Informal presidential election poll

[dumje]

ENTITLEMENTS:


Honors our promise to our seniors and veterans, while allowing young workers to opt out. Block grants Medicaid and other welfare programs to allow States the flexibility and ingenuity they need to solve their own unique problems without harming those currently relying on the programs.


an insane idea....medical costs are so out of hand...you cant attack this from 1 side...when the elderly need medical attention there is no other humane way to take care of it...you certainly cannot let people just die...could you? The pricing on the medical side needs to be brought down to something more managable for most people...

 

[dumje]

CUTTING GOVERNMENT WASTE:

Makes a 10% reduction in the federal workforce, slashes Congressional pay and perks, and curbs excessive federal travel. To stand with the American People, President Paul will take a salary of $39,336, approximately equal to the median personal income of the American worker.

very good ideas...but congress would not approve this...it would have to be voted on by the people...

 

[dumje]

TAXES:


Lowers the corporate tax rate to 15%, making America competitive in the global market. Allows American companies to repatriate capital without additional taxation, spurring trillions in new investment. Extends all Bush tax cuts. Abolishes the Death Tax. Ends taxes on personal savings, allowing families to build a nest egg.

I believe this will cause us to be in a larger deficit than we are in now...

 

[dumje]

so...he has some good yet radical ideas...some may very well work...but it will be hard for him to implement most of them...

 

[WebSlave]

Actually, those are just the sort of things that this country needs, and unless someone has the testicular fortitude to actually try to implement them, the problems are only going to get bigger, bigger and MUCH BIGGER till the entire country goes bankrupt. Which, by definition, I believe it already is. How much is this country in debt again? See the below attached image from -> http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/federal_debt_chart.html. And what sort of steps are being taken to correct that course? Yeah, I thought so......

Getting someone into the office of president that will just give us more of the same will GIVE us just more of the same, which is EXACTLY what we don't need. Obama was voted into office on a platform based on CHANGE. What we really need is someone who will actually GIVE us that change that is needed. Of all the candidates offered, which one is the most likely to carry through with that sort of promise with at least a SERIOUS attempt at it? And don't think for an instant that only a President of the USA can make this sort of change. Obviously all of Congress needs a major overhaul as well.

Honestly, ANYONE who thinks this country is going to get out of these serious problems without some SERIOUS financial pain involved to a lot of people is just not thinking this through at length. Unless someone grabs the helm of the Good Ship America and tries very hard to set us into a different course, I really don't have much hope for the future of this country, nor those people living within in it when it crashes. The world is just not filled with altruistic people, so if the USA needs a bailout (if that will even be possible to do), then I expect we all better start learning how to speak Chinese in a hurry.

 

[jdshscja]

I've been reading this thread and had preferred to stay out of it until now. Being an independent I've realized that most political subjects tend to just become arguments about beliefs and not about facts, so it's better to just watch it play out. However I wanted to comment on a couple things.

not sure what transportation security does.

They're the federal agency that makes sure riding in a plane, train, or automobile is safe.

As for Ron Paul, I am a fan of his, but only because he is one of the few politicians who is honest. I'm not sure where people get the idea that he's not being mentioned or "hyped" by the media comes from. I see him on tv everyday and I live in California where most people couldn't care less about republican politics. As for why he won't get elected, it's pretty simple and has nothing to do with the media. First he doesn't seem willing to lie to get elected and let's face it, that's basically a prerequisite nowadays. Second and more importantly is that he has views that are not limited to one party and in this 2 party system, that will not get you elected. He also has some radical views that are not looked upon favorably by either party. And last of all is he can't hold a candle to Romney in fundraising and seeing as money = speech now(lol), then Romney gets to talk a lot more.

Now his economic ideas are not only not radical but unfortunately just bland republican ideas. He wants to cut spending, ok great but then he wants cut taxes. We added around 1.3 trillion in debt last year, you know what happens with that kinda plan, another 1.3 trillion. Any plan at this point that doesn't cut spending and raise taxes, will do nothing but continue to sink us into debt.

 

[akonitony]

CUTTING GOVERNMENT WASTE:

Makes a 10% reduction in the federal workforce, slashes Congressional pay and perks, and curbs excessive federal travel. To stand with the American People, President Paul will take a salary of $39,336, approximately equal to the median personal income of the American worker.

very good ideas...but congress would not approve this...it would have to be voted on by the people...

All of these make sense, but this one the most. If a 100%-rated disabled veteran can live off of ~$36k per year, tax free of course, why can't every other public 'servant'? I guarantee you if we put this cap on every position in the government, we'd actually see people in office that are there to serve rather than take.

These tables should be the guidelines for salaries of those who wish to 'serve' in congress or any other position of our governement:

http://www.vba.va.gov/bln/21/Rates/comp01.htm

Also, why is the president allowed to retire after 4 years with something like $475k annually for the rest of his/her life? Where is another position like this available?

 

[Dennis Hultman]

I will vote for someone I believe is principled and will do what they state no-matter that I don't agree with every position. The only candidate that I believe is honest is Ron Paul and that counts with me.

Campaign For Liberty!

 

[akonitony]

'Nuff said?

 

[akonitony]

But wait, there's more:

 

[akonitony]

I will vote for someone I believe is principled and will do what they state no-matter that I don't agree with every position. The only candidate that I believe is honest is Ron Paul and that counts with me.

Campaign For Liberty!

You were correct, sir, but lately, he has been getting to be a little more like the rest of the candidates:

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/ron-paul/

I line up with another republican according to this:

http://selectsmart.com/president/

However, I still plan to vote for Ron Paul because my gut feeling is he is more honest than the rest of them.

 

[Dennis Hultman]

So, how come we don't see similar results in "official" polls and voting results across the country as we see in this poll? I would think that this would be a pretty non-biased cross section of citizens of this country. From what I recall, the results in the same poll on my CornSnakes.com website pretty much duplicated what is seen here.

I guess I just don't believe that voting is really all that accurate of a representation of what the people REALLY want and have actually voted for. There are just too many opportunities for fraudulent results with no realistic way to audit those results.

I also noted that every single online debate poll from each network during and after each debate Ron Paul won by double digit margins. I voted in everyone. I noticed that at the begin of some of the debates that they were going to discuss the online debates and then didn't. Fox did this twice. Ron Paul blow the online poll away and then they deleted the poll and didn't discuss it on air like they stated they would.

 

[WebSlave]

Now his economic ideas are not only not radical but unfortunately just bland republican ideas. He wants to cut spending, ok great but then he wants cut taxes. We added around 1.3 trillion in debt last year, you know what happens with that kinda plan, another 1.3 trillion. Any plan at this point that doesn't cut spending and raise taxes, will do nothing but continue to sink us into debt.

Well, honestly if anyone wants to SERIOUSLY reduce the footprint of government, how else would you do it, whether as a result of, or a method to make that reduction happen, without BOTH cutting spending and reducing taxes? Isn't that the major REASON for reducing government?

 

[dumje]

as I said before...I dont have evidence...but...an on line poll...a poll during a debate from the audience ...tv or live...is still an isolated poll...not a true reading of the people that vote...his ideas are not what most people believe will work...he may tell the truth...he may not be bought by big money...but most republican voters will not vote for him...

 

[mainbutter]

the only reason we have odd days now is because Julius wanted as many days as Augustus had in his month, etc...

Didn't Julius die well before Augustus was given his honorific title?

 

[jdshscja]

Well, honestly if anyone wants to SERIOUSLY reduce the footprint of government, how else would you do it, whether as a result of, or a method to make that reduction happen, without BOTH cutting spending and reducing taxes? Isn't that the major REASON for reducing government?

In no way is it possible to ever get out of debt by reducing taxes and reducing spending, it really is that simple. If you ever want smaller government, it will require higher taxes to get there first. Here's an example, although a slightly extreme one.

We spent 1.3 trillion more than we brought in last year. So we want to cut spending to make up that difference. Let's go with everyones favorite target for cutting, "entitlements". Conveniently that comes out to a little over 1.3 trillion, perfect. So we haven't reduced the deficit but at least we've reduced government and balanced the budget right? Wrong, because now we also have to reduce taxes, which go figure, reduces our income. Now on top of that our income is reduced even further because when you eliminate government spending, you eliminate government jobs. Also don't forget that not all of the work is done within the government and is outsourced to private companies, so guess what, you eliminate private sector jobs as well.

So now you would further need to cut government spending and this pattern will just go on forever until there is no government or that government is in default.

Let's also not forget that doing all this would also increase the number of people that would be in need of government handouts but that is beside the point.

 

[akonitony]

Didn't Julius die well before Augustus was given his honorific title?

Sure, but death does not necessarily stop a rivalry. Why do you thing July and August both have 31 days, and February has only 28 or 29? They had to get the days form somewhere...
I think you might have missed my point, BTW.

 

[akonitony]

This just in:

HEADLINES FROM THE YEAR: 2059

Ozone created by electric cars now killing millions in the seventh largest country in the world, Mexifornia, formerly known as California.

White minorities still trying to have English recognized as Mexifornia's third language.

Spotted Owl plague threatens northwestern United States crops and livestock.

Baby conceived naturally! Scientists stumped.

Couple petitions court to reinstate heterosexual marriage.

Iran still closed off; physicists estimate it will take at least 10 more years before radioactivity decreases to safe levels.

France pleads for global help after being taken over by Jamaica. No other country comes forward to help the beleaguered nation!

Castro finally dies at age 112; Cuban cigars can now be imported legally, but President Natasha Clinton-Obama has banned all smoking.

George Z. Bush says he will run for President in 2060.

Postal Service raises price of first class stamp to $17.89 and reduces mail delivery to Wednesdays only.

85-year $75.8 billion study: Diet and exercise is the key to weight loss.

Average weight of Americans drops to 250 lbs.

Global cooling blamed for citrus crop failure for third consecutive year in Mexifornia and Floruba.

Japanese scientists have created a camera with such a fast shutter speed they now can photograph a woman with her mouth shut.

Abortion clinics now available in every High School in United States ..

Senate still blocking drilling in ANWR even though gas is selling for 4532 Pesos per liter and gas stations are only open on Tuesdays and Fridays.

Massachusetts executes last remaining conservative.

Supreme Court rules punishment of criminals violates their civil rights.

Average height of NBA players is now nine feet seven inches with
Only 3 illegitimate children.

New federal law requires that all nail clippers, screwdrivers, fly swatters and rolled-up newspapers must be registered by January 2060..

IRS sets lowest tax rate at 75 percent..

Floruba voters still having trouble with voting machines.

 

[WebSlave]

 

[akonitony]

Yep, guess I'm not the most politically-correct guy around. Guess I'll live around it.