Bad Guy Beware of Jerry Kruse

[Lucille]

Can't imagine anyone wanting to deal with him

After the last couple days posts, I don't think I'd deal with the jerryminions either.

 

[WebSlave]

Hey POT, did this end good for Stu?

In my opinion, no, it did not. He wanted the snakes much more than he wanted to money, otherwise he wouldn't have spent the money in the first place for them. And what price can you put on the time and hassle he has had to go through during all of this just to get (most of) his money back into his pocket?

 

[scaledverts]

He said he was "pleased", that is happy. Hey I'm not saying anything bad about Stu, he was completely right in every part of this. The coustomer usually always is, but if the point of this was to get a refund, not to get healthy snakes and he got it. That is a good ending. No need to defend the facts!

One of the points of this BOI is that a refund wasn't forthcoming UNTIL there was pressure put on him. I think the true point of this that people should not deal with Jerry! The fact that you keep trying to distort and redefine words Stu used (which I'm sure were chosen VERY carefully), just shows me that you are looking to turn this into a "Look Jerry did what he was supposed to" thread. That simply is not going to happen because he did not do what he was supposed to do.

Hey POT, did this end good for Stu?

NO, that could not be further from the truth. How could this end "good" for Stu? Just because he FINALLY got his money back (granted in two separate payments which is unacceptable IMO), does not mean this ended good for him. He exposed his collection to zonata disease unnecessarily, had to deal with the stress of sick snakes that he was hoping would make it, THEN had to deal with an uncooperative seller, and finally has to continually restate that this did NOT END GOOD for him to Jerry's supporters.

That about sums it up.

 

[Gerards]

In my opinion, no, it did not. He wanted the snakes much more than he wanted to money, otherwise he wouldn't have spent the money in the first place for them. And what price can you put on the time and hassle he has had to go through during all of this just to get (most of) his money back into his pocket?

So did he want a refund or new animals in the beginning? The price of the time is......a good question, what is the norm of the BOI for bad guys refunding people? Is it hourly or by post? Come on, the situation was not good but the ending was. Im not defending anything, just saying what I see. Im glad Stu got his money back, if that's not what he wanted then I don't know why he asked for it. Maybe I missed where he asked for new animals. If so, I'm sorry he didn't get them.

 

[thomas davis]

HAHAHA

He said he was "pleased", that is happy. Hey I'm not saying anything bad about Stu, he was completely right in every part of this. The coustomer usually always is, but if the point of this was to get a refund, not to get healthy snakes and he got it. That is a good ending. No need to defend the facts!

see what you miserably FAIL to comprehend is that stu wanted healthy snakes thus him initially sending jerry 3100.00, what he got has been shown as how he was treated by jerry. then the fact it took this post and the better part of 4 months to get re-imbursed is NOT really a "good" ending in my or anyone else's book well except yours apparently.
you say jerry is a "good guy" but i really wonder how you would feel if that shoe was on your foot. words like "pleased" and "good ending" simply dont apply.
perhaps oneday you will find out on your own. i believe anyone who has read how jerry "handles" his business can make up their own mind as whether or not to do business with jerry and in that vein thats what the BOI is all about.
showing/exposing truth with FACTS.

 

[Gerards]

One of the points of this BOI is that a refund wasn't forthcoming UNTIL there was pressure put on him. I think the true point of this that people should not deal with Jerry! The fact that you keep trying to distort and redefine words Stu used (which I'm sure were chosen VERY carefully), just shows me that you are looking to turn this into a "Look Jerry did what he was supposed to" thread. That simply is not going to happen because he did not do what he was supposed to do.
NO, that could not be further from the truth. How could this end "good" for Stu? Just because he FINALLY got his money back (granted in two separate payments which is unacceptable IMO), does not mean this ended good for him. He exposed his collection to zonata disease unnecessarily, had to deal with the stress of sick snakes that he was hoping would make it, THEN had to deal with an uncooperative seller, and finally has to continually restate that this did NOT END GOOD for him to Jerry's supporters.

That about sums it up.

More opinions, not facts. The ZD poped up after the fact, not shipped showing signs. It's very common and most Zonata keepers have had or will have it. it doesn't mean you whole collection is infected.

As for the deal, I'm not defending that. In think Stu was more than in the right and deserved his refund. I'm not talking about that, it's about it ending with Stu getting a refund and not getting told to go to hell(a good ending).
So my opinion is not acceptable unless I'm trying to smear someone I only know from online? I do not remember saying anything about what kind of person he is or the good things he has done for me. I'm just saying that at the end of this transaction he did the right thing and refunded Stu. That is my opinion.

Stu, you should feel happy you got a refund, plenty of people have been screwed out of there money in similar situations, even when posted here. Good luck with the rest of your animals. I will leave it to the many now, I have to go look for eggs.

 

[scaledverts]

More opinions, not facts. The ZD poped up after the fact, not shipped showing signs. It's very common and most Zonata keepers have had or will have it. it doesn't mean you whole collection is infected.

So your "facts" are that these snakes managed to get ZD while in Stu's care then??????? RIIIIIGHT. It doesn't matter if they were shipped like that or not, they CLEARLY came from Jerry's collection. If he didn't have them separate from the rest of his collection, most of his collection is at risk..FACT.

One of the points of this BOI is that a refund wasn't forthcoming UNTIL there was pressure put on him. I think the true point of this that people should not deal with Jerry! The fact that you keep trying to distort and redefine words Stu used (which I'm sure were chosen VERY carefully), just shows me that you are looking to turn this into a "Look Jerry did what he was supposed to" thread. That simply is not going to happen because he did not do what he was supposed to do.

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As for the deal, I'm not defending that. In think Stu was more than in the right and deserved his refund. I'm not talking about that, it's about it ending with Stu getting a refund and not getting told to go to hell(a good ending).
So my opinion is not acceptable unless I'm trying to smear someone I only know from online? I do not remember saying anything about what kind of person he is or the good things he has done for me. I'm just saying that at the end of this transaction he did the right thing and refunded Stu. That is my opinion.

It's like I'm Nostradamus or something....that didn't take you long to come out and say it geeze.

Stu, you should feel happy you got a refund, plenty of people have been screwed out of there money in similar situations, even when posted here. Good luck with the rest of your animals. I will leave it to the many now, I have to go look for eggs.

Yes, Stu. Why are you not happy about getting a refund after all the crap you had to go through to get it. I don't understand.

 

[DesertRat73]

Wow. Why is this being discussed? Gerard has his opinion... the rest of the posters here think he's wrong... end of discussion. STOP FEEDING THE TROLL. Hope that last check goes through for ya Stu.

 

[rattler]

Absolutely no spinning. I didn't comment if I was in agreement with the comments or not. I simply stated he didn't attack the man's family as someone else stated and that is a FACT, Steve. But since you brought it up, there was nothing negative at all about the " family" in that post and several of you went overboard in your reaction to it.

Matter of fact, I pretty much stated the exact same thing in another thread on here. I stated to Mr. Wise who stole the funds that were donated to the children and wife of a member of this site that passed away that I hope one day his children finds the thread and reads what he has done. I meant it and wouldn't change a word.

Obviously, this is a different situation. One can agree or not agree that it wasn't right for someone state that "your kid might read this someday" but that isn't a overly harsh statement and you and others are absolutely ridiculous to make such a big deal about it.

My personal opinion of Jerry from what I have learned as this transaction has progressed here is that Jerry is untrustworthy and a liar. If I thought that his actions might be honest, I might mention, " Hey, you sure you want to do that? Someone might read this one day." I'd do it. Let's just wait and see if Stu gets all his funds back first.

The point is that there was no reason to mention a mans son since he has nothing to do with the subject matter. Anyone who sees nothing wrong with that needs help.

 

[laterob]

AAAAARRRRGGGGGHHHHH! Jerry, come back!!!!!

 

[Chris Kennard]

This thread was successful, a long time ago, in letting people make a rational judgement as to whether to deal with these guys in the future or not. All the information needed has been presented.

 

[Amelanistic Orca]

This thread was successful, a long time ago, in letting people make a rational judgement as to whether to deal with these guys in the future or not. All the information needed has been presented.

There are so many people not to deal with thanks to this thread!

 

[WebSlave]

This thread was successful, a long time ago, in letting people make a rational judgement as to whether to deal with these guys in the future or not. All the information needed has been presented.

Did someone hear the fat lady sing? Because I certainly haven't.....

 

[Bobby O]

Buyer Beware Jerry Kruse....

I just got a lovely e-mail from Jerry Kruse (see below).

"....April 22nd big mouth. "

This message was sent to you by the user: JKruse
from ----------.com - Herpforum at http://forums.---------.com
Submitted from ip: 96.250.40.5

He apparently misses me and wants to see me at the upcoming White Plains show. If I do get a chance go there how do I find you Jerry? Are you gonna have a table with your cheesy little computer display of other people's zonatas or do I have to look around for the middle aged guy with male pattern baldness? Is it my imagination or does Jerry still think childish threats scare us? I guess it probably worked for him when he was a child in the sandbox bullying kids younger than him.

 

[hhmoore]

The point is that there was no reason to mention a mans son since he has nothing to do with the subject matter. Anyone who sees nothing wrong with that needs help.

Really? You are still harping on that, despite (2) moderator interventions on the subject?.....despite (2) people receiving short term bans?
For clarification, that is not the point. That is a disruptive side topic. One of the (sometimes unfortunate) side effects of us not editing the content of people's posts is that they stay here for all to see. We just have to hope that participants know when to quit; and when they don't, we have to push the issue to convince them.
Wes' comment is not up for ongoing discussion. The only reason I haven't already submitted your ban to emphasize this point is you were directly responding to Dennis' post (which was made to address comments about an attack on Jerry's family)...of course, if his post was directed at you, it might still happen.

 

[Mitchell Mulks]

Maybe jail is the only thing that will work.

Jerry's email sent to Bobby O can only be construed as a threat.

"....April 22nd big mouth. "

What can be said in person any differently than has been said between the two of you here on the BOI pages? Even if Bobby O were to repeat everything to Jerry, right to his face, there is nothing Jerry can do about it. However, this email of Jerry's is threatening, and is consistent with how he's threatened others, both before this thread and during it. This is not high school, this is a society where we are expected to behave like adults, a society where threatening text messages and emails are unacceptable under any conditions. In the State of New York, an email such as the one received by Bobby O from Jerry, is considered illegal and is punishable by up to a year in jail. Seeing as how this is behavior Jerry seems to repeatedly engage in, maybe law enforcement should finally get involved. Below is the law that states Jerry has committed a prosecutable offense:

Posts Tagged ‘threatening’

Before you send that threatening email or text message, or scream in anger at someone over the phone, you should take a deep breath and stop to consider whether you might actually be committing a crime by doing so. In New York state, Aggravated Harassment in the Second Degree (Penal Law 240.30) is a Class A misdemeanor punishable by up to 1 year in jail. A person is guilty of this crime, when, with intent to harass, annoy, threaten or alarm another person, he or she:

1. Either (a) communicates with a person, anonymously or otherwise, by telephone, by telegraph, or by mail, or by transmitting or delivering any other form of written communication, in a manner likely to cause annoyance or alarm; or (b) causes a communication to be initiated by mechanical or electronic means or otherwise with a person, anonymously or otherwise, by telephone, by telegraph, or by mail, or by transmitting or delivering any other form of written communication, in a manner likely to cause annoyance or alarm; or

2. Makes a telephone call, whether or not a conversation ensues, with no purpose of legitimate communication; or

3. Strikes, shoves, kicks, or otherwise subjects another person to physical contact, or attempts or threatens to do the same because of a belief or perception regarding such person’s race, color, national origin, ancestry, gender, religion, religious practice, age, disability or sexual orientation, regardless of whether the belief or perception is correct; or

4. Commits the crime of harassment in the first degree and has previously been convicted of the crime of harassment in the first degree as defined by section 240.25 of this article within the preceding ten years.

Physical Threats of any kind should be taken seriously and handled swiftly and without leniency.

Mitch

 

[JerryKruse]

Stu,

hope that first check has been deposited and thank you for accepting the one dated for 4/13. All will be fine in that arena.

As for others, well.....you all really have nothing better to do huh. Bottom line, if you have something to say I think it all the more meaningful to discuss it face to face. words on a screen mean little and I have found that given body language, tone of voice, and a more intimate personal exchange often leads to understanding, perhaps in one way or another. Yeah Bobbo, you are a big mouth....however that is certainly not construed as a threat. As for an annoyance, well, Bob and Mitch (as well as at least another have certainly proved to be just as annoying). So thanks for the typical passive-aggressive tendency Mitch, but at least I am trying to communicate here and not categorizing someone to be damned for eternity (sounds familiar I'm sure). So Bobbo, cup of coffee is on me should you be adventurous enough to bring that big mouth of yours and discuss your gripe. There are far too many olive branches awaiting and far too many unnecessary axes grinding all along. I'm at the half way mark, as I've always been. But remember -- sarcasm, condescendingness, and aggression beget the same.

I have not said a word for almost a week, and look at the twists and turns you all have created even after Stu is being refunded. That, too, speaks "volumes" as Tom likes to say. Yes, this all could have been avoided had I reacted immediately to Stu's demand for an immediate refund. I understand this! But I didn't, and I've already explained myself many, many times over already. This dead horse we've beaten has decayed already. Any zonata owner is now, I'm sure, looking at their charges in a very different light (myself included) even if their collection demonstrates no outward illness (myself included). Not an easy situation to be in especially when one has a passion for them. What more needs to be said? For those that are determined to think I would've screwed Stu over.....THAT IS YOUR PREROGATIVE and there's absolutely nothing I can do to change that. Had Stu afforded me the ability to try and balance my personal matters and the extremely concerning situation arising over the animals' condition after having received them, yes I would most definitely have taken the SAME ACTION I did here and provided that refund. No question about it. I would have needed some time in doing so, but the bottom line is that the refund would have made over some time. There is not one person who has contributed to this unnecessarily long thread that has not, in one point in their life, been able to meet every demand that life has at the very same time. Call it "the perfect storm" if you will, but sometimes we ALL experience so many things going on at once that we have to drop a ball or two to try and balance it all out. And that's what happened between Stu and I -- NOT me ditching him or avoiding him in the hopes he'd just go away. There was never any indication of this nor would there have been (BOI or not). Period.

Time to move forward.

 

[Chris Kennard]

Fat lady, schmat lady...

Did someone hear the fat lady sing? Because I certainly haven't.....

I'm sure that if a poll were taken, the majority of people reading this thread don't need the fat lady to sing at this point to decide whether or not to deal with Jerry. Maybe you would risk it, I don't know. Do ya' think Stu needs the "fat lady" to sing?

 

[Focal]

Has the final check cleared yet?

 

[Bobby O]

Stop flinging your horse bunk Jerry

I don't think ANYONE believes you would of paid Stu back if he didn't bring you onto the BOI. Even after he brought you onto the BOI I didn't think you had any intention of paying him back (hence the delay in response due to "personal issues") until you saw the response of the majority of people here who obviously thought you were in the wrong. And sadly enough, with your last personal e-mail to me, it's obvious you haven't learnt a thing or changed one bit from this BOI. Please stop shoveling your sh#t on us.