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Legal to keep Northern Green Frog (Rana clamitans melanota)?

WingedSweetheart

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Is it legal to keep Northern Green Frogs in my state (WV)? I've been looking around on the net and can't seem to find any information. It would probably help if I knew where to look in the first place.

Anyway any help would be appreciated!
 
I read that I can catch frogs (and kill them) with a fishing license but still haven't found anything about keeping them.

I didn't find anything on the site above about private ownership. Just stuff about making a profit on the animals in zoos and such.
 
http://www.wvdnr.gov/Fishing/Regs12/regs_Summary.pdf

I guess since it says I can possess 20, them I'm allowed to keep Northern Green Frogs. I can't seem to find anywhere where is says that I have to "eat" the frogs that I collect.

Reason for the post is that I have a Northern Green frog. Raised frog a tadpole. Collected from my pond one summer. Never really thought about if it were legal or not as I've had them in school too. But I'd rather be safe than sorry.
 
FROGS IN SEASON

The wife & I collect Michigan herps for our local "Frog Fest" in July each year. We work with the DNR and display what-ever we can find, then let them all go where we caught them. Some officers go strickly by the book, but if it's for "educational purposes", they'll play along. Back to your original ?, aside from possession #'s, most states have seasons, so technically you could be "in possession" of a animal out of season. :(
 
They sell corns in every pet shop I've been to in this state. No one has a permit for them. I would think that the law would come swooping down on all these pet shops if it were illegal to keep or sell them without a permit. Shouldn't it be the same for kings? I mean we have kingsnakes in our state too. But they are also sold in every pet shop. The argument of them being Cali kings or whatever doesn't fly. My corns were collected from around here. Even if I had a classic, that doesn't mean it came from this state.

So there needs to be clearer laws in that regard!
 
WingedSweetheart said:
They sell corns in every pet shop I've been to in this state. No one has a permit for them. I would think that the law would come swooping down on all these pet shops if it were illegal to keep or sell them without a permit. Shouldn't it be the same for kings? I mean we have kingsnakes in our state too. But they are also sold in every pet shop. The argument of them being Cali kings or whatever doesn't fly. My corns were collected from around here. Even if I had a classic, that doesn't mean it came from this state.

So there needs to be clearer laws in that regard!
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Are you positive they don't have permits? Kings are included, any species native to WV, you need a permit for them.

Example, I ordered corns from BHB, I would still need a permit for those, because the species is native to WV.
 
I mean how would it be legal for pet shops to sell those snakes to people if you need a permit to own them?

I have five snakes. Four of them came from various pet shops around here (including the big chain stores). Only one came from a breeder in South Carolina.
 
http://www.legis.state.wv.us/wvcode/code.cfm?chap=20&art=2

"That all fish, frogs and other aquatic life in privately-owned ponds are, and shall remain, the private property of the owner or owners of such privately-owned ponds, and that such fish, frogs and other aquatic life in such privately-owned ponds may be caught, taken or killed by such owner or owners at any time."

Well that seems to answer my original question. Since the frog came from my pond, according to this then it is my property.

From what I've read so far it just says, "wild animals, wild birds, both migratory and resident, and all fish, amphibians, and all forms of aquatic life." I haven't seen anything at all about reptiles. Lot of stuff about hunting in there. It's all very confusing to me.

But like I said, I bought four out of five of my snakes from pet shops. So how is it illegal for me to have bought them but not for them to have sold them to me in the first place? Anyone can go in and buy any animal in the store. No questions asked. I didn't just buy from one store either.
 
WingedSweetheart said:
I mean how would it be legal for pet shops to sell those snakes to people if you need a permit to own them?

I have five snakes. Four of them came from various pet shops around here (including the big chain stores). Only one came from a breeder in South Carolina.
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It's the people's responsibility, not the pet shops.

I don't agree with the laws either, but the laws say if you have a species that is native, you have t have a permit, no matter where it came from. I would think you would only need one if it was field collected, but nope. :shrug01:
 
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I emailed the DNR about the snake question. I hope they reply!
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That's how I found it out. A couple of years ago, I went to my local station and sat down and just talked to him for about 2 hours, because I couldn't understand what was online.

And that's how he explained it to me. But also, the DNR around here don't have their stuff together, lol, so let me know what they say in their reply.
 
I will if they ever reply lol. In the mean time how do I go about getting a permit. I would hate to have my snakes taken away from me. Though I know of tons of other people who have bought pet store snakes and have no idea about the permit (like me). So I guess they don't seem to care to enforce it.
 
Yea! I finally got a reply from the DNR! My snakes are legal and its only illegal to collect them from the wild without a permit (which I'm not interested in doing).

" Thanks for contacting us regarding purchasing and owning snakes. In West Virginia it is legal to own snakes that were purchased from reputable,licensed pet stores and you don’t need a permit. These stores have the necessary permits to sell snakes. The snakes sold in pet stores are all born in captivity and none were taken from the wild. It is illegal to have in your procession any snakes that were taken from the wild without having the necessary permits. It is also illegal to catch native snakes then try to sell them. We also do not want people releasing any snakes that were purchased in pet stores. This can spread diseases and compromise their genetic make-up. Hope this clears things up and if you have any other questions,please let us know.

Jim Fregonara
WVDNR Wildlife Resources
Section Wildlife Diversity Program
phone: 304-637-0245
fax: 304-637-0250
email: [email protected]"
 
WingedSweetheart said:
Yea! I finally got a reply from the DNR! My snakes are legal and its only illegal to collect them from the wild without a permit (which I'm not interested in doing).

" Thanks for contacting us regarding purchasing and owning snakes. In West Virginia it is legal to own snakes that were purchased from reputable,licensed pet stores and you don’t need a permit. These stores have the necessary permits to sell snakes. The snakes sold in pet stores are all born in captivity and none were taken from the wild. It is illegal to have in your procession any snakes that were taken from the wild without having the necessary permits. It is also illegal to catch native snakes then try to sell them. We also do not want people releasing any snakes that were purchased in pet stores. This can spread diseases and compromise their genetic make-up. Hope this clears things up and if you have any other questions,please let us know.

Jim Fregonara
WVDNR Wildlife Resources
Section Wildlife Diversity Program
phone: 304-637-0245
fax: 304-637-0250
email: [email protected]"
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So my local guy made me pay $25 for a permit for nothing. lol. I don't catch local snakes either, just buy them.

Thanks for the info!
 
For the time being in WV, you need to have a "pet permit" at $2 a pop for each non-game, non-aquatic animal you take from the wild for pet purposes only. To take aquatic herps, you need a fishing license (a loophole that makes WV the only state where taking hellbenders is legal :( ). If you want to breed your WC WV herps, you need a game farm permit at $10 per species as well as a business license. To exhibit your herps in any capacity, you need a Roadside Menagerie permit at $25. CB animals are a different animal entirely, needing no permit, but it is a wise idea to save receipts just in case you are asked to provide evidence. Further, some species, like Northern pines and corns, have not been seen in WV for so long (1976 and 1981 respectively, if memory serves) that while they are documented, they are considered extirpated. Hope that helps.
 
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