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Bad Guy offthearkexoticpets

I began that post with Sadly. Which I meant more as sadly for you, since I do agree that first come first serve in any business is the way to go. I will say that I have held animals for people without immediate payment...

BUT!! That should not be expected from anyone, as it is merely a curiosity when I am confident enough in the sale.
 
oh! My ability (and others) to remove emotion from business transactions does nothing to show you how I care for the animals that are my daily passion =)

(I think I am done now lol)
 
I didn't see it in any of your emails. Did you ask for a hold? Also I agree with willow about it not seeming like off the ark being slow. If you look at 2 1/2 days being 60 hours and 9 emails and replies. That is about an email every 3 hours. That doesn't even take into account any kind of business hours or that they have another business to run.
 
I did say id pay when I got home. I have that email as well. And will gladly post that as well when I get home. I was rushed last night when I posted this and I should have just posted all of it at once. It is what it is I guess. I regardless I personally won't attempt to buy again.
 
Lucille said:
Did the seller agree to hold the critter for you until you got home and paid?
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No I never got a response. But all the other details were done and agreed on so I should have been afforded the time to get home and pay when I said I was going to do just that. (And did)
Ok I'm texting under my desk at work......gotta go for now. Hope everyone has a great day. At least my adult 1.2 group is coming today. =-)
 
Neon said:
I think what you're ignoring here is some people just don't run their businesses on customer service. It's unfortunate but the majority of the large breeders/suppliers run that way. For most of them that's how they got there: by taking the first money waved in their faces. That's certainly not a business maneuver I plan on taking nor do I deal with breeders who deal in such manners;
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:iagree:
I hate the mentality that whoever pays first gets it, if you are in the process of communicatiing and setting up a business transaction, at least send the person a warning email "hey, I have another offer, if you can't respond with payment by 'such and such' time/date then I am moving on to the next person".

I understand there are lots of lookie-loos that say 'I'm going to get this' and then you never hear from them again (heard it plenty of times myself), but at least give them a chance to respond/buy it before you sell out from under them.
 
AbsoluteApril said:
:iagree:
I hate the mentality that whoever pays first gets it, if you are in the process of communicatiing and setting up a business transaction, at least send the person a warning email "hey, I have another offer, if you can't respond with payment by 'such and such' time/date then I am moving on to the next person".

I understand there are lots of lookie-loos that say 'I'm going to get this' and then you never hear from them again (heard it plenty of times myself), but at least give them a chance to respond/buy it before you sell out from under them.
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I do agree to an extent. As a seller I would always be willing to let someone know I had other interested parties. But sometimes in reality there may not be much of a chance unless you really want to make someone else(other interested parties) wait.

The animal was still listed for sale, so another party had every right to put actual money down on the animal and claim it as theirs.

If you send emails over 2 and a half days without any money being a factor and someone comes along and pays up quickly, how is it fair for you to take the sale away from them? The animal was in all reality still up for grabs.
 
AbsoluteApril said:
:iagree:
I hate the mentality that whoever pays first gets it, if you are in the process of communicatiing and setting up a business transaction, at least send the person a warning email "hey, I have another offer, if you can't respond with payment by 'such and such' time/date then I am moving on to the next person".

I understand there are lots of lookie-loos that say 'I'm going to get this' and then you never hear from them again (heard it plenty of times myself), but at least give them a chance to respond/buy it before you sell out from under them.
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I agree with all of your points above, but the seller DID at least refund the buyers money immediately, so I think a "Bad Guy" thread is not really warranted here. Was what the seller did unethical...Maybe, but he didn't rip anyone off or scam anyone.
 
What if the seller has refunded the person who paid first and took payment from the OP. What if the person who paid first decided they where unhappy because they feel it's unfair since they paid first and now they have posted a Bad Guy thread.

It seems by this logic, there is nothing the seller could have done to avoid being labeled a Bad Guy =(

He could have told the second person to wait for response from the OP first, to which the second person could have decided they don't want to wait, and look else where. And then the OP never gets back to the seller (it happens) So now he has lost out on both sales.

The seller refunded the money quickly, he made a judgement on who to sell the animal to. That is his right as the seller.

I am not defending any past issues with the seller, I'm am simply viewing the current situation.
 
keep in mind...the person who paid first should not be expected to know (or care) that you had been emailing the seller for 2 and a half days before they bought the animal. They paid first, they are a customer just like you, and in their eyes, they have more right to the animal then you do.

Would you want them posting a Bad Guy thread about the seller if he had done what you wanted him to do in this transaction?
 
Willow said:
What if the seller has refunded the person who paid first and took payment from the OP. What if the person who paid first decided they where unhappy because they feel it's unfair since they paid first and now they have posted a Bad Guy thread.

It seems by this logic, there is nothing the seller could have done to avoid being labeled a Bad Guy =(

He could have told the second person to wait for response from the OP first, to which the second person could have decided they don't want to wait, and look else where. And then the OP never gets back to the seller (it happens) So now he has lost out on both sales.

The seller refunded the money quickly, he made a judgement on who to sell the animal to. That is his right as the seller.

I am not defending any past issues with the seller, I'm am simply viewing the current situation.
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100% my thoughts. Buyers flake on deals so often, that you could shoot yourself in the foot by not selling to the first person to pay. More communication from the seller would have been good, but I can't blame the seller for his decision.
 
Just a tip, when I send my initial email to a seller, I follow it up with "Do you accept paypal and if so, what's your email?" That way, once I get the reply and am satisfied, I can immediately pay and seal the deal. If they don't take paypal, I'll request a phone number for payment via CC. It's a dog-eat-dog world and you have to be willing to pay the moment you decide you want it or you might lose it.
 
Willow said:
What if the seller has refunded the person who paid first and took payment from the OP. What if the person who paid first decided they where unhappy because they feel it's unfair since they paid first and now they have posted a Bad Guy thread.
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Is it common for someone to just send money without even talking to the seller first? That seems odd.
Anyways, maybe we should take this discussion to the business discussion forums as there are lots of view points and I think it would make for a good thread. I don't want to go too far off topic.

Obviously the seller in this case only cared about getting the $ from whoever sent it first.
 
It is slightly relevant to the topic hehe, since it is the only actual transaction that happened between the seller and OP.

Both conversations could have been happening around the same time. We have no idea who the person who paid first is, or how long they had been emailing the seller themselves.

If the OP was emailing for 2 and a half days, I can only assume he told the seller he would send payment on the day the other person actually DID send payment. I highly doubt he stated as a fact before that day that he would pay the seller anything.

it sounds as if the seller was speaking to two people about the same animal...both parties paid for the animal and the seller refunded the second payment and sent the snake out to the first person who paid for it.
 
AbsoluteApril said:
Is it common for someone to just send money without even talking to the seller first? That seems odd.
Anyways, maybe we should take this discussion to the business discussion forums as there are lots of view points and I think it would make for a good thread. I don't want to go too far off topic.

Obviously the seller in this case only cared about getting the $ from whoever sent it first.
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This discussion is relevant to the thread. The whole thread was initiated BECAUSE of this topic and how we might see the transaction is definitely colored by how we see the topic..
And it isn't obvious that the seller was completely motivated by money since we have not seen all the emails. After all, Ryan has been a bit acerbic on this thread. It is possible that there was a lot of bargaining going on with one customer, and the other might have been easypeazy, ok I'll take it type of transaction.
 
Talkenlate04 said:
Your right, I should not have said that, it was my involuntary response to your illogical approach to my main problem with what happened and your snide remark about having cash in hand when I want to buy something. I HAVE the money to buy what I want, I was not given enough time to pay, nor was I given any sort of fair warning that I needed to be rushing home to pay on a Sunday freaking afternoon!
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This statement rubs me the wrong way...

I never understand why people feel so entitled to have their rights (OMG it was a Sunday and I was busy! I should not have to rush home to pay for a product I want to buy! You NEED to inform me about any other person who inquires about that snake until I am READY to pay for it)

when they don't want to give rights to the sellers (You do not own me, or my product, until money changes hands...and in this case, he handed it right back because he has already finished the deal with someone else)

I don't go shopping when I'm unable to pay for a product....it always ends badly.
 
To clarify my shopping when unable to pay remark, it had nothing to do with available funds.

You had to wait until you got home to pay, that is your issue.

Your issue should not be forced upon the seller unless he had agreed to hold the animal for you until then. Which from what you have stated yourself, he did not.
 
Willow said:
Both conversations could have been happening around the same time. We have no idea who the person who paid first is, or how long they had been emailing the seller themselves.
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that is a very good point.


Lucille said:
This discussion is relevant to the thread. The whole thread was initiated BECAUSE of this topic and how we might see the transaction is definitely colored by how we see the topic..
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perhaps I was misunderstood, I was not saying the discussion was not relevant in regards to what happened here but I thought it would make a good thread in the discussion forums so people could talk generally about 'what I would do is'.
 
AbsoluteApril said:
that is a very good point.




perhaps I was misunderstood, I was not saying the discussion was not relevant in regards to what happened here but I thought it would make a good thread in the discussion forums so people could talk generally about 'what I would do is'.
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I agree 100%, would be a good topic.
 
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