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new boa has mites

But at the same time,there's no BAD proof on using the Equate yet.It has been used long enough now that we should of heard about it.Same thing with that Reptile relief.That's seems to work ok from a lot of readings.
Although i do know that the Equate could take more years to be proven as useful for reptiles and no more harmful then the chemicals that Pam use's . We put the Equate on our heads.
Not me personally,buts it's used on millions of people.

I'm in no way against Pam,but if he cannot get that for whatever reason,theres others to use that have been proven to work well.
Just more options i guess.There's a list of stuff that people have been using,not saying its good.
 
I honestly would not use a product that isn't labeled for use on animals nor provides instructions on how to use on animals. Many people use the other treatments and use it successfully, although, their practices vary. Saving a few dollars will not justify losing part of, or all of my collection.

I'm not really sure what mites can or cannot climb, but at this point it's probably best to assume they have super powers and can do everything. Until your first treatment, I would address that snake/room LAST. Wash in between snakes, make sure they are far away, conceal the room the best you can. If you want to use lice bedding spray, the best time to would be on your carpets AROUND the snake enclosure and on any rack/stand in which the reptile will not come into contact. This would help reduce spread.

I would see the vet in regards to the impaction, prolapse, whatever it is. Most of the time, if you don't know what's going on, it's probably best to seek a vet. Any home remedies could perpetuate the situation. Other than a clean sterile enviornment and maybe a warm soak, there isn't much I would personally try until I saw a vet.
 
allreptiles1966 said:
But at the same time,there's no BAD proof on using the Equate yet.It has been used long enough now that we should of heard about it.Same thing with that Reptile relief.That's seems to work ok from a lot of readings.
Although i do know that the Equate could take more years to be proven as useful for reptiles and no more harmful then the chemicals that Pam use's . We put the Equate on our heads.
Not me personally,buts it's used on millions of people.

I'm in no way against Pam,but if he cannot get that for whatever reason,theres others to use that have been proven to work well.
Just more options i guess.There's a list of stuff that people have been using,not saying its good.
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My biggest problem with NIX/equate, isn't the fact that there isn't any proof that it is bad, but in inexperienced hands, it can be a deadly weapon to snakes.

Not everything on the internet is true and I think that leaks over to others experiences and practices, which is your only source on how to use NIX and Equate on animals. I know people that have killed snakes with both PAM and Equate ... both products are deadly and they will blame it on the product. I've had a person tell me that Equate was safer than PAM because they killed a snake with PAM.

In experienced hands, the other brands could be safe, but I want a product that has been tested and successfully used on reptiles by everyone in the field. When making a recommendation for someone that has never used any mite product, I will recommend one that will give them proper and safe instructions by the person that puts their name on the product. I don't want to be the guy that helped some kid kill his collection (not a strike at you).
 
I get it totally Nick.
I just said what was passed onto me and it worked well.It really wasn't about saving $5-$10 It was convenience!
Wal Mart was 1 mile away and no shipping wait.Needed to rid the boa of the mites.Alot of mites.And it was 1 boa.Not that amount matters.But not a whole collection to deal with and all the hard work and money involved in some of what some people have.
 
Focal said:
I'm not really sure what mites can or cannot climb, but at this point it's probably best to assume they have super powers and can do everything.
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I heard that mites can be carried on air currents as well.. but I don't know if that is true. they are nasty buggers that's for sure
 
Mites can climb, they just cannot jump. Even without jumping, they are obnoxiously determined travelers.

I never had mites until I moved to Florida.

In one year I had to battle them twice when no new animals even came in. I assume they were brought in going back and forth to the pet store for feeders before I began ordering them in bulk online.

Either way ... I used the RID method as I had on rescues in the past. It only worked for a few months, then the mites exploded again.

On the advice of others, I got PAM, used it and the problem never returned.

As a procautionary method against mites, because they cannot jump ... I put a thin layer of vaseline on some of my enclosures, primarily, the quarantine tanks I use. Mites will get stuck in the vaseline is trying to escape or enter the cage in most cases and it helps isolate it further.

As for the possible impaction, soak the boa in warm water for an hour or so and see if that helps remove it. If not, he needs to go to the vet.
 
ShadowAceD said:
As a procautionary method against mites, because they cannot jump ... I put a thin layer of vaseline on some of my enclosures, primarily, the quarantine tanks I use. Mites will get stuck in the vaseline is trying to escape or enter the cage in most cases and it helps isolate it further.
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That's an awesome idea! Thanks for sharing.
 
mxracer4life said:
That's an awesome idea! Thanks for sharing.
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Served me well.

I should clarify though ... the vaseline should be at the points of potential entry, not everywhere. And you just smear it on with your finger. It stays for a long time before needing a new layer.
 
yeah the impactation looks like dryed fecal but its too small hes less then 24 inches hard to really tell what it is i will try to soak if that doesnt work have to take a vet trip
im not that new to reptiles ive had them all my life just never kept as many or collected them as ive started to over the last year this is the 1st time ive even seen a mite i knew what they were and looked like cause i spent/spend alot of time reading up on all the problems and proper housing for the reptiles and im still working on it
but i love the vaseline idea that is great im going to do that now
its going to take a few days for the pam to be ordered so im going to use the lice removal for the snake and just dump the cage
the best way i can think of not to over use was the idea of putting it on my hands and wiping the snake down let them sit for a few mins then soak them for an hour
this years be very good and bad had to deal with RI on one of my snakes cause i had improper housing and wasnt alot of humidity and had one dragon die this was and wasnt my fault i had the dragon 3 weeks but i went away for 2 weeks when i 1st got her but any dragon that dies in 3 weeks had something wrong with it before hand i know my dragon set ups are set the way they should be
the snakes i didnt use a snake rack they were in a fishtank and i tryed something i breeder told me to do funny the snake that got sick was the one i got from him 2 weeks after i got him i noticed the wheezing the other 11 ball pythons i had no problems but after that i sold off all but 2 ball pythons
so now i have 12 dragons 2 ball pythons 3 red tails
most of my dragons are in the mid 3-400 gram range my spider male is 1500 grams and my reg female is 2k grams the 3 red tails are hatchlings all around 2ft
i also breed rats dubai and trying to breed crickets (they go so fast)
 
I wouldn't put the lice removal on the snake! Its for the cage. Reptile relief can be put on the snake.
If using the spray ones.
 
Folks wonder why information doesn't come when requested?
Its shunned at every turn when its presented as quoted/proven advise from folks well advanced from internet spoon feeding.

In the last 5 yrs we as a hobby have lost 5 very long term pioneers(if you will) of the hobby.
They like those like minded that(for whatever reason) attempt to "PASS ON"
are now met at every turn with a trendy option as a solution to everything.
Wonder why herp forums now move at the rates and redundancies they do?

Socialism knows no boundaries
 
well good news and bad news the mites seems to be gone i know its to early to get really happy hes really hard to see them hes a grey red tail and has alot of small little black spots but when i rub my hand over his body no mites on my hands and when i look over him i cant see anything moving for the moment
they all seem to be dead in the tank also i used paper towel for bedding and no black spots on the paper also i used the only thing i could find after going to 3 pet stores
natural chemistry reptile spray after i used the product i let him soak in water for 20 mins hoping it would also clear up the impacting hes having
i saw alot of dead mites in the water i counted 13 dead mites
but it did not clear up the impaction
it looks to be dried fecal and i feel a bump on the body like its backed up im going to have to take to someone who knows more about this then me hope everything works out well hes a beautiful snake i love his color and he loves to be handled
 
Just for the record, they all work if you use them correctly. RID, Equate and PAM all contain the same ingredient. This is NOT a reptile safe product the way it is being described here. Precautions must be taken to prevent poisoning. But it is effective.

Reptile relief is good for the snake itself. It dries up the rostrum, preventing the mite from being able to feed, and it dies. But it also will dehydrate the snake, so you must clean off afterward, and should soak the animal to help against the dryness of the skin.

Olive oil is another alternative for the snake itself. You simply apply liberally, let stand for a while, and it will suffocate the mites. No chemicals needed for the animal itself. Soaking in plain old water will suffocate, or drown the mites as well.

I've used all those methods with success.
 
Dont forget their will be eggs most likely.Thats were the Equate or the Pam comes in.
It leaves a residual to kill new mites that hatch before they get to breed.I'm not sure if Pam kills the eggs or not,i know the equate does.
If your not using either,keep a close eye out for any new mites and kill them.
Good luck man.
See a vet about the impaction!
 
BTW, are you sure the "impaction" isn't just retained shed? This is a common place for shed retention, and if it happens more then once, it builds up. Pictures aren't clear enough to tell very well.
 
yeah the eyes are very much on him but i did a really good job with the tank i let it soak for over an hour with the spray then filled it with water and 1/2 a cap full of bleach let that sit for about 20 mins then gave a good rinse dried then cleaned again i also put vaseline around the top again just incase so we will see over the next few days
thanks again
 
I would like to know what the Vaseline will do to the boa if is slithers up the glass and it build up in its nostrils?
I personally would not put vaseline in my boa cages.But thats just me.I never had mites in my house in 3 years since getting into boa's.Just lucky at thsi point.
It seems the breeder you buy from has a bit to do with that.
This is why i do not use bedding and only paper.But also,my boa's are not in my living room so i'm not looking to make the cages pretty.
 
yeah i just tryed to take pictures again my iphone in with hd still wasnt clear im going to take him to parrets of the world the owner there is a very big animal guy and he has a snake breeder on staff see if they can help me out its right down the block and would save me $80 just to walk into the vets office
 
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