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Liesen Line Trick is not a Dom, it's a Codom... Super Trick

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Listed as and thought to be a Dom gene, has now been proven to be a Codom. Keven Winter has provided me with these pictures of the Super Trick out of the Liesen Line. From what he is telling me, it's getting brighter with age.

Enjoy

Liesen Line Trick Ball and Lesser Trick Ball

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Liesen Line Super Trick

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Very neat. I don't know much about it, but I thought it was a special line of a black pastel gene, but the super says something different.
 
Focal said:
Very neat. I don't know much about it, but I thought it was a special line of a black pastel gene, but the super says something different.
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It's rather neat. Kevin Winter and partners in this project were hoping it wasn't going to be a all white snake. So when this super was produced, it really changed the idea of this morph.
 
Nick I do beleive it came in attached to the Black Pastel gene, and that it took a number of years to isolate it. However I'm alittle skeptical of that being a super, I don't see an almost completely yellowless snake turning out like a superpastel in color. I have been wrong many times before. Any info on the sire and dam? I'd bet at least one has pastel in it. Very interesting new gene though.
 
MrBig said:
Nick I do beleive it came in attached to the Black Pastel gene, and that it took a number of years to isolate it. However I'm alittle skeptical of that being a super, I don't see an almost completely yellowless snake turning out like a superpastel in color. I have been wrong many times before. Any info on the sire and dam? I'd bet at least one has pastel in it. Very interesting new gene though.
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Ahh, gotcha. That makes sense.
 
MrBig said:
Nick I do beleive it came in attached to the Black Pastel gene, and that it took a number of years to isolate it. However I'm alittle skeptical of that being a super, I don't see an almost completely yellowless snake turning out like a superpastel in color. I have been wrong many times before. Any info on the sire and dam? I'd bet at least one has pastel in it. Very interesting new gene though.
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Sending an email to answer some of these questions.

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MrBig said:
Nick I do beleive it came in attached to the Black Pastel gene, and that it took a number of years to isolate it. However I'm alittle skeptical of that being a super, I don't see an almost completely yellowless snake turning out like a superpastel in color. I have been wrong many times before. Any info on the sire and dam? I'd bet at least one has pastel in it. Very interesting new gene though.
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What I was told it was a pick up that was imported from Africa
 
When I looked into them, was considering getting in on the project, I remember that it came in attached to another morph, wither Black pastel or maybe just pastel. I also remember reading on Leisen's site, that he had successfully isolated it for the first time a couple years ago. I am in no way shape or form an expert, but I did diligent research when I looked into the line originally.
 
Is it wrong that i like the base better then the "super" anyway? I will admit that the lesser trick is sick. Hahaha I made a funny. Really would love some info on the pairing and clutchmates of the super that you posted. It seeming to be a dom gene at first is the main reason I decided not to get into this project.
 
I am actually getting a liesen line black pastel and when talking to gary he said the trick is attached to his line of black pastel.......
 
Is it just me or does the super trick just look like a pastel??? I see the crazy, busy patterns on the trick, I would have thought a super trick would have an extremly busy wacked out pattern.........
 
Vittoamp said:
Did he talk about the super form?

Attached to a black pastel line but producing a yellow snake?? Now I'm confused
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Hey Vitto,

Just a word of advice, wait and let people post their new findings themselves. I don't say this to be mean or anything. What happens is you talk to Joe about something him and Bob made. You are excited and want to share because its cool, and being a cool guy, you want others to be enlightened. The problem is that there are going to be questions. If it is something that has never been produced there are going to be a lot of questions.....ones that only those who produced can answer. Now comes the problem that Vitto said he produced a super trick. You notice that Joe and Bob did not produce it.....that was on page one. By page three Vitto has a new morph that Gary Leisen stole from him. By page 5 Vitto is an idiot because its a normal pastel (because Joe and Bob sent the wrong picture). By page 7 someone finally stands up for Vitto and tells everyone that jumped in to read page one. I've been there being excited for people, but it can come back to bite you. Stay Vitto the cool guy:thumbsup:
 
Vittoamp said:
Did he talk about the super form?

Attached to a black pastel line but producing a yellow snake?? Now I'm confused
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Is this question directed at me?
I'm am confused as well. i don't see how that is a super trick and as others said :) if it is then I'd rather have the single gene trick as well
 
One of the nice things about ball pythons is that there is something for everybody. What some people dislike, others will love. While I like the black pastels from this line, I'm otherwise unimpressed (and I think the trick lesser is awful).
That means nothing, except that I'm disinterested....I still wish them the best with their projects - they should provide a good deal of fun over the years (and isn't that what this is about, for many of us?).
 
hhmoore said:
One of the nice things about ball pythons is that there is something for everybody. What some people dislike, others will love. While I like the black pastels from this line, I'm otherwise unimpressed (and I think the trick lesser is awful).
That means nothing, except that I'm disinterested....I still wish them the best with their projects - they should provide a good deal of fun over the years (and isn't that what this is about, for many of us?).
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His line of black pastels are amazing imo best of the best! I like the trick gene but not with light morphs i think a mystic,phantom, or mojo trick would be awesome! And would love to see it thrown into ghi or even clown ( clown only because they are my fav) can't wait to see what else is done with this gene!
 
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