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F2 Dunners!

I think, when I sold those very first ones to you and Steven, we were calling the "Stripes"...but yes, there is a whole lot more going on! How about "Dunnerstriperspottedweirdscalecirlclebelly"...did I miss anything?
 
dden said:
Sandfire does not even have a single one.
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Not any more they don't. Ive been told that one of the worker's there said the first one ever WAS produced there.



dden said:
They were first produced at my facility in 2010 from my Blood Dragon line.
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Refer to the above statement.

Just an FYI.
Bob had been told a while ago about the "original" "Dunners". He knows where the original dragon came from.

I may be wrong here but I doubt it.
 
I'm confused... I thought that Sandfire Ranch and Dragon's Den merged back in 2006?

Kingsnake.com
Kevin Dunne
Bearded Dragons
February 28, 2006

PHFaust: On behalf of Jeff Barringer and all of us at kingsnake.com, I'm very pleased to welcome Kevin Dunne to our Eighth Annual Chat Week.

PHFaust: Kevin Dunne is the owner of Dragon's Den Herpeteculture. One of the leaders of the Bearded Dragon industry. Dragon's Den Herpetoculture was started in 1993, in Santa Barbara, Ca., as a home-operated business. In 1998 we relocated to the Los Angeles area and now they are located in San Diego at a 7 Acre Farm. Dragon's Den recently merged Sandfire Dragon Ranch to expand their collective bloodlines.
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Regardless, if Kevin Dunne himself is saying they are his, I am inclined to believe him. :)
 
JimD said:
Not any more they don't. Ive been told that one of the worker's there said the first one ever WAS produced there.





Refer to the above statement.

Just an FYI.
Bob had been told a while ago about the "original" "Dunners". He knows where the original dragon came from.

I may be wrong here but I doubt it.
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That's funny because I spoke to Bob about them a few weeks ago and he had never even heard of them. Regardless, when I moved to Sandfire, several years ago, all of my breeding colonies came with me so, if any were produced there, they were probably from my Blood Dragons...which were just selectively bred from Sandfire dragons 10 years earlier.
 
...or I should have said "possibly" instead of "probably". I do know that the first time I saw them was 2 years ago, when they hatched from a group of Bloods, none of which were exhibiting the trait. I'm not an egomaniac, so I don't really care, but they did make breeding dragons exciting again for me...sure hope somebody proves it out & produces a "super".
 
Hypo-Blood Dunner!
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This one is pretty cool...
I'm open to offers!
 
Jela's Phat Phibs said:
If my memory serves me correct, I believe that Steven (BloodBank Dragons) was the first to produce F2's and had them available in May of this year. The offspring were possible hets for hypo.

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=247556

Then in July, CJ (DNA Dragons) produced the first Hypo Dunners as well as the first double hets (hypo & trans).

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=271027

Then, just last month, Steven produced the first Hypo Leather and Leather Dunners. His are 6 1/2 weeks old at the moment.

Just wanting to give credit where credit is due...
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After a lengthy conversation with Steven this evening I wanted to correct my original posting above. All info is correct aside from "F" designations.

Steven was the first to produce F3's this past Spring. I had originally stated that he produced F2's however I learned this evening that his first offspring derived from 2nd generation Dunner's purchased from Kevin.

This would make CJ's clutch (DNA Dragons) F3's also as his babies also derived from a 2nd generation Dunner that he purchased from Steven.

I think that now brings us up to speed :yesnod:
 
So is there any new or pertinent information about this morph? Are they strong and do they thrive in captivity? Has it been determined if there is a "super form yet? I'm considering investing in some but am still on the fence about these. Any insight would be greatly appreciated!
 
KelliH said:
So is there any new or pertinent information about this morph? Are they strong and do they thrive in captivity? Has it been determined if there is a "super form yet? I'm considering investing in some but am still on the fence about these. Any insight would be greatly appreciated!
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By far (in my opinion) the coolest thing going in the dragon world at the moment!! These things just have to be experienced in person to be appreciated. They are just beastly and knarly with their huge feet and hands and their crazy scalation.

Outcrossing is definitely proving beneficial to the morph thus far.

No attempts at a super yet as the few that are working with the morph feel it's too soon and we don't want to compromise genetics/health.
 
mikepanzarella said:
thats a good question i would also like to know what makes a dunner
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CJ (DNA Dragons) already touched on this earlier in the thread. Per CJ's earlier post...

"A dunner is a mutation, not a combination of two mutations. It started with one single animal with a glitch in it's DNA that made it look different (striping of tail, odd scalation), and from there, the same differences passed onto it's offspring. It is a proven-dominate mutation."
 
yeah i was on page 2 when i posted that thought i was on page 4 lol my mistake but i still dont see dunner listed at a morph guess its still too new
thanks
 
As has already been stated, these guys are absolutely amazing and don't act any different than any other dragon! I can't wait to see what the future holds for the "dunner" morph! :D
 
Im not a fan of the leather dunners. Not only is the pattern cool but im all about the scale formation this is going to be an amazing thing to see if supers are possable. I myself am intrerested in trans dunners.:thumbsup:
 
dunner

so its not 2 of a certain dragon its of a mutation or something gone wrong in a gene that makes it a dunner and how would i know if its a dunner does the striping of the tail happen everytime or are there cases where something else makes it a dunner
 
carlriech said:
so its not 2 of a certain dragon its of a mutation or something gone wrong in a gene that makes it a dunner and how would i know if its a dunner does the striping of the tail happen everytime or are there cases where something else makes it a dunner
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Nothing went wrong, animals change naturally over time, new mutations occur to ensure the survival of a specie. When they happen in captivity, we call it a mutation, in the wild, its "rapid" evolution at the mercy of natural selection.

The pattern is variable, from dragon to dragon, and dunner to dunner. Some dunners have stripes, some have dashes, and some have circles. Who knows what else is in store?
 
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