Bad Guy Chad Johnson - Chadscresteds

[kkreptiles]

Thanks for clarifying everything

 

[Meg90]

So you are saying that you sold animals to CHAD JOHNSON and not Broderick Van Wyn or Susan Johnson, correct Andrew? To CHAD--and if he doesn't own Maximus, perhaps you should tell him to take that gecko off of his iHerp.

So, just to confirm, Andrew--this "Susan Johnson" he's posting on fauna under IS just another alias?

 

[SirenSanJose]

Hey guys - thought I'd hop on and make some clarifications.

Mmmk. Chad doesn't own Max or Six - and I don't appreciate people assuming that he does. I sent him Max for a breeding loan a couple months back - and he's back in my possession now and doing just dandy. I've also sold him a lot of nice geckos that weren't at all cheap (which do include a lot of Max x Six offspring). And just like everyone else I've ever sold high end stuff to - he held up his end of the bargain well and responded in a timely manner, etc. He's bought more than $3,000 worth of geckos from me - and I got all of the money just fine.

Andrew,

Thank you for clarifying! And I'm glad Max is back where he belongs with you!

I don't think people are "assuming" Chad owned Max -- but rather, it looked like Chad seemed to be trying to create the impression that he owned Max. (Has him on his iHerp page, citing him in his ads in a way that 'looks' like he owns Max, etc).

I am very glad that you did get your money for the geckos you sold Chad--while I don't want to see ANYONE get ripped off, it would be a real shame for someone with as much passion for the hobby, and quality animals, to fall victim to being ripped off.. (I do find it funny, though, that he can afford 3k of geckos and be so reluctant to reimburse $50 for a mis-sexed gecko. Heck, at that, it shocks me someone who can't sex a gecko would drop 3k on geckos!)

 

[Lacherps]

Mmmk. Chad doesn't own Max or Six - and I don't appreciate people assuming that he does

I received an interesting PM from Andrew Schnell just the other day stating that he did in fact sell Max to Chad Johnson.... This PM was a response to me posting up animals for sale in the classifieds cheaper than he had up and he apparently wasn't very happy about it

Anyways, here's the PM I received.

Seems to me as though Andrew Schnell is more interested in how valuable an animal is and how much money he can get for it rather than his credibility in the hobby.

I just left the PM alone that I received and never responded to it, as I don't enjoy wasting my time conversing with people who show such disrespect.

 

[aschnell]

Hi Andrew Gilpin. How nice of you to interject. If you want to start a bad guy thread on my personality - go for it. But at least tell the entire story first - which you certainly didn't do in this thread, and I will have to do for you. Because I take screenshots of EVERYTHING. Even things that later were deleted. So take a second and think - do you really want to start a public flame war with a ton of dirty laundry over you not liking me as a person or a hobbyist? We've never once done business together - so you have no direct influence over my business reputation as far as the BOI is concerned - since third party quotes aren't allowed here (heresay).

You have a lot of influence with a lot of people - but I'm not going to worship you just because you have connections in the herp world too. You've never been respectful towards me - and always act as if you have a sense of "entitlement" - so I in turn haven't treated you with respect. You don't show it - you don't get it.

Personally, I think you are one of the world's best photographers (I'm being 100% serious) - and that "Living Art Creations" is the perfect name for a herp hobbyist (it's a name I would use if it weren't already taken). I also like the animals you produce - and have sent business your way in the past. (I have the copies of emails to back up that claim as well).

I know that we both have solid customer reviews/satisfaction - so why would anyone want to read about a personal dispute between two well-liked people? I really don't think you understand the amount of people I could call to post positive things about me in this thread. I also don't think you understand how large the number of people who dislike you is. So ya - some people think I'm snooty and a know-it-all - but there are plenty of people who have personally told me that they think you're a total [jerk].

So neither of us is going to benefit in any way if you pursue this. I'm going to respond regarding the private message I sent to you, and the rest of your post - and then I'm going to leave it at that - and I would ask that you do the same.

 

[Meg90]

Andrew Gilpin did not embelish that post in anyway, and the POINT of it was to show that you claimed, in writing to have sold Maximus to Chad Johnson.

You have not addressed that at all? I for one would like you to clarify. Which is it? Did you sell him a MONTH ago for 1,200$ to Chad Johnson or not?

I don't think this was meant to start a "flame war" as you put it, and honestly, if you don't want words to come back to bite you, sending a PM like that in the first place shouldn't have happened. Private messages are fair game in the BOI and you can look up any thread and see that demonstrated.

Andrew Gilpin's message furthered this thread in which the sale of an animal to this shady individual was questioned.

Yet you seem to have "taken it personally" and glossed over that fact, refusing to say one way or the other who actually owns that animal at present.

 

[Ed Clark]

Andrew Schnell really showed who he is and how he speaks to people in that disturbing PM.

I'm sure he will make a good impression on future customers that way.

 

[aschnell]

I would advise everyone to reserve judgement until all of the evidence is presented. I'm working on uploading all of my screenshots / evidence as we speak. I like to be very thorough - so I'm not going to post unless what I post is coherent and comprehensive. It'll probably be another 20-30 mins before my next post - which will address many issues.

 

[Meg90]

Hopefully the "many issues" about Chad Johnson because retaliating after already sending a PM like that unprovoked really won't do anything to help you save face.

As I already stated, obviously the only reason the PM was posted was to further the issue at hand.

Making this thread all about you, as you did with the nearly one page post detailing what a nice guy you are, and yet, refusing to answer a simple question (as you did again, with this new post) isn't really relevant.

A simple yes or no would have sufficed. No one needs the details, just the confirmation that Chad Johnson does in fact, own Maximus. Or that he does not. You have stated both in writing, so which is it? Its really not that complex of a situation.

 

[aschnell]

Hopefully the "many issues" about Chad Johnson because retaliating after already sending a PM like that unprovoked really won't do anything to help you save face.

As I already stated, obviously the only reason the PM was posted was to further the issue at hand.

Making this thread all about you, as you did with the nearly one page post detailing what a nice guy you are, and yet, refusing to answer a simple question (as you did again, with this new post) isn't really relevant.

A simple yes or no would have sufficed. No one needs the details, just the confirmation that Chad Johnson does in fact, own Maximus. Or that he does not. You have stated both in writing, so which is it? Its really not that complex of a situation.

Patience angsty young grasshopper - Picasa can only upload photos at a certain rate You will have your answers soon enough. I'm a fan of doing something correctly the first time - so I'm going to make one large and coherent post so that this thread doesn't unnecessarily get 50 pages longer than it already is.

 

[aschnell]

Regarding Max - I sold him to Chad before realizing who he was. After I found out about his BOI thread - I asked him to send him back. I gave him a partial refund of what he paid - because I kept some of his payment for buying Max as money towards having "rented" Max. Last week was too cold to ship here (around freezing) - so we had agreed upon me getting Max back this Tuesday morning (because the low tomorrow night is a nice warm 48 degrees ). I will take pictures of Max next to my face and an electronic calendar on Tuesday morning when I get him back so that there is no dispute where he currently resides. That's the whole story. Below is a screenshot from a text conversation I had with Chad a few minutes ago.

Now, onto what Meg called my "unprovoked" PM to Andrew Gilpin. This was regarding an unnecessary and inflammatory section of text that Andrew Gilpin placed in an ad that he put up on Pangea - which mocked the price I was asking for the nicest pinstripe male I currently own ($1,500). Here was what he put in his ad... (it was later deleted - good thing I keep records of everything)

So - since Andrew Gilpin decided to pick on my ad out of the blue - I decided to edit the price of the animal I was selling so that it read '$1,295 shipped (except if your last name begins with "G" and ends with "ilpin" - then the price is $13,500)'. I figured that was fair since I didn't mention Andrew Gilpin specifically - nor did I include any monetary figure larger than the ones Gilpin presented in his original ad (the highest of which was $13,500). My ad was then deleted - and Andrew Gilpin's was left up. I sent the following PM to a mod on pangea asking why that was...

Andrew Gilpin's post in the trade section then eventually got edited - but not deleted like mine. Not sure why that was, but I'm sure it was my fault somehow.

Now the funny thing is that I got an email from someone who wanted to pay full price for that $1,295 pinstripe gecko while the ad was down... And we're working out a trade right now. The screenshot of that email is below... (name of sender whited out to protect identity)

So - my gecko is being sold for more than Gilpin is asking for his 10-lot of his animals. Yes Andrew - the price was high. But there are people out there who would rather have one of my geckos that 10 of yours for the same price. If you have a problem with that - I suggest not being passive aggressive and rude in public about it - but rather send me a PM so you can tell me why you think my prices are too high. I know you think ACs prices are too high - but you conveniently deleted the thread on the repashy forums in which you had a discussion with AC about that very issue - so that issue would have to be taken up from scratch if you wanted to discuss it again.

Anyway - as much as I'd love to run a gecko breeding charity - the hobby in the US doesn't work like that. So when I want to buy a pair of F1 Rhacodactylus trachyrhynchus trachycephalus - I have to shell out $4,000 for them - which requires me selling some expensive animals as well - like the gecko in that ad. Just because you don't like working with expensive animals doesn't mean that you need to project your views on everyone else. If you don't like the price - just don't buy the animal. It's that simple.

Finally - check out this last screenshot of a PM I sent Gilpin before I realized he had publicly made fun of my ad in the trade section for nothing other than a personal reason. It was perfectly civilized - and an offer to trade some of my animals for some of his - animals he said in his ad that he wanted which I happened to have (just not listed).

As a last word to Andrew Gilpin - if you decided to sell some of your breeders - they'd fetch some really high prices. I doubt you'd want to let go of any of your high-end breeders for just a couple hundred bucks... Because they're worth more to you than that - as they should be - because you have some really nice animals. Not being sarcastic either - I legitimately think you have some amazing geckos in your collection.

 

[aschnell]

I am now going to bed after spending the last 7 hours on the BOI trying to understand and clarify everything that I could. I have 8am class - but because I wanted to provide everyone with a prompt response I stayed awake to finish my post and will now only get 5 hours of sleep tonight. Lame. I probably won't check the thread again until tomorrow night - I have classes on campus all morning/afternoon tomorrow. Just an FYI.

 

[Meg90]

So the last post should probably have been what? One tiny paragraph and that pic?

You did sell him to Chad, found out what kind of person he was (did you not check the BOI before you attempted to sell one individual 3K worth of geckos?) and asked for him back. You can chalk that up to a breeding loan if it makes both parties happy. But honestly, it was more of you not wanting to look like you do business with "Bad Guys" than anything.

All the stuff about Andrew? Who cares? Its NOT relevant to this thread, the way your PM to him WAS.

You sent an email saying an animal was sold to this individual, then posted publicly that you never sold him, and that you ALREADY had him. That right there is a LIE. Again to what? Save face? Here's a quote in case your memory is spotty or you don't feel like spending the time to look back through the pages of this thread.

Mmmk. Chad doesn't own Max or Six - and I don't appreciate people assuming that he does. I sent him Max for a breeding loan a couple months back - and he's back in my possession now and doing just dandy.

Looks like, even for you're detailed records, you can't keep a story straight. Considering that you sent that PM to Andrew Gilpin saying you SOLD Max a month ago. Then posting text messages that prove that you DON'T have the fine and dandy gecko in your possession at all, and that you are still negotiating shipping and how to properly pack that gecko for his return trip.

Chad's thread IS massive and has over 35,000 views and yet you are acting like the idea that it existed was a foreign one. I don't buy it, and after Andrew's posting of how you behave in private, I wonder who else will.

It seems you are more interested in making money, and having a good rep as far as the public eye is concerned, then you are with the well being of the animals you are brokering. Bragging about past sales and prices in every single ad, and not hesitating to break forum rules to poke at a fellow hobbyist displaying nothing more than competitive pricing, not to mention sending such a rude and ridiculous PM to someone unprovoked. Atleast Andrew Gilpin had the dignity not to sully himself with a reply.

This thread is about Chad Johnson, and what a lying, scheming, thief he is. And I don't buy for one second that a seasoned seller like yourself, Andrew Schnell didn't even think to check the BOI before making such a sale. You have brought this scrutiny on yourself by doing business with someone like Chad.

 

[jerseygirl]

I'll be shocked if Max arrives on Tuesday.

 

[leftycrane]

Yikes. Nail on the head Meg. I agree 100%.

 

[skinwrappedbox]

I have a lot of mixed feelings about Chad and this whole entire storm of nonsense, so I'm going to try to keep this short.

1.) Regardless of who Chad is or what he did if he paid in full for Max, you really don't have any right to ask for him back once you realized who he was. If he's paid for a gecko and received it, then its his. Its nice of Chad to say "Yeah, sure I'll send him back/ treat it as a breeder loan" but as much as I hate to say it there was really no reason for him to have to give the gecko back to you unless he had not paid in full (which you don't seem like the kind to ship out an expensive animal like that without payment in full.)
If no more money has exchanged hands, he still pretty much has all the right to keep him. Sure he's said he'll send him back but.. I mean you read the thread.. He says a lot of things as a lot of people.


2.) I hope you haven't sent him any money back because I seriously doubt you'll see Max again. But then you know, he may decide for once in his life to get his shit straight and ship a gecko the first time he promises. That would be a sight to see!

I hope things work out for you Andrew, but I have a feeling you'll probably be dealing with Chad for a while to come.

 

[Jaybee]

I hope things work out for you Andrew, but I have a feeling you'll probably be dealing with Chad for a while to come.

If all (some?) of this is true, this would, however, be an excellent time for Chad to make a deal right in a very public eye, with him coming out smelling like roses when he didn't have to honor an agreement.

 

[kkreptiles]

This should be an interesting 24hrs...

 

[skinwrappedbox]

If all (some?) of this is true, this would, however, be an excellent time for Chad to make a deal right in a very public eye, with him coming out smelling like roses when he didn't have to honor an agreement.

Exactly, though from his very irratic behavior (why not fix your first mistake instead of making two aliases!) I doubt he'd win over any fans other than Andrew! He would need to undertake a huge PR campaign

(And sorry all, I let a bad word slip and didn't re-read enough times to catch it earlier!)

 

[lauraleellbp]

OK, so in sifting through all the drama ack2, I'm taking from this that Andrew DID in fact sell Max to Chad.

So that means that Ggwherps/Susan Johnson (which as of earlier today at least) still has Max listed as part of their iHerp collection is either Chad or someone closely associated with Chad.

Which also means that Susan Johnson/Ggwherps is about to be banned from Fauna yet again.

Chad- give up, you continue to just dig your hole deeper and deeper with all your various IDs and other shady tactics.

[I'm beyond glad now that I already got my own Max x Six baby before all this started, and still beyond disgusted that such nice pinners ended up drug through all this filth.]