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Just got these tonight at a really good deal. The guy said the female was a leather or leather back and the male is a red something. Could someone please tell me what they are if possible? Thanks. The male is on the left and female on right.
 

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This question would be best answered by the person you bought them from, that way he can tell you if they are het for anything.
 
Excuse my ignorance but I'm not sure what that means. Also he just told me the male is a red and the female is an Italian leather back.
 
the male (top pic) does have red (looks red in the pic) in him being red doesnt always mean solid red
the female (bottom pic) is a leather back
so if thats all he told you about them then your doing fine
very nice dragons
het is a term used for a non visual recessive trait (hypo,clear nails)
but like ed said your best is asking the person who sold them to you about if they are hets or not
 
they are worth what you paid for them there really is no standard for prices more of a sliding scale but the most important thing is are you happy with them
 
Yes I am very happy with them. I was just curious because when they are older I would like to breed them and sell the babies. I am lost at what they would sell for because I have seen leather back dragons go anywhere from $150.00 to $300. Same with red ones. I guess I was curious as to how to how one justifies the price?:shrug01:
 
are their nails clear?

They look so identical is size/color that I'm assuming they are almost certainly siblings. So I wouldn't breed them together, and let anyone buying them know not to either.

There are a lot of things to consider when trying to put a price on dragons. Like size (they are well started), color (they have decent color), and genes like hypo, trans, leather (they don't have much there). It also depends on how fast you want to sell them. I'm kind of hesitant to put exact numbers out there just because of how much opinions will likely vary. How about you tell us how much you paid, and we tell you if you got a good deal or overpaid?

its kind of hard to tell from pictures, but it looks like that female is getting close to shedding. If that is the case, she will probably look a lot better after she does.
 
DragonLover0423 said:
Yes I am very happy with them. I was just curious because when they are older I would like to breed them and sell the babies. I am lost at what they would sell for because I have seen leather back dragons go anywhere from $150.00 to $300. Same with red ones. I guess I was curious as to how to how one justifies the price?:shrug01:
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leatherback is 1 genetic trait. The ones up at the prices you mentioned probably also had hypo and translucent genes in the mix. A ready to breed adult will also be worth more money than a baby.
 
The male is 1 inch bigger and weighs 6 more grams. Not sure if they are from same clutch. If they are, and they breed, will the hatchlings come out deformed? I paid $225.00 for the pair. They're nails are not clear.
 
That sounds like a reasonable price. If I were you, I would keep the female, sell the male, and look for a different male to breed with her. I'd bet money they are related, and inbreeding is highly frowned upon. Also if you get a leatherback male you can make silkbacks which are pretty cool
 
Yea I saw those they do look cool. I am waiting to hear from the guy I purchased them from to see if they are from same clutch. I am hoping not. Other than inbreeding being frowned upon, is their any other reason it should NOT be done? Not saying I would ever do that, hence what you just told me. I'm just getting into this hobby and want to know all I can. Thanks:)
 
It's inbreeding lol sooo many things can go wrong sometimes with new traits they have to be line bred but it's not pretty what happends glad I don't have to deal with it
 
Well good news is these are not from same clutch. He said he had a male that bred with two of his females. So they have the same father but different mother. Is that okay to breed them?
 
Well I think this is good news. The guy I got them from said the leather back is 100% het for hypo(whatever that means?) and the red is 66% het for hypo. Appernetly I misunderstood him because these are from different mother and fateher. Both 4 months old.
 
I would still bet money they are siblings. It might be bold of me to say so, but I think one you are not telling the truth. Those 2 look way to identical. From the color, to the side bars, to the age, for me to believe someone produced them from unrelated parents at the exact same time.
 
Okay yea because you're a pyschic. You've no right to judge me! Not telling the truth? Why would I lie about some bearded dragons? Come on leave the high school kid shit behind. I am grown, married and have kids. My goal in life is not to come to the internet and lie about a few hundred dollars worth of dragons. Maybe the dragons are siblings, maybe they aren't. I was told they weren't and why the hell would anyone lie about that anyways? But for you to blatantly attack my honesty is not right. You don't even know me. I think a much better alternative would have been to ask, "Are you sure the person you got the dragons from is telling the truth?" I didn't come here to spark any sort of animosity. On the contrary, just the opposite. I've been here only a few days, and already was insulted. Next time you feel brazen to be so judgemental and persnickety, please do so to someone you actually know. Thanks.
 
You need to calm down. I said ONE OF YOU. I dont know you, or the person you bought them from, so how would I know what either of you would or wouldn't say or why? They LOOK LIKE siblings. They damn near look like twins. They came from the same place, are the same age, and apparently both het hypo. I call things as I see them. And you fly off the handle and give me a bad reputation level? hahaha ok guy. have a drink and take some deep breaths.

For all I know the guy lied to you for whatever reason. Or they aren't even related and its all just coincidental. Whatever the case me be, I don't really have a reason to care. I came here trying to help you.
 
Well if you go back and read your post, it says one you. There is no "of" in your sentence. Like I said before maybe the guy is lying, maybe he isn't, but if he is lying, the question becomes, why? Is there any way to be certain that they are or aren't siblings? If they are I am obviously not going to be breeding them.
 
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