Info Doc Walker, reptidoc, Dr. Daryl G. Walker = buyer beware

[reptilebaby]

Although I don't LIKE getting animals when it's really cold...

 

[Candachan]

I'm thinking the raffle might have been in response to this situation:
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=275059&highlight=proexotics


I'm sad that this buyer sent funds that would help assist another in our community in their time of need, was lucky enough to win some hatchlings in the raffle, and now has so little to show for her donations.
It would be nice if anyone in her area who has surplus healthy hatchlings might consider a gift of one of them to her.

Yes, this was my raffle that I had set up and run on Cornsnakes.com. I had 7 of my own babies as well as others donated from a few people including Doc Walker.

I'm upset that this happened, but I'm still happy about the money we raised together.

 

[reptilebaby]

OMG, I am worried after reading just ONE of those cornsnake.com threads....Thank GOD my friend is willing to take my baby for me!

 

[Lucille]

I'm still happy about the money we raised

It was awesome for you to step up and help.

 

[hhmoore]

For documentation purposes, I would like to post a few threads from CS.com that people can read through and get an idea here. These are the few threads that I can currently locate. If I can find more, I will post them.

http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=110545&highlight=dead

http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=109798&highlight=dead+breeder&page=3

With all due respect to your intentions and to CS.com, please do not add more links. Since that site does not share the identification requirements of the BOI, you are effectively providing anonymous third party quotations (check the first thread on the BOI, entitled A note about posting anonymous third party quotes http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=146268)

 

[hhmoore]

With all due respect to your intentions and to CS.com, please do not add more links. Since that site does not share the identification requirements of the BOI, you are effectively providing anonymous third party quotations (check the first thread on the BOI, entitled A note about posting anonymous third party quotes http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=146268)

Pretend that I posted it in blue the first time

 

[hhmoore]

I wish it had a brighter outcome. I have sold almost 500 snakes this season with no problems. It looks like my streak just ended. Sorry again.

Turning a blind eye to the obvious??? I know the thread was started in 2010, but there has been a lot added this year, as well. http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=202547&highlight=Reptiledoc

 

[WebSlave]

A few hours later, I went to actually set them up in their quarentine tubs. (earlier I had just set them to warm up) and I noticed that they were very small and felt kinda mushy. I e-mailed Doc that evening about supper time and asked him about hatch dates and feeding schedule. He got back to me later that night and told me that they were hatched between the begining to the middle of August and all had eaten between 8 to 10 times. I did e-mail him about the dates and feeds because it didnt sound just right to me and he did e-mail back that they were fed about every 7 to 10 days. Also, at this time he informed me to wait a few days to feed.Dee Anna Hazen

Doc,

Honestly I read the above highlighted text from Dee and the fist thing that popped into my mind concerning those animals she received was "malnourished". Level with me, please, how often are you feeding your babies? It sounds to me that you are just not feeding them enough. If you are feeding them 10 days or longer between meals, that will kill them for certain. A slow lingering death, but sure death nonetheless. The optimum feeding schedule is roughly every 5 days for baby corn snakes, but I averaged 7 days and got by OK, they just grew slower than they could have. I just got overwhelmed with numbers. Although I would have LIKED to have fed the babies more often, it kind of boiled down to how many could you REALISTICALLY feed every day to keep them ALL fed. When that number started reaching 300 or better per day, then it started to get away from me. I produced 8,000 babies one year and knew I could never do that again. There wasn't enough time in a day to feed them all on a reasonable schedule. That's also when I started bulking out a LOT of stuff, right out of the egg to reduce the numbers as quickly as possible. I also cut out nearly all of the shows we used to do because it was beginning to tell on the babies since every show meant I had to put gaps of 12 days between feedings as a result of being out of town. This was VERY hard on the babies and I had to make choices pertinent and prudent to their well being. I presume that you are doing this part time, so quite possibly you have bitten off more than you can chew with numbers and this is taking it's toll on your babies. This is a VERY hard business to do part time even with a regular 9 to 5 job.

Over the years I have talked to countless people who would feed their baby corn snakes no more than every two weeks, and they wondered why they eventually died on them even though they were feeding regularly. Well, yeah they were feeding regularly, but just not regularly ENOUGH. Baby snakes just need to be fed OFTEN. You need to get the started feeding ASAP after hatching and keep putting food into them just to keep them alive, much less growing. Heck, I used to try to get stubborn feeders going by force feeding them mouse tails. If that didn't kick start them QUICKLY into feeding on their own, they would die anyway because I just could not force enough tails down their throats fast enough to sustain them for long. And they CAN reach a point of no return with lack of nourishment where even if they do suddenly start getting fed more, the damage is already done. They are dead, but they just don't know it yet. When I saw the phrase "very small and felt kinda mushy", this is exactly what went through my mind.

Anyway, my humble opinion is that yes, you do have a problem on your hands. But it may all just be a basic husbandry issue, that is fixable.

 

[Cat_Eyed_Lady]

I do beleive Doc Walker wants to pretend that his snakes dont have any problems and he is a victim in all this. Like ppl are picking on him or something? I wish Doc would just admit there is a problem and would work on fixing it. So many hatchlings dieing! for nothing! The more I find out, the more frustrated with him I feel.

Only after I told Doc about doing a warning thread on the BOI, was he nice to me. Very sweet and kind... then asked me to retract the boi I had posted on him. Before that, it seemed like I was just a bother he would prefer to not e-mail with at all.

 

[Cat_Eyed_Lady]

Find below the e-mails where we talked about the feeding times and such. Bottom to top, sorry, didnt know how to turn it around.

No, thats not correct.
They have to shed their skins after hatching. That takes about 8 days. Then they also shed every few weeks and dont eat during the week it takes them to cloud up, clear up and shed their skins. I would say that they ate every 7-10 days on average when they werent in some sort of transition.


Dr. Darryl G. Walker



Website: http://www.DocSSnakes.com
Email: [email protected]




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From: "Dee Cat" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2011 10:40:57 PM
Subject: RE: Hatch Dates and Eating Episodes


Do I misunderstand? That means you feed approximately every 2 weeks??

Dee Anna



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Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 17:19:25 +0000
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Hatch Dates and Eating Episodes


Hypo (Het) Plasmas)--Hatched 8/21/11---Have eaten 8 times
Hypo (Het Sunkissed/Amel/Stripe)--Hatched 8/4/11---Have eaten 10 times
Hypo Stripe (Het Amel/Amber)--Hatched 8/22/11---Have eaten 8 times


Dr. Darryl G. Walker



Website: http://www.DocSSnakes.com
Email: [email protected]

 

[calvin455]

I do beleive Doc Walker wants to pretend that his snakes dont have any problems and he is a victim in all this. Like ppl are picking on him or something? I wish Doc would just admit there is a problem and would work on fixing it. So many hatchlings dieing! for nothing! The more I find out, the more frustrated with him I feel.

Only after I told Doc about doing a warning thread on the BOI, was he nice to me. Very sweet and kind... then asked me to retract the boi I had posted on him. Before that, it seemed like I was just a bother he would prefer to not e-mail with at all.

Those I got from Doc over 6 months of age look same size with less than one month old I got from my local breeders. snakes look skining and long way for traveling, couldn't made it my first one died next day less than 12 hrs.

When I email him the reply back from him may be long way travel??? my English is not good since I got here when I was adult, sometime misspelling or mis words kind hard understand. I did try my best to told him problem and he used this excused because my English hard for understood and he didn't want wasted time on me.

Cost me $700 that my hard working money to build my collection and lost for nothing, what I got from him is my English problem and don't want wasted time on me anymore but I am happy beside me some more show up and said what problem they got from Doc and I happy now because story are true but not making up because I am new didn't know how to care for snakes thanks god.

 

[Cat_Eyed_Lady]

I can understand you pretty well and not understanding is no excuse! If you dont understand, then you keep trying til your customer is happy!!! I am so sorry Doc did that to you. That treatment is shameful!

 

[chris1968]

In the mad rush to breed and produce as many babies as possible, as patience in this hobby is not a virtue so common anymore, I have never in my life seen so many small babies as I have these days, especially at shows. Even though a snake CAN double clutch, what is the final outcome, and does it really serve a purpose at all? If the female is small anyways at breeding, which breeding DOES take a tremendous toll on them, she may be wore out much earlier in her life than if she was raised to a healthy size before breeding to begin with. Double and triple clutching can and does produce smaller hatchlings that, a lot of the times, do not do so well, and do not thrive as well as a first clutch baby. These thoughts are from years of myself speaking with many breeders on that subject, and my own experience. This statement is not meant to be a blanket statement for every single second or third clutch baby out there, but there is a lot of merit to what PMSayi has stated

I cringe when any of the couple of corns I breed here double clutch; it's wasted effort from the time I spent getting a mom back in shape.

It (Docs) could be something as simple as being overwhelmed by too many "mouths" to feed, as suggested. But it's a lot of attention to oneself from dying snakes that warrants some answers. A certain corn breeder from CA used to have as his sig line "If it don't eat, it ain't worth sheet". Well, he sent out tiny, crappy eating corns that were underfed due to to him being indisposed...And those corns weren't worth a sheet either...

 

[calvin455]

I can understand you pretty well and not understanding is no excuse! If you dont understand, then you keep trying til your customer is happy!!! I am so sorry Doc did that to you. That treatment is shameful!

Thank you for your time DEE read my post, first very hard for me to made people understood me about my problem with Doc. $700 not $7 now my lost is worth not worthless like before no one trust this story.

Why I just point on him not someone else? because the snakes got problem.

 

[Cat_Eyed_Lady]

I really do wish that Doc Walker would come in and answer the questions we are all asking him. Or maybe I should say... that ppl have been asking for atleast 2 years now?

 

[Suncoast Herpetological]

Doc

Just a question...how many animals are you producing annually?

 

[Reptiledoc]

My Apologies to Everybody!

I just had a very helpful exchange with Rich Z today and believe I have figured out (Thanks to him) why this has been happening.
He said he would post his comments to me here on the thread for all to see.
I dont see it yet but I'm sure it will be on here soon.
In the past couple years, my collection has grown significantly partly due to purchasing many snakes from Rich when he was thinning out his collection before completely selling out of everything. I got excited about all he had and wanted to have a pair of everything I could. (The Fever got me I guess)
Although I did not double clutch any of my Females, I had several very large clutches (26-30 Eggs) which were the equivalence of 2 or 3 average clutches and therefore ended up with quite a few snakes to feed. A few animals Double Clutched without a second breeding which added insult to injury.
I divided up the Clutches into 7 groups of equal size so I could rotate them on a 7 day feeding schedule. That all seems perfect in theory but not every snake eats every time it is offered food. Ones that were 'Blue' on their day to feed missed their rotation until the next time around. Others that refused a Meal were in the same boat. I felt that if they ate the next time around that they would be no worse for wear and would be back on track, especially if they looked no different than the week before. Apparently that is not always the case. As Rich explained to me, an episode of that sort can compromise the snake internally even though it appears to be fine on the outside. The negative effects, if any, can surface weeks or even months later. I sent Him a response with much more detail on this that I am trying to paste on this thread here without much success so I am going to attempt to paste the 'Link' of the response here so it can be read by all and so I do not have to retype the entire thing. I was so worried about all the Major Possibilities that could have been causing these dilemmas that I stupidly didnt even think about what Rich brought to my attention which now makes perfect sense. I feel terrible that this oversite caused so many people grief but I am also relieved to know that the issue isnt disease related and that it can be prevented in the future. I know that doesnt change anything for those of you that lost snakes on your end but I just want people to know that there was no malicious intent in any of this.
Please read the info in the link below. It clears many things up for me. Hopefully it will be useful to you as well. Again I am So Sorry for all the Trouble I have caused.
I will continue to attempt to attach the physical text. Thank You.

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/private.php?do=showpm&pmid=1391631

 

[SDiBiasi]

Personally, I would still get your collection tested!

 

[Cat_Eyed_Lady]

It is possible but why only now? After Rich Z suggested it? I smell a scape goat. Sorry.

I call bs.

 

[SDiBiasi]

It is possible but why only now? After Rich Z suggested it? I smell a scape goat. Sorry.

I call bs.

I have read all the threads on here and the other site! I have to agree with Dee on this one!