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Bad Guy Andrew Potts- I want my money back

baldboa777 said:
My two cents:I think he sent you a dead snake in some type of insurance scam thing.. meaning you would get your snake plus he would get reimbursed for the dead snake he intentionally mailed you..Sorry this happened to you,and i hope it all works out. -Jason
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Im not sure I understand this. Did you read the whol thread?
 
baldboa777 said:
My two cents:I think he sent you a dead snake in some type of insurance scam thing.. meaning you would get your snake plus he would get reimbursed for the dead snake he intentionally mailed you..Sorry this happened to you,and i hope it all works out. -Jason
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"X files Music plays in the background"

Seriously?? of the absurd comments on this abortion of a thread , this one takes the cake.What made you come to this conclusion? plz take your time and enlighten all of us on your theory. What type of insurance would cover this??
 
ozz465 said:
What type of insurance would cover this??
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From post #7 of this thread:
March 20th
Kevin, I'm not requesting that you return the deceased boa to be a pain but it's needed for any possible insurance claim we might be able to pursue with our Insurance carrier. ...
March 21st
Kevin, It just occured to me that Sean thinks I'm filing a claim with FedEx and need his help, I don't. FYI I couldn't file a claim for anything from FedEx because the package was delivered on time and I had no declared value. The Insurance claim is with the company I have our boa and ball collections insured with, most big breeders have similar insurance and coverage.
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Despite clear proof that the snake was dead, the seller absolutely refused a refund without receiving the body back. It does seem kinda odd to me given the abundance of photographic proof.

ozz465 said:
Seriously?? of the absurd comments on this abortion of a thread , this one takes the cake.What made you come to this conclusion? plz take your time and enlighten all of us on your theory.
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Reptilecam's theory doesn't seem any more far-fetched than others that have been thrown proposed.

Robert Potts said:
How do you know it wasn't alive and Sean killed it intentionally. I admit my shipping was for cold weather but there's still a chance it could arrive alive and the criminal Sean killed it.
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I don't buy into either side's conspiracy theories, but if the seller wants to throw wild speculation into the mix, what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
 
I would issue a refund and place the buyer on the do not sell to list. Higher dollar sales such as this will result in folks doing their homework. When they do, they will stumble upon this thread. Holding the money for a reason that may or may not be true, only harms your reputation. Do you really want to risk your rep on a suspicion?
 
ApexPredatorBoids said:
From post #7 of this thread:


Despite clear proof that the snake was dead, the seller absolutely refused a refund without receiving the body back. It does seem kinda odd to me given the abundance of photographic proof.



Reptilecam's theory doesn't seem any more far-fetched than others that have been thrown proposed.



I don't buy into either side's conspiracy theories, but if the seller wants to throw wild speculation into the mix, what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
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interesting ,thank you for that .but suggesting the plan was from the start to scam the insurance provider is a rather big claim to make .
 
If Andrew Potts is producing High End Animals, shouldn't he know how to pack them, and ship them properly?

I can see how the buyer, Kevin and his partner, Sean would think that Andrew was trying to do something funny... Shipping a dead animal to make a claim on shipping insurance... And wanting the dead animal back was really important...

I am not saying that Sean was right to ask for an upgrade to their DOA Boa...

But, it looks bad for Andrew Potts to try and justify NO replacement animal and NO money back!!!

Now that we all have a good idea of what happen... Andrew and Kevin can settle this...
 
HerpHobbiest said:
If Andrew Potts is producing High End Animals, shouldn't he know how to pack them, and ship them properly?

I can see how the buyer, Kevin and his partner, Sean would think that Andrew was trying to do something funny... Shipping a dead animal to make a claim on shipping insurance... And wanting the dead animal back was really important...

I am not saying that Sean was right to ask for an upgrade to their DOA Boa...

But, it looks bad for Andrew Potts to try and justify NO replacement animal and NO money back!!!

Now that we all have a good idea of what happen... Andrew and Kevin can settle this...
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Might be best for this specific thread and situation that people with your own BOI thread refrain from chiming in .
 
Because you've already been caught trying to defraud people with enhanced pics.

I also think it's funny that you consider that email from Sean "asking" for a higher end animal. I don't know what universe you live in where that was "asking", but I'm sure it's the same one where that pic you took of that sunglow in your avatar is unaltered.

Andrew, can I make a suggestion? Why don't you give me a call at 828 665 6969. I learned something concerning your options that you might find interesting and maybe all of this can come to a resolution. I have been a fan of the Aztecs and always enjoyed talking to you at the Daytona shows when I've gone and I would really hate for you to shoot yourself in foot over these jokers.

Chris
 
I am surprised that I am the first person asking this after 225 plus posts.

What were the TOS that were discussed / in place on this transaction? That will dictate what the remedy due is.

The blackmail issue aside, if there were no firm TOS in place or discussed then the remedy is usually up to the seller. It sounds like a suitable replacement animal is still available. Given the rancor and questionable acts perpetrated by the seller and his cronies, I think the best solution is a hand delivery to the next local show. A refund would be easier but the seller is not obligated to choose that course.


Just my take...carry on with the public flogging!:thumbsup:
 
I have a feeling replacement value would be hard to agree upon for both parties. Along with any issues that may come in the few days after the snake is received. Also this group of people should just not deal with each other anymore. A safer solution for all parties would just be to refund what was paid and be done with it (minus legal action on any blackmailing if desired)
 
Andrew needs to just refund the money and make a note never to deal with these guys again. It sucks for him, but that's the only way to fairly resolve it. You live and you learn.
 
I'm half tempted to give you good karma for the best laugh I've had this year


But...NOT.

HerpHobbiest said:
If Andrew Potts is producing High End Animals, shouldn't he know how to pack them, and ship them properly?

I can see how the buyer, Kevin and his partner, Sean would think that Andrew was trying to do something funny... Shipping a dead animal to make a claim on shipping insurance... And wanting the dead animal back was really important...

I am not saying that Sean was right to ask for an upgrade to their DOA Boa...

But, it looks bad for Andrew Potts to try and justify NO replacement animal and NO money back!!!

Now that we all have a good idea of what happen... Andrew and Kevin can settle this...
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IANAL, but from my understanding of things:

FACT:
Robert Potts said:
Kevin will tell your shipping carrier that a snake wasn't in the box so you can get your CLAIM.
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This statement, in fact, is the most prosecutable of all, as it constitutes mail fraud, as a false and intentional claim of unreceived goods in order to get an insurance payout is an attempt to defraud the insurance company.

FACT: There is not actually any legal "blackmail" case here, as the threat was to go tell lies about Andrew, not to reveal a truth unless compensated. All the statements they were threatening are lies, so there's no blackmail.

FACT: There is, however, a LIBEL case here -- if they were blasting lies about him all over forums, in a way that harmed his business, he could easily bring a libel charge against them. All the statements they were threatening are lies, so it's libel instead.

Andrew: a FACT for YOU. Even if they had killed the snake on delivery out of spite, there is NO POSSIBLE WAY to have made it appear in that advanced a state of decomposition within an hour or two out of the box. Their feud with you aside, given the state of the corpse, it HAD to have been dead upon receipt.
 
why didnt the guy just accept his money back when he got offered?

he got two of his boys talking for him cuz he just got burned for 4.5k. i would do the same thing

who cares if he is a known snake breeder. the guy put two heat packs to send to a 80 degree destination from florida. people make mistakes even the best.

hes probably high as hell and is paranoid the guy intentionally killed the snake on purpose and feels they are crooks cuz he associates with people he dosent like. what a joke. this poor guy is out 4.5k and no snake?? lmfao.

i wonder what this guy is going to do with his money.. buy a motorcycle??
 
SirenSanJose said:
IANAL, but from my understanding of things:

FACT:

This statement, in fact, is the most prosecutable of all, as it constitutes mail fraud, as a false and intentional claim of unreceived goods in order to get an insurance payout is an attempt to defraud the insurance company.

FACT: There is not actually any legal "blackmail" case here, as the threat was to go tell lies about Andrew, not to reveal a truth unless compensated. All the statements they were threatening are lies, so there's no blackmail.

FACT: There is, however, a LIBEL case here -- if they were blasting lies about him all over forums, in a way that harmed his business, he could easily bring a libel charge against them. All the statements they were threatening are lies, so it's libel instead.

Andrew: a FACT for YOU. Even if they had killed the snake on delivery out of spite, there is NO POSSIBLE WAY to have made it appear in that advanced a state of decomposition within an hour or two out of the box. Their feud with you aside, given the state of the corpse, it HAD to have been dead upon receipt.
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Actually there is a legal blackmail case here. Legal blackmail is not just about revealing truths, but false claims as well. So the fact is that andrew can file a case against them for both blackmail and libel.
 
edrizzle said:
why didnt the guy just accept his money back when he got offered?

he got two of his boys talking for him cuz he just got burned for 4.5k. i would do the same thing

who cares if he is a known snake breeder. the guy put two heat packs to send to a 80 degree destination from florida. people make mistakes even the best.

hes probably high as hell and is paranoid the guy intentionally killed the snake on purpose and feels they are crooks cuz he associates with people he dosent like. what a joke. this poor guy is out 4.5k and no snake?? lmfao.

i wonder what this guy is going to do with his money.. buy a motorcycle??
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I dont understand what your last 2 paragraphs are about. But I will say I was never offered a refund.
 
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