bash me like what your doing how do u think people are going to look at you when u acting like this towards other fauna members u think they will wanna do buisness with u really come on GROW UP!!!!!! n ur here telling him not to give me something im not asking for please i wast trying to screw no one over i had a deal in place n i contacted them and told them yea idont wanna make the deal if he isnt getting better and i was giving them daily updates please go somewhere else with your negativity how do u not like the way i cared for the dragon u dont live with me u havent even seen my setup or anything so plz just cuz tom seen it doesnt mean its the end of the world he n i have two point of views when raising our dragons so please go somewhere else n bother someone with your negativity i am being 100% truthful and im bout to get the guy that i was going to do the deal with to come on here and speak to tom cuz he knows all my emails i will even post them since u think im trying to screw people over when u didnt know that the trade i was going to do i had to ship my dragon first u think the trade would go through with a dead dragon think before u speak cuz i might be making myself look bad but ur making urself look bad

 

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First off I would like to thank you for not calling me Bro. I as see it I couldn't care less how my attitude is viewed as my animals will sell because they are healthy quality animals that are priced right. I may be a B***H when expressing myself but only to those who rub me wrong. You killed the dragon with your inexperience and yes I 100% believe you were trying to sell a non eating dragon which makes you a bad guy.