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Bad Guy Jim Talioferro - Dead Shipment/Unresponsive

To catch up and answer a few questions..

There were no distinguishable markings, to my recollection, on any of the boxes stating what was contained, etc. I will have to look at the small male's box as well to verify.

I will ensure that the appropriate agencies are informed of the additional civil actions I take as I know he is housing animals and just recently purchased additional tortoises.

In addition, I will get the timeline and texts up this weekend. Sorry for the delay.
 
Chuckels said:
I have to respectfully disagree with this. There are plenty of people who will defend any animal. Heck, you could call PETA and I'm sure they'd give you an attorney on their dime.

Trey Jackson
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you should NEVER EVER under any circumstance call peta for any reason. they will turn this around and say the animal died because YOU ordered it and then use it to bad our pets. peta is a joke and a political group who does not care about your pets. they only care about not keeping animals as pets.
adam jeffery
 
Peta wants to stop ANYONE from having a pet. They've been known to go to shelters and pick up adoptable dogs and cats. then shelter workers find the animals dead and in a dumpster.
 
LauraB said:
It's doubtful Jim will do the right thing all on his own - a little legal prodding might just be the ticket.
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The 'right thing' would be to go to jail. Galen, have you thought about taking this story to the local news? They, of course, would give him a chance to tell his side, which I assume he would decline to do. But at the very least it would shut him down, and make the community aware. St. Louis news jumps all over animal cruelty cases.


Noelle
 
farfrumugen said:
you should NEVER EVER under any circumstance call peta for any reason. they will turn this around and say the animal died because YOU ordered it and then use it to bad our pets. peta is a joke and a political group who does not care about your pets. they only care about not keeping animals as pets.
adam jeffery
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reptilebaby said:
Peta wants to stop ANYONE from having a pet. They've been known to go to shelters and pick up adoptable dogs and cats. then shelter workers find the animals dead and in a dumpster.
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You are both very misinformed. The PETA headquarters is a few minutes away from my house and they run the SNIP program which offers a very low cost spay/neuter with meds for everyones PETS. They work very hard and late hours to make sure they help as many people's pets as possible. They also do various other treatments and shots for peoples pets and work hard to rehome home PETS from high kill shelters. That is a horrible generalization because everyone I have met that worked with PETA has several pets at home. I'm not for everything they do, but they do A LOT of good.

Sorry this is off topic a little, but you are letting a few bad seeds alter your perception of the group. There are extremists, yes, but not every muslim carries bombs either.
 
Focal X said:
You are both very misinformed. The PETA headquarters is a few minutes away from my house and they run the SNIP program which offers a very low cost spay/neuter with meds for everyones PETS. They work very hard and late hours to make sure they help as many people's pets as possible. They also do various other treatments and shots for peoples pets and work hard to rehome home PETS from high kill shelters. That is a horrible generalization because everyone I have met that worked with PETA has several pets at home. I'm not for everything they do, but they do A LOT of good.

Sorry this is off topic a little, but you are letting a few bad seeds alter your perception of the group. There are extremists, yes, but not every muslim carries bombs either.
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I'm about to chew a hole in my tongue from having to bite it, but I'm not going to perpetuate it here.

Any discussion about Peta will most definitely get heated quickly, so before this thread gets dragged off topic I'll go ahead and say that line of discussion needs to be taken elsewhere on the site and not continued here on the BOI.
 
I believe that once that the appropriate state and local animal/agricultural authorities are made aware via legal team, I think it would be best left in the agencies hands to publicize appropriately, etc.
 
In regards to not labeling a package with any live animal in it, is this not against the Lacey Act?
True, even being a certified FedEx shipper (which is not the case here), FedEx does not require the certified shipper to place labels on the box. They leave that to the shipper's discretion. However, I had heard recently that not placing labels to identify that there is an animal in the box is against the Lacey Act.

Can anyone clarify on this?

Kindest regards,

Amanda
 
I'm absolutely sickened at what happened to that poor animal. I'm just about speechless. Galen, I hope that you are able to bring some sort of legal action against Jim, and while it won't change what happened to that poor animal, maybe it will be some sort of justice.
 
Focal X said:
You are both very misinformed. The PETA headquarters is a few minutes away from my house and they run the SNIP program which offers a very low cost spay/neuter with meds for everyones PETS. They work very hard and late hours to make sure they help as many people's pets as possible. They also do various other treatments and shots for peoples pets and work hard to rehome home PETS from high kill shelters. That is a horrible generalization because everyone I have met that worked with PETA has several pets at home. I'm not for everything they do, but they do A LOT of good.

Sorry this is off topic a little, but you are letting a few bad seeds alter your perception of the group. There are extremists, yes, but not every muslim carries bombs either.
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http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1329910
 
Chuckels said:
I have to respectfully disagree with this. There are plenty of people who will defend any animal. Heck, you could call PETA and I'm sure they'd give you an attorney on their dime.

I am expecting a call back tomorrow from my old local F&W Service guy, he'll fill me in on if anything can be done, and who to call.

I can't say this enough, this is the most cruel thing I've seen to date.

Trey Jackson
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Pasodama said:
I really hate such blanket statements.
Although LE can take action, and some may, chances are that LE would refer such cases to Animal Control, Game Warden, etc.
Not because they do not care, but because there may be a "feel" that such cases (re. animals) are more appropriate to be handled by agencies that deal, more specifically, with animals.
I can tell you, first hand, that there are plenty of LE officers that do care ... and care a lot.
Also, if the OP is not refunded, it would be a civil matter (under the eyes of the law). The male being smaller, than what was stated (in private communication), would also be a civil matter.
Smuggling (should that be a case) is also handled by different agencies.
Fraud could be taken up, by LE, but I don't think that fraud fits into this because Jim did send what was advertised (the female).

That said, this situation (with the tortoises) just sickens me to no end. It creates an "agony", within me, when I think of what these tortoises must have gone through ... especially that poor, beautiful, female!
Wish I could place the responsible individuals in an oven... tit for tat.
However, since that is not possible (or legal), I truly hope some productive legal measures, along with animal cruelty charges, can/will be taken upon Jim and his SO.
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I understand what both of you are saying, and I don't want to drag things way off topic here, but please take note of the fact that I live in Michigan. I have also been involved in rescue for the last 18 years. I have placed numerous calls to many agencies for many different cases of cruelty, and most often nothing is done. I have seen live turtles wrapped up in cellophane and stacked up on the floor of an Asian market, and made NUMEROUS calls to several enforcement agencies and, guess what, that market is still selling those turtles.

I have called the DNR numerous times to report people harassing, harming and even removing protected turtles from the wild and blatantly selling them. Nothing was ever done.

My statement was not meant to insult any officers, mainly to state what my observations in this state are. And, to be frank, it is that they do not care enough about reptiles. If it is a pony or a puppy or a kitten, you betcha, they are right there. But there is a reason that I no longer do cat/dog/horse rescue, and focus on reptiles. It is because there are so few that will stand up for them in this area.

And I will never forget the Turn 3 Ranch fiasco in Jackson, MI.

But, I digress completely from the topic and shall at this point bow out gracefully. I hope beyond hope that the person that tortured those poor tortoises is brought to justice.
 
Currently in the hands of a local law firm.

Will update as available.

Individual has several prior felony convictions for fraud, so should be interesting.
 
Captive_Science said:
Currently in the hands of a local law firm.

Will update as available.

Individual has several prior felony convictions for fraud, so should be interesting.
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Galen,

You are a stand-up guy, who I wish all the best luck to. You have remained calm and collect throughout this entire ordeal and deserve to be commended for your actions. One of the few individuals who not only provided proof, but listed things you forgot to address / keep concerning your case. This will be a lesson to all of us shall we ever have the misfortune to have to deal with such a situation.

Once again best of luck

Michael Brown
 
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