Info Johathon at Breeders Circle saying his Citrus Pastel WO makes our Power House WO

[HerpVenue]

The PHR washout is it's own visual gene. As pictured and stated in the World of Ball Pythons, even though the name is still awaiting update. THE WASHOUT IS IT'S OWN VISUAL GENETIC MORPH. The visual morph is the marker on the PHR Washout.
So come on Jon, show the markers already! This won't go away! It seems Amir left you hanging high and dry about you being part of his Whiteout project. Amir stated it is not random occurring as you said Jon! There are visual genetic markers. The Whiteout would be visible in every clutch. Jon,someone in this thread stated you showed them your visual genetic marker. Show the marker already! The PHR Washout is NOT a citrus pastel white out. Amir did not produce the animal that is making the washout, he flipped it to them. That is why he is leaving Jon hanging high and dry and posting no photos of any animals. He has not produced a Washout. Mountain Top

woah.

Who are you? If you are you and got someone to type this for you, then cool. But if someone is using your computer and posting under your name, then not cool.

 

[JudyC]

woah.

Who are you? If you are you and got someone to type this for you, then cool. But if someone is using your computer and posting under your name, then not cool.

Well, between Joe Capone and Clark Tucker, this wouldn't exactly be a new or surprising tactic, would it?

Seriously though, if Kevin has a genuine handicap that prevents him from being able to use punctuation (as he stated in an earlier post) and he gets someone to help him type so the rest of us can understand what he's trying to say, then I say more power to him.

The whole Powerhouse thing smells beyond fishy...but I can't be critical of someone for trying to communicate more clearly when asked to do so.

 

[Chris Kennard]

The PHR washout is it's own visual gene. As pictured and stated in the World of Ball Pythons, even though the name is still awaiting update. THE WASHOUT IS IT'S OWN VISUAL GENETIC MORPH. The visual morph is the marker on the PHR Washout.
So come on Jon, show the markers already! This won't go away! It seems Amir left you hanging high and dry about you being part of his Whiteout project. Amir stated it is not random occurring as you said Jon! There are visual genetic markers. The Whiteout would be visible in every clutch. Jon,someone in this thread stated you showed them your visual genetic marker. Show the marker already! The PHR Washout is NOT a citrus pastel white out. Amir did not produce the animal that is making the washout, he flipped it to them. That is why he is leaving Jon hanging high and dry and posting no photos of any animals. He has not produced a Washout. Mountain Top

Also posted by mountain..."Thank you were there for sticking up for me I apologize for coming off like a troll have had a stroke and I have a hard time punctuating I can't always remember how to do it right"... Quick healer??? Good eye ferret!

 

[Chris Kennard]

Well, between Joe Capone and Clark Tucker, this wouldn't exactly be a new or surprising tactic, would it?

Seriously though, if Kevin has a genuine handicap that prevents him from being able to use punctuation (as he stated in an earlier post) and he gets someone to help him type so the rest of us can understand what he's trying to say, then I say more power to him.

The whole Powerhouse thing smells beyond fishy...but I can't be critical of someone for trying to communicate more clearly when asked to do so.

Good point. Hope you're right.

 

[mountain top]

I am Kevin Matthews, I am disabled from three heart attacks, two strokes and seven bad discs. Nobody tells me what to post or not to. Yes I asked my mom for help writing my posting as she is a former elementary school teacher. So let us now work on the truth not me ok. why I am so interested in the markers is I have a close friend of mine who bought 2 breedable citrus pastel so called whiteout.
Thank you, K. Matthews aka mountain top

 

[KingBowser]

As of right now, I have no desire to ever purchase from either one of these dealers. I don't trust how this situation has been handled.

 

[David Reid]

This stinks almost as bad as the whole Toffee, Toffino, Bannana debacle. Very bad karma.

Dave

 

[chongorojo]

The PHR washout is it's own visual gene. As pictured and stated in the World of Ball Pythons, even though the name is still awaiting update. THE WASHOUT IS IT'S OWN VISUAL GENETIC MORPH. The visual morph is the marker on the PHR Washout.
So come on Jon, show the markers already! This won't go away! It seems Amir left you hanging high and dry about you being part of his Whiteout project. Amir stated it is not random occurring as you said Jon! There are visual genetic markers. The Whiteout would be visible in every clutch. Jon,someone in this thread stated you showed them your visual genetic marker. Show the marker already! The PHR Washout is NOT a citrus pastel white out. Amir did not produce the animal that is making the washout, he flipped it to them. That is why he is leaving Jon hanging high and dry and posting no photos of any animals. He has not produced a Washout. Mountain Top

This IS Kevin Matthews actually, I know him from when he lived in Arizona. Kevin has suffered multiple strokes and IS termanilly ill. Fortunatley he has found help composing his point, that's all no "Fish" as far as I know Kevin.Talk to txt sucks for getting your point across.

 

[mountain top]

Hey brian thanks man. and I couldn't agree more on talk to text. good talking to you again talk soon brother. Thank you, kevin

This IS Kevin Matthews actually, I know him from when he lived in Arizona. Kevin has suffered multiple strokes and IS termanilly ill. Fortunatley he has found help composing his point, that's all no "Fish" as far as I know Kevin.Talk to txt sucks for getting your point across.

 

[garweft]

The PHR washout is it's own visual gene. As pictured and stated in the World of Ball Pythons, even though the name is still awaiting update. THE WASHOUT IS IT'S OWN VISUAL GENETIC MORPH. The visual morph is the marker on the PHR Washout.
So come on Jon, show the markers already! This won't go away! It seems Amir left you hanging high and dry about you being part of his Whiteout project. Amir stated it is not random occurring as you said Jon! There are visual genetic markers. The Whiteout would be visible in every clutch. Jon,someone in this thread stated you showed them your visual genetic marker. Show the marker already! The PHR Washout is NOT a citrus pastel white out. Amir did not produce the animal that is making the washout, he flipped it to them. That is why he is leaving Jon hanging high and dry and posting no photos of any animals. He has not produced a Washout. Mountain Top

Here is the PHR washout that is shown on the world of ball pythons database. What kind of visual morph is that??

Taken from http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/washout/

 

[gsrept]

simple recessive?

 

[Chris Kennard]

Hmmm... "So let us now work on the truth not me ok." K

I am Kevin Matthews, I am disabled from three heart attacks, two strokes and seven bad discs. Nobody tells me what to post or not to. Yes I asked my mom for help writing my posting as she is a former elementary school teacher. So let us now work on the truth not me ok. why I am so interested in the markers is I have a close friend of mine who bought 2 breedable citrus pastel so called whiteout.
Thank you, K. Matthews aka mountain top

I was just wondering if your mother is the only one helping you out there. My apologies for not knowing the severity of your disability. When you posted that you had "a" stroke..."have had a stroke and I have a hard time punctuating"...I guess I put you in an age bracket (also because of the level of posting) that would seem to be a younger, healthier one. Presumptuous of me, yes. I also assumed that your mother was younger after reading the posts that seem so much like you are typing the words yourself..."Hey brian thanks man. and I couldn't agree more on talk to text. good talking to you again talk soon brother. Thank you, kevin"... But now I am really confused because even an elementary teacher's puctuation should be more accurate than posts written or corrected by a former teacher of any age group. In any case, my apologies.

 

[mountain top]

Ok now you are pissing me off! Chris you need to get a life, leave me be.
Kevin Matthews

 

[mountain top]

I was just wondering if your mother is the only one helping you out there. My apologies for not knowing the severity of your disability. When you posted that you had "a" stroke..."have had a stroke and I have a hard time punctuating"...I guess I put you in an age bracket (also because of the level of posting) that would seem to be a younger, healthier one. Presumptuous of me, yes. I also assumed that your mother was younger after reading the posts that seem so much like you are typing the words yourself..."Hey brian thanks man. and I couldn't agree more on talk to text. good talking to you again talk soon brother. Thank you, kevin"... But now I am really confused because even an elementary teacher's puctuation should be more accurate than posts written or corrected by a former teacher of any age group. In any case, my apologies.

Chris I accept your apology but it really is frustrating to me I'm 43 and I have had strokes have a hard time punctuating not sure why you think I would bother my mother for every single tiny posting. if I'm going to post a sentence or 2 bro even if it's a run on I figure you folks can figure it out no need to bother a 79 year old lady so sorry if I misunderstood you when I first read the posting because the last post I just put up but it's frustrating me man please stop wifi over analyzing okay thank you. kevin matthews

 

[Chris Kennard]

Chris I accept your apology but it really is frustrating to me I'm 43 and I have had strokes have a hard time punctuating not sure why you think I would bother my mother for every single tiny posting. if I'm going to post a sentence or 2 bro even if it's a run on I figure you folks can figure it out no need to bother a 79 year old lady so sorry if I misunderstood you when I first read the posting because the last post I just put up but it's frustrating me man please stop wifi over analyzing okay thank you. kevin matthews

You betcha. Take care.

 

[dustinNMpythons]

This whole thing is sad because I've purchased from both parties involved and everything went great. I just have very high hopes that 2-5 years down the line it doesn't end up in another toffino blowout! People find a way to make a quick buck and then hide it for years until the populace realize whats going on and become PISSED! It sucks too because a lot of times its decent breeders and they get a bad reputation because of it like they deserve for trying to be so shady.

Kevin, it sucks that you struggle to post on here but it's really awesome that you take the time to look around on fauna even with your illness. I hope you stick around bud.

 

[BreedersCircle]

So this situation can be as clear as possible... Amir, the creator of the citrus whiteout, will actually be doing an entire hour Interview on .com about the citrus and other morphs. This will help you clarify your questions. No one better to answer them but him.
You may even email Larry at [email protected] for questions for the show.
Date: This Sunday at 11:00 PM EST

For anyone that has any questions for me, I am more than open to them at [email protected] or on my cell 786-973-3364. Information on the citrus morph will be in the discussion forum soon.

Jonathan
Breeders Circle

 

[mountain top]

Doesn't everyone think it is really strange that the citrus pastel has been out since 2002 and PHR makes a Washout in 2010 8 years later with evidence that it doesn't have to do with any citrus pastel? Am I the only one who feels like this morph would have showed far sooner with far more people, since it has been out since 2002? Am I the only one that thinks that is a strange occurrence unlike Jonathon's random occurrence LOL? The gene is documented and singled out and pictured on this thread. Where Breeders Circle and Amir have not shown pictures of one. Only one person out of all the people that have citrus pastels a few months after PHR made their Washout then he makes his. How can can it be a super when their morph is making the single gene washout, mojave washouts as well as all the other crosses. I can see it doesn't have anything to do with any pastel or calico. I don't see any other breeder posting pictures of just the single Fader gene or anything like that, Just crosses. The evidence is stacked against Jonathon from what I see. Jonathon as of yet won't show the visual genetic hidden gene markers that Amir said there was. Amir didn't post any pics of the morph in question like he said he was going to on the other site. So rather than given us evidence here where this all started, he has chosen a format of communication such as internet radio. Excuse me Amir, I don't think that this will allow us to see the definitive photographic proof that we demand. Please stop insulting our intelligence in feeling like we have a say in the questions that you are going to answer? Hey guys this is not to troll anybody. I just don't feel that radio was an appropriate choice to settle the matter. No one has to come to any kind of agreement nor an arrangement so satisfy the questions at hand. Jonathon's stories of the genetics of the citrus pastel is constantly changing. It seems very plain to me what is going on here. Amir has yet to come through with anything to us except telling us their is visual genetic markers . Jonathon's story is changing like the direction of the wind. Only one other person who has made 1 clutch of washouts claims it is a super when PHR already showed a single washout and Mojave washout (there goes the super citrus theory, not to mention he is the only one). Clark has full disclosure on his multiple clutches to date. The full disclosure from PHR makes this pretty plain to me to be a cut and dry case. How bout showing us those visual genetic markers Jonathon! Mountain Top

 

[KingBowser]

I agree. I am not satisfied with the "radio interview" either. Wouldn't it just be easier to clear this up by typing it out so that it lies, concrete, never to be disputed or misinterpreted?

I believe Amir himself needs to take 5 minutes and give us an explanation and/or a photograph to put this to rest.

 

[deborahbroadus]

Doesn't everyone think it is really strange that the citrus pastel has been out since 2002 and PHR makes a Washout in 2010 8 years later with evidence that it doesn't have to do with any citrus pastel? Am I the only one who feels like this morph would have showed far sooner with far more people, since it has been out since 2002? Am I the only one that thinks that is a strange occurrence unlike Jonathon's random occurrence LOL? The gene is documented and singled out and pictured on this thread. Where Breeders Circle and Amir have not shown pictures of one. Only one person out of all the people that have citrus pastels a few months after PHR made their Washout then he makes his. How can can it be a super when their morph is making the single gene washout, mojave washouts as well as all the other crosses. I can see it doesn't have anything to do with any pastel or calico. I don't see any other breeder posting pictures of just the single Fader gene or anything like that, Just crosses. The evidence is stacked against Jonathon from what I see. Jonathon as of yet won't show the visual genetic hidden gene markers that Amir said there was. Amir didn't post any pics of the morph in question like he said he was going to on the other site. So rather than given us evidence here where this all started, he has chosen a format of communication such as internet radio. Excuse me Amir, I don't think that this will allow us to see the definitive photographic proof that we demand. Please stop insulting our intelligence in feeling like we have a say in the questions that you are going to answer? Hey guys this is not to troll anybody. I just don't feel that radio was an appropriate choice to settle the matter. No one has to come to any kind of agreement nor an arrangement so satisfy the questions at hand. Jonathon's stories of the genetics of the citrus pastel is constantly changing. It seems very plain to me what is going on here. Amir has yet to come through with anything to us except telling us their is visual genetic markers . Jonathon's story is changing like the direction of the wind. Only one other person who has made 1 clutch of washouts claims it is a super when PHR already showed a single washout and Mojave washout (there goes the super citrus theory, not to mention he is the only one). Clark has full disclosure on his multiple clutches to date. The full disclosure from PHR makes this pretty plain to me to be a cut and dry case. How bout showing us those visual genetic markers Jonathon! Mountain Top

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