Bad Guy Omega Pythons - Bad Guy

[Royal Clutch]

This past summer I had bought some snakes from Chris at Omega Pythons. Over the last few months I have been really tortured with writing this or not. The truth is I did get some great deals from Chris in the beginning and the first transaction or two went great. It did quickly get very bad. I just want everyone to be prepared for his arrogant approach to business and his outright lying.

First was a tiny calico that he said had eaten five times yet it was only 55 grams when I received her. She wouldn't eat anything .. I tried everything I could of ..dark tub .. everything. After almost a month I found out he was feeding everything ASF's which raised a flag with me (although if she ate one I would be very surprised). If he was feeding ASF's why not let the guy who is buying the snakes know this .. *he lost it*. After many weeks I finally got her to eat a couple of hopper mice and she is doing fine.

Lastly was a shipment I got with a Big normal female and a few others. When I opened the contents the box and snakes were infested with Mites. I have not had any experience with Mites so this was really odd for me. I did some research and was adamant these had to be snake mites. Chris was just as adamant it was rat mites and basically argued the point until I said the "black dots" were in the snake scales. After realising he wasn't going to be able to talk me off of it he offered to send my mite remedy with the next order and it would never happen again. He also tried to blame it on his friend who had sent a snake in the same package and the shipper as well.

After this we agreed not to deal anymore and there was some heated e-mails as I finally called him on his BS ... I know Chris will defend himself here by saying I was a pain in the ass asking questions etc.. and I did ask questions but considering I spent allot of money with him and allot of snakes I simply needed history and in some cases a little advice. I have seen other threads get completely out of line with breeders going back and forth but this won't happen here. I will not be responding on his reply I only ask that you be careful and see this as the warning it was meant to be... The following are snippets of the e-mails about the mite issue which should be enough for you to agree. Or disagree ,,but make up your own mind.

I know by putting this out there my character will probably be in question but I assure you this was not an easy decision. I just couldn’t let something like this happen to someone else. I am not concerned with how Chris feels about me, what’s important for me is the people who have done business with me know I am an honest person and this is a hobby to me and I love every bit of it .. there is just no room for this kind of behavior or just simply bad business.

Mites Issue: (it should be noted the albino was in quarantine)
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From: Omega Pythons [mailto[email protected]]
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 4:58 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: A message about your ad on

Hey George,
I'm not offended....just trying to be quiet and don't blame other people as other people doing and from now on i will be shipping only my stuff.
Also inside the reptile express store i saw my snakes inside bags in an open box next to 10 at least other open boxes full of snakes from other breeders which one of them i recognize as the rat breeder which i stopped buying due to mites 6 months ago!!!!
Anyway sorry for any inconvenience i may cause and i can guarantee you it will not happen again.
Chris
www.omegapythons.com

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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: A message about your ad on
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 00:50:02 -0400
Chris,

I will not be cancelling my Monday purchase. I have every intention of fulfilling our agreement. I have an albino Ball python I have had for quite some time and he was clean as can be and I didn’t notice any spots on him. Today I was taking him out and sure enough he had these “mites” under his scales ( I picked a few out to be sure) and Nikki was submerged in her water dish since last night (gave her a second bath tonight). This led me to research what I was seeing and viola (but like you said they do look the same). I am not pointing fingers, laying blame or anything of that nature. Whatever they are will be gone in due time once I receive the treatment.

I did mean to offend I truly just wanted to relay what I see because you are not here to view exactly what I am seeing. I am inclined to believe what you are saying because the first five snakes you sent me had nothing. But I just don’t see why rat mites would be under snake scales. Either way it’s been a long day for me; believe it or not I had to work *yuck*.

Good night…

George,

From: Omega Pythons [mailto[email protected]]
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 12:29 AM
To: George Kinsella
Subject: Re: A message about your ad on

George,
When I tell u something you should believe it cause I was at your spot 4 years ago.
Mites are mites.... Both look the same just some are eating cold blood some warm.... Like humans some are vegetarians some eat meat.... But all look human.
I know where I get my mites from and what kind are and I will send u pics tomorrow crawling on my rats.
Saying that if u like to cancel the monday purchase I will have no problem.
Chris.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 1, 2011, at 23:14, "George Kinsella" <[email protected]> wrote:
Hey Chris,

I did do a little research of my own on what I am seeing. The reason I did this is because you can’t see what I am seeing. In this video it shows snake mites and unfortunately that’s what I am seeing. I ordered some prevent a mite and will treat as recommended. I am sending this to you because you may have a breakout if it didn’t get picked up in transit or in the depot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJ_iXdLPCFQ&feature=related

It happens .. no biggie..

George,

From: Omega Pythons [mailto[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 11:00 PM
To: George Kinsella
Subject: Re: A message about your ad on

Sweet dreams....lol

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 30, 2011, at 22:30, "George Kinsella" <[email protected]> wrote:
M-Man … I am going sleep so much better lol.

From: Omega Pythons [mailto[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 9:34 PM
To: George Kinsella
Subject: Re: A message about your ad on

If it was snake mites u would not be able to see them. For sure rat mites.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 30, 2011, at 21:21, "George Kinsella" <[email protected]> wrote:
I was talking with Michael and he said I should buy some so no worry and he told what to buy. I just wanted to say all the snakes are awesome and Nikki is a sweetheart.. so for sure what I am seeing is Rat mites? Or are they snake mites? I am putting an order in right now for some spray (PAM).

From: Omega Pythons [mailto[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 8:00 PM
To: George Kinsella
Subject: Re: A message about your ad on

Next time I will send u a can of mite spray.... It's always useful... Specially when u r on a buying spree... Lol. If u have more than 10-15 snakes it will eventually happen.... From rats or from other snakes.
Fill warm water and leave snakes for 15 min... Try to fill the bin as much as possible but let space to breathe.
Chris

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 30, 2011, at 19:50, "George Kinsella" <[email protected]> wrote:
Sure ..sounds good

From: Omega Pythons [mailto[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 7:43 PM
To: George Kinsella
Subject: Re: A message about your ad on

Put them inside warm bath for 15 min

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 30, 2011, at 19:33, "George Kinsella" <[email protected]> wrote:
OMG are you kidding me? LolРІЂВ¦ I was in there with a micros cope looking all over them. Why the hell did they end up in the box?

From: Omega Pythons [mailto[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 7:20 PM
To: George Kinsella
Subject: Re: A message about your ad on

Rat mites.... Don't feed on snakes but are on all feeders.... Mike's and mine since we buy from same rat breeder.
Nothing to worry

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 30, 2011, at 18:59, "George Kinsella" <[email protected]> wrote:
So I got everyone today and they were all alive and kicking. Nikki busted out of the bag but that was no big deal. What did concern me was the box was loaded with mites

 

[RichsBallPythons]

First was a tiny calico that he said had eaten five times yet it was only 55 grams when I received her. She wouldn't eat anything .. I tried everything I could of ..dark tub .. everything. After almost a month I found out he was feeding everything ASF's which raised a flag with me (although if she ate one I would be very surprised). If he was feeding ASF's why not let the guy who is buying the snakes know this .. *he lost it*. After many weeks I finally got her to eat a couple of hopper mice and she is doing fine.

Why would feeding ASF raise red flags, I been feeding mice,rats, and asf to my hatchlings as they will accept mice or asf readily for the buyers.

This point really isnt valid when it comes to hatchlings eating ASF, Adults is a different story.

 

[laterob]

Huh?

Also inside the reptile express store i saw my snakes inside bags in an open box next to 10 at least other open boxes full of snakes from other breeders which one of them i recognize as the rat breeder which i stopped buying due to mites 6 months ago!!!!

Huh? I don't get it.

 

[Royal Clutch]

I will respond to you guys and answer your questions or concerns.

Rich: I just personally believe that if he told me the snake had eaten ASF's I may have tried one earlier. However he insisted I try rats. I didn't harp on it because in all truth I don't think the damn thing at all. My main concern was the snake was so undersized and he promised it would eat at least 5 times before shipping. I think I may have ball parked the snake at one point by looking at her to be 60 grams ..but when I actually weighed her she was 55 grams.

laterob: It was an obvious deflection to get the mite heat off of himself ..just part of the lie I needed everyone to see.

Here is his retaliation on my RC Feedback ... .
Fact 1: I am a small breeder/hobby reptile guy probably have as many snakes as Chris.
Fact 2: I spent probabaly close to 4K with Chris and he thinks I am a bad customer? hate to see a good one.
Fact 3: This shows his true character..again. I will not get into a piss fight..if I have to eat bad feedback from him so be it to save someone else the heartache .

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I dumped him as my customer once and I'm sure it will happen again by others!!!
Not that anyone will ever care about him since he is not a breeder but If someone wants info on that guy pls email me and I would gladly send you all the proof you need.
******

 

[RichsBallPythons]

Chances of a hatchling at 55 grams already down 5 meals is slim. Unless it was a small boob egg that hatched and a 30-40g baby emerged.

I always document a feeding in picture for my customer before its shipped out so they know its ate in my care to avoid situations like this.

 

[Show Me]

Since your both from Canada this thread probably would have been better off posted in the Canadian BOI. I seen there was another bad post about Omega Pythons recently however I haven't decided any opinion on the matter yet.

 

[leftycrane]

really?!?

George,
When I tell u something you should believe it cause I was at your spot 4 years ago.
Mites are mites.... Both look the same just some are eating cold blood some warm.... Like humans some are vegetarians some eat meat.... But all look human.
I know where I get my mites from and what kind are and I will send u pics tomorrow crawling on my rats.
Saying that if u like to cancel the monday purchase I will have no problem.
Chris.



If it was snake mites u would not be able to see them. For sure rat mites.

1. just because someone says something does not mean anyone should take their word for it. He is not the authority on all snake things.

2. Not able to see snake mites? I go in to petco all the time and see their snakes with mites...yes you can see snake mites!

If someone is going to go so far as to say this kind of stuff, he is someone to avoid IMO. Thanks for the heads up

 

[Reptilecam]

How can you not see mites on a snake? Thats just retarded! Mites are mites either way I wouldnt want them but he clearly has them on his rats that hes able to take pictures of them? I dont breed rats but is that common to have that bad of an infestation where you can just go take pictures the next day?
Im not sure if its the same in Canada but because ASF are illegal here in many of the states I would want to know if thats what he was feeding it seeing how I cant get them here in CA but who knows if Canada has those restrictions.

 

[Snake-Queen]

How can you not see mites on a snake? Thats just retarded!

2. Not able to see snake mites? I go in to petco all the time and see their snakes with mites...yes you can see snake mites!

I can tell you from my experience, that unless the snake has had them for a while, it is very hard to see mites. I have a few arabesque boas and it is nearly impossible to see mites unless they are large (adult) mites ready to fall off the snake. If the snake is an albino, the mites stand out readily, nut in my experience it is rather difficult to see mites without actual close up inspection of the snake.

 

[Royal Clutch]

Snake Queen: The shipping box was white and there was no mistake. I could see them on the snakes clear as day.

Lefty: Your welcome for the heads up...

Show Me: Your right ..I hadn't realised there actually was a Canadian BOI. I just knew I needed to share this story. I am going to try and post it there as well.

 

[Reptilecam]

Any new snake I get I do a good inspection specifically for mites. Simply running your hand down a snakes back that has mites and then looking at your hands will most of the time tell you if they have mites. Unless.it was the early stages like you said. But it not hard to see mites.

 

[DemmBalls]

Bad guy or not...The seller clearly either does not know much about snakes or is a big liar. probably both. And he has mites crawling all over his rats....That raises a big red flag to me! We have had snake mites one time and it was very obvious...even to (me) someone who never had mites. Heck...The buyer who never had mites before knew what they were too, but this "breeder" didn't know what they were. There are too many BP breeders out there to take a chance with someone like this. I will avoid this seller.

 

[RichsBallPythons]

How can you not see mites on a snake? Thats just retarded! Mites are mites either way I wouldnt want them but he clearly has them on his rats that hes able to take pictures of them? I dont breed rats but is that common to have that bad of an infestation where you can just go take pictures the next day?
Im not sure if its the same in Canada but because ASF are illegal here in many of the states I would want to know if thats what he was feeding it seeing how I cant get them here in CA but who knows if Canada has those restrictions.

Rat mites are very easy to notice, and if you breed them, you need to treat their enclosures at least once a week. The mites come from the wood bedding and can get out of hand fast if not kept in check.

These mites wont harm reptiles at all even if ingested. If happens, when using wood shaving bedding.

 

[Reptilecam]

Rat mites are very easy to notice, and if you breed them, you need to treat their enclosures at least once a week. The mites come from the wood bedding and can get out of hand fast if not kept in check.

These mites wont harm reptiles at all even if ingested. If happens, when using wood shaving bedding.

Well I guess as long as it doesnt hurt the quality of your food its not a big deal. I just was not familiar with rat mites and how common they are on them.

 

[Royal Clutch]

It should also be noted that once I researched and asked a good friend in my area who breeds balls as well I was able to clear the problem up really quickly. Snake mites are only dangerous if not treated and I just had not been exposed to them before; it caught me by surprise. I am and have been completely mite free for some time and I am far more knowledgeable about them now ...including rat mites.

 

[Slim]

This past summer I had bought some snakes from Chris at Omega Pythons.

Why did you wait this long to do a Bag Guy thread?

 

[Reptilecam]

Wasnt that long ago, He does say he was tortured the last couple months whether or not to write this. But I think thats kind of off topic.

Has Omega been made aware of this thread?

 

[Captive Bred Excellence]

mites

I apprieciate the post and heads up regarding this breeder but would also like to hear his side before reaching a conclusion. Mites are never acceptable and the breeder should take care of that.

Tad Fitzgerald

 

[Pasodama]

Has Omega been made aware of this thread?

I apprieciate the post and heads up regarding this breeder but would also like to hear his side before reaching a conclusion. Mites are never acceptable and the breeder should take care of that.

He is replying, &/or wrote his response, here:
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1429364#post1429364

 

[Captive Bred Excellence]

Thanks for link. Omega pythons (Chris) sounds like a very resonable breeder to me, always good to hear both sides. George you should not have posted this as a bad guy thread. Your inexperiance with ball pythons and feeding them is obvious, the mites were unfortunate but Chris handled it very well in my opinion.

Tad Fitzgerald