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Info Doc Walker, reptidoc, Dr. Daryl G. Walker = buyer beware

I beleive I said all that Doc Walker. :) That it was a charity raffle and that you were kind enough to volunteer to send me back the shipping costs. Which you did do. I hold no ill will and did Not do a "bad guy" thread because as I also said, I dont think you are a 'bad guy'. I am sorry if this thread has upset you. Was not my intention. Was just a warning that you seem to be having some troubles with hatchlings and it hasnt been figured out yet. I dont think it hurts to give ppl abit of a heads up.

I have been and will continue to be polite, as I have also said in e-mails to you. Yes, I can concur with Doc Walker about the shipping box and all that. I have no complaints what so ever with how they were packaged or shipped. It is chilly in November in wisconsin. I dont recall a heat pack but they snakes did arrive alive, as I stated.

I think I stated all the true facts in my original post. I dont see where Doc disagreed with me on any point. Thank you for coming to read the thread Doc, like I asked you to do, and for your post :)
 
First, anyone who links to the other thread on Doc only the first 5 or so pages and the last 12 have any useful information. The rest is useless banter.

Doc,
Out of curiosity are the animals in question from both threads out of 3rd clutches? The reason I ask is because I've noticed in the past when triple clutching that clutches from smaller females produced neonates with a higher mortality rate (even when they did feed relatively well for me). Obviously the eggs are smaller and produced smaller hatchlings than did first and 2nd clutches. I never was able to figure out why and coincidentally just stopped triple clutching in general and rarely double clutch. This pretty much eliminated the problem for me. I've also noticed that many of those clutches had neonates that required manual assist in pipping. Of the eggs I pipped I only recall a small percentage of the animals surviving.
 
I, for one appreciate your thread. :) Good to know that he's not necessarily a bad guy, but may be having some issues with his young snakes. It helps people protect their current collection even more thoroughly-If this one ends up looking good and healthy and no problems develop I would likely have no problems buying from him in the future-of course I'd use the same quarantine method that I'll be doing with this one.
 
Thank you Angie :) That is all I was basically asking for. I hope your new snake thrives for you and has no problems what so ever. Please keep us updated when you receive it? :)
 
I would like to hear an actual response from Doc about the sheer number of hatchlings that have died in the past couple years once arriving at their new homes. I know that sometimes snakes die for no apparent reason, but the numbers are this point indicate an actual problem, not just coincidence.

How closely related are the pairs you are breeding? How closely related were their parents?
 
I dont think we will ever get an answer as to why he has so many problems with hatchlings dieing. I wonder about the exact numbers since there seems to be lots of ppl "hiding" or not saying anything even if they had problems.

What I asked Doc myself was .... Why are they so small? and Why are they so mushy feeling? I never got an answer.
 
Some brief history before I post what is on my mind. I did buy from the breeder earlier this year and lost hatchlings in mysterious ways. Yes they were tested and nothing was found, could have been because they were frozen before testing or may not have been anything to find. Yes the breeder did refund the cost of the snakes and testing. But not till after he saw who was actually helping me test the snakes and then he got all nice and helpful. No at this point I would not allow a snake from the breeder into my house. I did have a couple survive and I gave them away along with an adult from him.
Now for what is on my mind.
This keeps happening over and over and as usual posts are made and it gets away from the problem. Yes the snakes arrived alive but they were also mushy feeling and under weight. And they died in short term. Yes the OP lives in a cooler state but it gets cold here also and have snakes shipped in to me in the cold and them live and thrive. I know it is hard for someone to admit there is a problem publicly especially when they have so many snakes in thier collection and supposedly so many shipped out. I have seen both sides of a lot of people in these threads I have seen one bashed because they are not American and hence thier english is not that good, I have seen some bashed because they spoke up against the breeder, and I have seen a few of the breeders supporters change thier views after this kept happening. I also know there are others that have had this happen and they will not speak up and I respect thier right not to do so. I have talked to quite a few others from when I was dealing with this personally. And my heart goes out to you all.
One of my biggest things about the breeder is I don't trust them, When I was dealing with it and he agreed to replace the first one that died it was first take your pick of these then it was I don't have those to only see the very snakes posted for sale later on down the road.
It is time the corn and reptile community quits looking the other way and really realize there is a problem here. I have spoke my mind and now if someone wants to bash it be my guest but you all know the truth.
I would suggest anyone that does get a hatchling from the breeder to weigh them as soon as they get them and take pics and document any issues and emails with the breeder.
happy herping and best of luck to you all
 
There have been a lot of hatchling deaths. We are not simply talking 5 or 10 babies. The original thread documents a good many and there are more posted on CS.com. (I will refrain from referencing that further, those posters can come forward as they see fit.)

Bob (crotalis40741) did an amazing job documenting his case. There are vet reports, records and more. (All of this info is listed in the first thread, it's a fair few pages in.) There is something beyond simple un-thrifty babies here. If it was one clutch being affected I might be more lenient, but this is multiple clutches, over a span of time involving two seasons.

I don't care if you sold 50 babies or 500, when you have a marked percentage dropping off like flies, there is a problem somewhere.
 
Wow. I so badly hope that mine is going to be ok!!! :(
I did an online search for a male corn that would go with a young breeding group that I had to replace the current male I had wanted to use, and I found him.
 
Autumn,
I'm not taking sides on this and I did read the other thread about Doc and dieing snakes. However, it is probably more useful to all those involved to try and open a dialog in hopes of figuring out what is going on rather than starting another 52 page blast fest. The tests came back inconclusive (other thread see link on page one of this thread) which indicates there may be another problem. I have my suspicions but I will keep those to myself as I have no proof one way or the other.
 
reptilebaby said:
It gets really cold here too.
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if a snake is healthy and boxed correctly they do fine, I would not want to ship in frigid temps. My adult male came from California in the winter and it was cold but he came in fine and thrived. I also had other hatchlings come in the same time my ones from this breeder did and they thrived where his died.
Blaming weather in some cases is just a cover up and an excuse kinda like being so tired you can't function. I trucked for years and no one has a work schedule like that and we all still functioned, did our jobs, and that all meant we had to send messages, contact people and the sort.
 
I have been breeding corns for about 6 years now and I know that once in awhile you will get a hatchling that simply doesnt thrive. We all get that BUT to have possibly hundreds over atleast 2 season?? Doc really does need to do something differently if he hopes to continue selling corns.

in my years, I have had many many repeat customers because my babies are easy to handle, feed readily and grow quickly. I will not be a repeat customer for Doc Walker, sorry.

What is really going on with all these hatchlings and the tests showing nothing?? Does it speak for too close inbreeding? or as someone said too many clutchs for the females? They seem to do 'fine' til Doc sells them and then most die.
 
Doc,
I think you need to put more effort into dealing with this. I also think it's time you admit you have a problem with either your operation or your stock. You have had plenty of time to respond more in depth and have chosen not to do so, so far. To continue to ignore this will only result in more damage to your reputation and animals needlessly suffering. Time to step up. Balls in your court.
 
Pmsayi said:
First, anyone who links to the other thread on Doc only the first 5 or so pages and the last 12 have any useful information. The rest is useless banter.

Doc,
Out of curiosity are the animals in question from both threads out of 3rd clutches? The reason I ask is because I've noticed in the past when triple clutching that clutches from smaller females produced neonates with a higher mortality rate (even when they did feed relatively well for me). Obviously the eggs are smaller and produced smaller hatchlings than did first and 2nd clutches. I never was able to figure out why and coincidentally just stopped triple clutching in general and rarely double clutch. This pretty much eliminated the problem for me. I've also noticed that many of those clutches had neonates that required manual assist in pipping. Of the eggs I pipped I only recall a small percentage of the animals surviving.
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This post really adds a lot to the subject as a whole as well. Great post!

In the mad rush to breed and produce as many babies as possible, as patience in this hobby is not a virtue so common anymore, I have never in my life seen so many small babies as I have these days, especially at shows. Even though a snake CAN double clutch, what is the final outcome, and does it really serve a purpose at all? If the female is small anyways at breeding, which breeding DOES take a tremendous toll on them, she may be wore out much earlier in her life than if she was raised to a healthy size before breeding to begin with. Double and triple clutching can and does produce smaller hatchlings that, a lot of the times, do not do so well, and do not thrive as well as a first clutch baby. These thoughts are from years of myself speaking with many breeders on that subject, and my own experience. This statement is not meant to be a blanket statement for every single second or third clutch baby out there, but there is a lot of merit to what PMSayi has stated.

I myself, will NEVER buy a second clutch baby ever again. Each time I have, the snake never did as well as a first clutch. Now, even with my examples, I still know that there may be examples where some do thrive, and there is no argument from me on that. I strongly feel though that a lot of these issues with this particular thread may very well stem from the point PMSayi brought up.
 
To each is own Micheal. I won't police you, you don't worry about policing me. I've watched good people go through hard times because of this breeder. I'm glad Bob did not give up on reptile keeping because of it.

That aside, I agree with Bob. Weather is can be used as a cover up. If you truly think it is too cool ship, don't. Don't risk the life of an animal, there is no point in it.

I've waited months to have animals shipped before.
 
bloodybaroness said:
There have been a lot of hatchling deaths. We are not simply talking 5 or 10 babies. The original thread documents a good many and there are more posted on CS.com. (I will refrain from referencing that further, those posters can come forward as they see fit.)

Bob (crotalis40741) did an amazing job documenting his case. There are vet reports, records and more. (All of this info is listed in the first thread, it's a fair few pages in.) There is something beyond simple un-thrifty babies here. If it was one clutch being affected I might be more lenient, but this is multiple clutches, over a span of time involving two seasons.

I don't care if you sold 50 babies or 500, when you have a marked percentage dropping off like flies, there is a problem somewhere.
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Got same problem last year, spend $700 got 3 still alive. Other 5 died one next day passed way and other 4 two weeks later, can't work out with breeder and told lies about offer refund or replaced, he just send replace instead of ask if I want refund or replace??? but he did post on his side give me to choose refund or replace???

I was pay for high end and got replace for normal corns, he said all his stock sold out only these left for replace. But still on sale both ads CS and Fauna??? I did purchase different breeder not only him with our problem they all healthy.
 
I don't blame weather-I have had shipments in the middle of january that are still doing well to this day. I am beginning to worry after the actual health of this new baby though.
 
I was never offered replacements... even though Doc Walker did tell me that the clutch mates to the snakes he sent me are all fine. I got 3 pairs with completely dif hets so... he must have Lots of babies left yet this year?

Before anyone asks, no, I didnt ask for and wouldnt want replacements from Doc :)
 
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