Bad Guy Chad Johnson - Chadscresteds

[lauraleellbp]

OK I just read through this last page again.

I DO find it disturbing that Andrew first of all claimed Max was already back in his possession and "doing quite well." And then changed the story significantly. That's not sitting well with me.

And I went back and looked at Ggwherp's iHerp. Chad has removed Max from his collection at this point, but he still shows up as his Avatar. I took some screenshots, just to document:

Here's Chad's "door" (notice that he does not even bother denying this time around that he's Chad, he knows he's caught. )

And here's the updated collection page- where he's already removed Max and Six apparently sometime today. (I've got a lengthy file going on Chad at this point and saved every single picture posted up here to date, in case anyone ever needs to compare against a gecko they find somewhere for sale- feel free to PM me.)

 

[jerseygirl]

So that means that Ggwherps/Susan Johnson (which as of earlier today at least) still has Max listed as part of their iHerp collection is either Chad or someone closely associated with Chad.

Susan Johnson is Chads mother.

 

[Spyral]

I wonder if Mark at Northern Gecko gave him permission to use his photos? Tosha is from NG, pic taken right from the website it looks like. Also thanks "CJ" next to the sold info. Some of his other gecko pics look like NG photos, the birch branches are a classic Northern Gecko touch.

 

[lauraleellbp]

It blows my mind that Chad is still purchasing high end geckos and trying to sell them to the same online community. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot... repeatedly.

His Ggwherps and Susan Johnson IDs have been banned here on Fauna now.

 

[Ed Clark]

I'll be shocked if Max arrives on Tuesday.

Ditto!!

 

[Ed Clark]

If all (some?) of this is true, this would, however, be an excellent time for Chad to make a deal right in a very public eye, with him coming out smelling like roses when he didn't have to honor an agreement.

He certainly would be coming out smelling like roses considering he paid $1200.00 for a crestie he could buy for around $250.00

Chad send the crestie back,then smell the roses!

 

[lauraleellbp]

Apparently Chad has been active under several different Susan Johnson accounts as well:

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=269062&highlight=Ymcb7

Polasian just told me that the Ymcb7 account was listed to Susan Johnson and has been banned along with the Susanjohnson account from the ad in Meg's earlier post.

Hey Ansli- since you're the OP, you think you could tag all these names on this thread so they show up more quickly when people do BOI searches?

 

[lauraleellbp]

His Ggwherps and Susan Johnson IDs have been banned here on Fauna now.

Oh I forgot part- he also corrected me that there has never been a Ggwherps Fauna account.

 

[aschnell]

I just got home after a long day of class/studying on campus. This is the first chance I've had to look at this thread today (which I stated last night would probably be the case). I'm going to post a partial response now and will post another partial response later tonight or tomorrow morning. I have a life and responsibilities - so I'm not able to respond as quickly and as thoroughly as I'd like to most the time. I apologize in advance if it appears I'm "avoiding" any issues. I can assure you I'll deal with everything eventually.

Meg & Ed - you have earned yourselves my distinct and undivided attention - and I hope you're both feeling up to seeing this whole thing through. Neither of you have ever done business with me - and neither of you know me as a person or a breeder. I therefore am of the opinion that both of you seem to enjoy berating people who you know only the slightest bit of information about - even people who you don't directly have a bone to pick with. The BOI is a serious place to be posting - and it's clear that neither of you have a full and complete understanding of how much damage you can do to people's reputations by making threads unnecessarily long and arduous to sift through. Nobody looking someone up on the BOI wants to spend hours reading through hundreds of posts just to find out if someone is a decent person or not.

After reading everything - the main issue everyone seems to have is the sentence below... (Meg seemed to get really upset about this in particular)

Mmmk. Chad doesn't own Max or Six - and I don't appreciate people assuming that he does. I sent him Max for a breeding loan a couple months back - and he's back in my possession now and doing just dandy.

I did originally sell Max to Chad. When I found out that everyone was all hot and bothered about him owning Max - I told Chad I wanted to buy Max back. I didn't tell everyone that originally - nor did I deny it. That was just part of the transaction I didn't really think was relevant until after Andrew Gilpin made his post. I refunded Chad most of the money he paid for Max - but not all of it (since after all he did have Max in his care and was therefore able to breed him to a few of his females). I got the tracking number from Chad this afternoon and expect to receive Max tomorrow morning no problemo.

Now - onto the intricacies of the English language that Meg & Ed seem unable to understand.

pos·ses·sion [puh-zesh-uhn]
noun
1. the act or fact of possessing.
2. the state of being possessed.
3. ownership.

I said that Chad didn't own Max - and that I had him in my possession - I didn't say I had Max in my care. The latter would have indicated that Max was here at my house in Portland, Oregon - and not in Los Angeles, California. But notice how I said that I had him in my possession - and that the first use of a word to define the meaning of "possession" (which didn't stem from the word possession itself) was ownership. Fascinating. And since I issued Chad his partial refund for the purchase of Max - Max had therefore already passed back into my ownership. So at this point - I owned/possessed Max - Chad had Max in his care - and Chad had told me that Max was doing just fine. I re-stated this to everyone else in the quoted section above. So - I expect to have Max back in my care tomorrow, even though Max is already back in my possession.

Details and technicalities aside - was my original statement about Max misleading? Probably, yes. Was my original statement about Max a LIE? Not in the slightest. But tomorrow morning when I (will probably) receive Max in the mail - this is all going to be a moot point anyway.

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Now on to a post Ed made which I took issue with...

Breeder? you are some what confused.

Andrew bought Max from AC then flipped him to Chad for a huge profit, then he lied about it.

First off - you know almost nothing about me Ed. I currently have in my possession (and care ) every species in the Rhacodactylus genus...
-Rhacodactylus auriculatus
-Rhacodactylus chahoua
-Rhacodactylus ciliatus
-Rhacodactylus leachianus
-Rhacodactylus sarasinorum
-Rhacodactylus trachyrhynchus
- and I breed all 6 of the 6 total species. So I think you're the one who's confused Ed. How would you like it if I put up a post in the BOI leading people to believe that you don't breed Bearded Dragons? I bet you wouldn't appreciate it - that's for sure. But I'm not going to stoop to your level and do something like that - because the BOI is way more serious than you seem to think it is. You should have also read everything in this thread through a bit more thoroughly, because I had stated earlier in this thread that I bought Max directly from Ryan and not from AC...

Just so everyone knows - the only reason Ryan even sold Max to me in the first place was because I'd been by far his best customer over the last few years - and spent over $10,000 with him during that time.

So if I were playing by your rules - I would now make about 8 posts saying "Ed Lied! Ed Lied!" - because that's exactly what you did (as I just showed). But I said it once - and that's enough. I don't need to make 8 more posts to reinforce my point...

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Now on to another post Ed made...

He certainly would be coming out smelling like roses considering he paid $1200.00 for a crestie he could buy for around $250.00

Chad send the crestie back,then smell the roses!

Well Ed - that is your opinion. And unfortunately your opinion has absolutely no bearing on the actual market value of the animal (Max in this case) - because you did not take part in the transaction. I don't mark snarky opinion comments about what I think your Bearded Dragon's are worth - because frankly I wouldn't have much of an informed opinion on the prices of your animals - just like you don't have much of an experience based opinion on the prices I can sell my animals for. So I would appreciate it in the future if you would avoid making condescending and trivial comments about the value of animals that aren't within your realm of expertise.

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If Andrew Gilpin actually just wanted to bring up something relevant to this thread - all he had to post was one sentence out of that entire private message - but instead he posted the entire thing - which had to do with much more than business I conducted with Chad. The disrespect I showed Andrew Gilpin in that PM has to do with sooooo much more than anyone here even knows. And it's personal. It is for that reason that I am of the opinion that Andrew Gilpin really didn't care too much about what was going on in this thread as he did about "getting even". You crossed a line Andrew Gilpin. I have NEVER taken anyone to the BOI over a personal dispute OR a business dispute. Respected breeders in general almost never take business issues to the BOI - because they know how much damage it can to to someone's reputation. The fact that you made a a direct attack on my personal reputation in the BOI reflects how low you are willing to stoop to have the last word / put the other person down. Even if you sent me a PM a thousand times ruder than the one I sent you - I would never have dragged your name through the mud on the BOI. Never. Just because you're allowed to do something doesn't mean you should. I'm allowed to ruin people's reputations here - just like you are - but the difference is that I don't.

 

[Meg90]

Andrew, you can post definitions to words and start talking technicalities but its plain to see what this is REALLY about. You wanted to look like a good guy, saving that poor gecko from being owned by such a bad guy.

I don't buy it, and I WON'T buy it no matter how you spin it. This thread has thousands of views. Anybody making a sale for 3,000$ would search the BOI before they went through with that, to check that the other party was legit, and had no black marks on their name to ensure that payment is made that's just common sense.

It would have served you right if Chad Johnson, bad guy that he is, decided to keep him. The transaction was finished. You get to hold on to some shred of your "good name" because Chad has decided to play along and send him back.

You are a liar, whether you do it by withholding information, or twisting the truth so that it suits your needs.

I hope this is an eye-opener for people. I'm glad your full name is in this thread Andrew Schnell, and I hope this thread pops up when people search you here. If your reputation suffers its no ones fault but your own. No one embellished a single WORD that you posted. Not one word. Oh, and FYI I know what damage a BOI post can do, why do you think I (or anyone else) post here?

 

[lauraleellbp]

Andrew- this is meant as sincere advice- you aren't helping yourself here. Not a bit of your last post has anything to do with anything in regards to the actual topic of this thread.

I do hope that the geckos you're expecting actually arrive safe and sound. (For their own sakes, as personally Chad's reputation is beyond saving in my own book.)

 

[kkreptiles]

Post removed - this account is being used by another party (confirmed by the account) - and is in violation of the full name rule.
hhmoore

 

[skinwrappedbox]

I don't really understand how or why it matters who owns Max.

Andrew, in all honesty the language you used suggested that you literally currently owned and had Max in your possession.

But who cares who owns Max? He's just another gecko in all honesty. This was about the fact that Chad decided to create yet another alias for himself.

If people want to post about good transactions they've had with the guy then fine, but this thread isn't about who owns what specific gecko. Chad can blow $100,000 on a crested gecko I don't care, it doesn't change the fact that he is a very risky person to do business with.

I don't care about all these little gecko games behind curtains. It is incredibly irrelevant to the topic.

Andrew, I'd love it if you get Max back in your physical possession. Please post an unboxing photo if you get a chance.

 

[Camby]

I sometimes suffer from insomnia, luckily though, I have waited til bed time each of the last few nights and started reading the additional posts to this thread each day and I think it cures me on a nightly basis.

This thread has become a major dramatic production dfjii^&$5%&^% Sorry, I dozed off again

I am off to bed and look forward to more riveting who owns who and who lied to who and who got whom pregnant, oops, sorry, that last one was the day time drama on TV....At this point, I am sure Chad is a terrible guy for ripping people off, but one of his aliases or a close acquaintance or someone wholy unrelated (to confused at this point) was guilted into sending a gecko to someone who had been reimbursed already, so now that person has two geckos one of which she didn't pay for. AND now some one else is being hounded because he didn't own a gecko when he said he owned it but now does but maybe he won't if it doesn't show up tomorrow but even if it does, he did sell it but later changed it to a breeder loan to save face BUT (another one) he botched that attempt and now he should be tarred and feathered or at a minimum stop selling Geckos until Max is returned and he correctly states how this really wents down (long deep breath) and probably should get rid of his collection too because he is a bad guy now.

Did I sum that all up right? I hope like Hades this is continuing into the holidays. This reading and a big Thanksgiving dinner will knock me right out

dc

 

[Ed Clark]

I just got home after a long day of class/studying on campus. This is the first chance I've had to look at this thread today (which I stated last night would probably be the case). I'm going to post a partial response now and will post another partial response later tonight or tomorrow morning. I have a life and responsibilities - so I'm not able to respond as quickly and as thoroughly as I'd like to most the time. I apologize in advance if it appears I'm "avoiding" any issues. I can assure you I'll deal with everything eventually.

Meg & Ed - you have earned yourselves my distinct and undivided attention - and I hope you're both feeling up to seeing this whole thing through. Neither of you have ever done business with me - and neither of you know me as a person or a breeder. I therefore am of the opinion that both of you seem to enjoy berating people who you know only the slightest bit of information about - even people who you don't directly have a bone to pick with. The BOI is a serious place to be posting - and it's clear that neither of you have a full and complete understanding of how much damage you can do to people's reputations by making threads unnecessarily long and arduous to sift through. Nobody looking someone up on the BOI wants to spend hours reading through hundreds of posts just to find out if someone is a decent person or not.

After reading everything - the main issue everyone seems to have is the sentence below... (Meg seemed to get really upset about this in particular)


I did originally sell Max to Chad. When I found out that everyone was all hot and bothered about him owning Max - I told Chad I wanted to buy Max back. I didn't tell everyone that originally - nor did I deny it. That was just part of the transaction I didn't really think was relevant until after Andrew Gilpin made his post. I refunded Chad most of the money he paid for Max - but not all of it (since after all he did have Max in his care and was therefore able to breed him to a few of his females). I got the tracking number from Chad this afternoon and expect to receive Max tomorrow morning no problemo.

Now - onto the intricacies of the English language that Meg & Ed seem unable to understand.

pos·ses·sion [puh-zesh-uhn]
noun
1. the act or fact of possessing.
2. the state of being possessed.
3. ownership.

I said that Chad didn't own Max - and that I had him in my possession - I didn't say I had Max in my care. The latter would have indicated that Max was here at my house in Portland, Oregon - and not in Los Angeles, California. But notice how I said that I had him in my possession - and that the first use of a word to define the meaning of "possession" (which didn't stem from the word possession itself) was ownership. Fascinating. And since I issued Chad his partial refund for the purchase of Max - Max had therefore already passed back into my ownership. So at this point - I owned/possessed Max - Chad had Max in his care - and Chad had told me that Max was doing just fine. I re-stated this to everyone else in the quoted section above. So - I expect to have Max back in my care tomorrow, even though Max is already back in my possession.

Details and technicalities aside - was my original statement about Max misleading? Probably, yes. Was my original statement about Max a LIE? Not in the slightest. But tomorrow morning when I (will probably) receive Max in the mail - this is all going to be a moot point anyway.

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Now on to a post Ed made which I took issue with...


First off - you know almost nothing about me Ed. I currently have in my possession (and care ) every species in the Rhacodactylus genus...
-Rhacodactylus auriculatus
-Rhacodactylus chahoua
-Rhacodactylus ciliatus
-Rhacodactylus leachianus
-Rhacodactylus sarasinorum
-Rhacodactylus trachyrhynchus
- and I breed all 6 of the 6 total species. So I think you're the one who's confused Ed. How would you like it if I put up a post in the BOI leading people to believe that you don't breed Bearded Dragons? I bet you wouldn't appreciate it - that's for sure. But I'm not going to stoop to your level and do something like that - because the BOI is way more serious than you seem to think it is. You should have also read everything in this thread through a bit more thoroughly, because I had stated earlier in this thread that I bought Max directly from Ryan and not from AC...



So if I were playing by your rules - I would now make about 8 posts saying "Ed Lied! Ed Lied!" - because that's exactly what you did (as I just showed). But I said it once - and that's enough. I don't need to make 8 more posts to reinforce my point...

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Now on to another post Ed made...



Well Ed - that is your opinion. And unfortunately your opinion has absolutely no bearing on the actual market value of the animal (Max in this case) - because you did not take part in the transaction. I don't mark snarky opinion comments about what I think your Bearded Dragon's are worth - because frankly I wouldn't have much of an informed opinion on the prices of your animals - just like you don't have much of an experience based opinion on the prices I can sell my animals for. So I would appreciate it in the future if you would avoid making condescending and trivial comments about the value of animals that aren't within your realm of expertise.

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If Andrew Gilpin actually just wanted to bring up something relevant to this thread - all he had to post was one sentence out of that entire private message - but instead he posted the entire thing - which had to do with much more than business I conducted with Chad. The disrespect I showed Andrew Gilpin in that PM has to do with sooooo much more than anyone here even knows. And it's personal. It is for that reason that I am of the opinion that Andrew Gilpin really didn't care too much about what was going on in this thread as he did about "getting even". You crossed a line Andrew Gilpin. I have NEVER taken anyone to the BOI over a personal dispute OR a business dispute. Respected breeders in general almost never take business issues to the BOI - because they know how much damage it can to to someone's reputation. The fact that you made a a direct attack on my personal reputation in the BOI reflects how low you are willing to stoop to have the last word / put the other person down. Even if you sent me a PM a thousand times ruder than the one I sent you - I would never have dragged your name through the mud on the BOI. Never. Just because you're allowed to do something doesn't mean you should. I'm allowed to ruin people's reputations here - just like you are - but the difference is that I don't.

Andrew I was going to go on with a long winded post here.

You have a way with words, by that I mean twisting them to suit the circumstances.

That part about you owned Max then made a deal to buy him back then labeled it a breeding loan so it looks like maybe you were not caught in a lie. that was classic back peddling to say the least.

I do hope Chad sends Max back to you.

 

[xPantherx]

I hope this is an eye-opener for people. I'm glad your full name is in this thread Andrew Schnell, and I hope this thread pops up when people search you here. If your reputation suffers its no ones fault but your own. No one embellished a single WORD that you posted. Not one word. Oh, and FYI I know what damage a BOI post can do, why do you think I (or anyone else) post here?

This should really be in it's own thread, it has no bearing what so ever being in Chad Johnson's thread. Additionally, without any experience dealing with Andrew, I do not think either you, Meg, or anyone else can make claims about his character.

I hope this thread can stay on topic now. If you have issues with Andrew, his Good Guy thread is up.

 

[radera5]

Andrew, you can post definitions to words and start talking technicalities but its plain to see what this is REALLY about. You wanted to look like a good guy, saving that poor gecko from being owned by such a bad guy.

I don't buy it, and I WON'T buy it no matter how you spin it. This thread has thousands of views. Anybody making a sale for 3,000$ would search the BOI before they went through with that, to check that the other party was legit, and had no black marks on their name to ensure that payment is made that's just common sense.

It would have served you right if Chad Johnson, bad guy that he is, decided to keep him. The transaction was finished. You get to hold on to some shred of your "good name" because Chad has decided to play along and send him back.

You are a liar, whether you do it by withholding information, or twisting the truth so that it suits your needs.

I hope this is an eye-opener for people. I'm glad your full name is in this thread Andrew Schnell, and I hope this thread pops up when people search you here. If your reputation suffers its no ones fault but your own. No one embellished a single WORD that you posted. Not one word. Oh, and FYI I know what damage a BOI post can do, why do you think I (or anyone else) post here?

Anybody? That's a crock!

I have never checked the BOI about a potential CUSTOMER. The BOI is here to protect people from being ripped off right?
It is a bit hard to be ripped off as a SELLER when you receive FULL payment before you ship anything.

I am not seeing Andrew as a bag guy here. Give me a break.
People can claim he lied and twisted words for his own benefit but the fact is he DID show definitions that technically cleared him of that.

I get that YOU might not buy it....but I do. I guess that's what's good about all this, we make our own decisions. I will gladly be buying some amazing animals from Andrew in the future.

 

[that_girl]

Maximus is clearly a very famous gecko, that most people who are serious in the gecko hobby know about, and a good portion of the gecko people covet offspring from.

What's come to light here now, is that it's possible to see someone other than Andrew Schnell claiming to have Maximus babies, and we know that person will be Chad Johnson, who clearly is not someone to do business with, based on everything that's happened in this thread.

So if you see someone trying to pawn a Maximus offspring who is NOT Andrew Schnell, then obviously it's time to run away. If you want a legit Maximus offspring, you'll have to buy it from Schnell.

 

[skinwrappedbox]

I sometimes suffer from insomnia, luckily though, I have waited til bed time each of the last few nights and started reading the additional posts to this thread each day and I think it cures me on a nightly basis.

This thread has become a major dramatic production dfjii^&$5%&^% Sorry, I dozed off again

I am off to bed and look forward to more riveting who owns who and who lied to who and who got whom pregnant, oops, sorry, that last one was the day time drama on TV....At this point, I am sure Chad is a terrible guy for ripping people off, but one of his aliases or a close acquaintance or someone wholy unrelated (to confused at this point) was guilted into sending a gecko to someone who had been reimbursed already, so now that person has two geckos one of which she didn't pay for. AND now some one else is being hounded because he didn't own a gecko when he said he owned it but now does but maybe he won't if it doesn't show up tomorrow but even if it does, he did sell it but later changed it to a breeder loan to save face BUT (another one) he botched that attempt and now he should be tarred and feathered or at a minimum stop selling Geckos until Max is returned and he correctly states how this really wents down (long deep breath) and probably should get rid of his collection too because he is a bad guy now.

Did I sum that all up right? I hope like Hades this is continuing into the holidays. This reading and a big Thanksgiving dinner will knock me right out

dc

Thank God you took the time to read the entire thread and contribute nothing! Its super awesome that you feel Chad should be vindicated for having sent Tara the wrong gecko (his fault) and then being so terribly coerced into sending her the gecko she paid for when really in the beginning she just wanted either her money back or the right gecko!

No one is saying any of that about Andrew. But when you bust up into a BOI thread, drag in all your own personal nonsense and make something about a guy who uses MULTIPLE aliases (4 that we know of so far) and screws people out of their money every single time about yourself, it does frustrate and anger some people.

But please, I love to hear more unhelpful nonsense in this thread!

 

[lauraleellbp]

I suspect that Andrew is going to such lengths to distance himself from Chad as being a known business associate of Chads at this point is very likely to damage anyone who is into crested geckos. Especially high end crested geckos which typically need to be sold online. I find it understandable that Andrew is feeling the need to defend his reputation... though IMO he's not going about that in a very productive manner.

Yet at the same time, Chad was (is?) still a customer, and Andrew is stuck in a situation where he has to rely on Chad to return some very valuable geckos.

It's not a situation I would want to be in, especially given the track record Chad has repeated now across THREE different IDs (Chad Johnson, Broderick Van Wyn, and Ymcb7).