Bad Guy Andrew Potts- I want my money back

[meowmeowkazoo]

Buyer purchases $4500 animal.
Seller ships animal incorrectly, which leads to animal's death.
Seller refuses to refund buyer's money.

This is all it boils down to. The blackmail is an entirely different issue.

The only reason any of this happened is because you did not ship properly. The blackmail would not have happened. The drama would not have happened. The slander would not have happened.

You did not ship properly, the buyer received a dead animal, and regardless of what happens after that, you are still responsible for that dead animal and your upset customer.

It is your fault the animal is dead. You are legally obligated to return his money, or you are STEALING from him. As in, you are engaging in criminal behavior here. This isn't a case of "Oh, these random people on the Internet won't like me anymore," it's a case of you literally breaking the law.

 

[Robert Potts]

Buyer purchases $4500 animal.
Seller ships animal incorrectly, which leads to animal's death.
Seller refuses to refund buyer's money.

This is all it boils down to. The blackmail is an entirely different issue.

The only reason any of this happened is because you did not ship properly. The blackmail would not have happened. The drama would not have happened. The slander would not have happened.

You did not ship properly, the buyer received a dead animal, and regardless of what happens after that, you are still responsible for that dead animal and your upset customer.

It is your fault the animal is dead. You are legally obligated to return his money, or you are STEALING from him. As in, you are engaging in criminal behavior here. This isn't a case of "Oh, these random people on the Internet won't like me anymore," it's a case of you literally breaking the law.

Sarah I'm glad you think I deserve the Black-mail. Andrew

 

[Suncoast Herpetological]

If I may, If it was worth $.50 I wouldn't give him his money back. Andrew

Pretty sad Andrew. Ah well...enough time wasted on this one.

 

[Robert Potts]

So mad, I copied every single e-mail ever between Sean, Connor, Kevin and myself then I made a boo boo and they were gone. I'll try again tomorrow. Andrew

 

[Fangthane]

So mad, I copied every single e-mail ever between Sean, Connor, Kevin and myself then I made a boo boo and they were gone. I'll try again tomorrow. Andrew

Your inept shipping practices killed his boa. Anything beyond that yet another ham handed attempt at rationalization, from a delusional mind. You have suspicions that Kevin was involved in supposed blackmail attempts. Guess what: Your posts have given everyone reading this thread outright proof that you are making the conscious choice to commit theft. Guilt trumps suspicion any day of the week.

You made it a point to try to convince people here that you're stupid. Contratulations, I think most of us are convinced. It's the ONLY aspect of this trainwreck that you've handled properly.

 

[laterob]

And, so what, Andrew? Guy says, "I want my money back or a Ferrari". Then, you should say, "It's nice to dream, but would you like a comparable snake or a refund?"

I think you've done yourself more harm than they could have, whoever they are.

 

[SteveinIL]

Sarah I'm glad you think I deserve the Black-mail. Andrew

At this point you deserve a lot worse for stealing almost $4600. Return the money to the buyer then pursue legal recourse against Sean. It is the only logical thing to do.

Anyone that reads this will hesitate to purchase any high dollar animals from you if not out right refuse to do business with you.

As almost everyone has pointed out and even you agreed that the animal died to your improper shipping method. Anything that happened beyond that between you and the upset friends of the buyer is another matter. You have NO defense in this. Refund his money and let him take his business to someone that knows how to properly ship. At this point if I were him I would not want a replacement animal and have to wait till October Tinley.

The longer this thread goes the longer this will stay near the top of the search on google and the more business you will ultimately lose.

 

[thomas davis]

At this point you deserve a lot worse for stealing almost $4600. Return the money to the buyer then pursue legal recourse against Sean. It is the only logical thing to do.

Anyone that reads this will hesitate to purchase any high dollar animals from you if not out right refuse to do business with you.

As almost everyone has pointed out and even you agreed that the animal died to your improper shipping method. Anything that happened beyond that between you and the upset friends of the buyer is another matter. You have NO defense in this. Refund his money and let him take his business to someone that knows how to properly ship. At this point if I were him I would not want a replacement animal and have to wait till October Tinley.

The longer this thread goes the longer this will stay near the top of the search on google and the more business you will ultimately lose.

you cannot just keep his money for your shipping mistake.

 

[laterob]

That's like, 976-0, Andrew. Quit fooling yourself.

 

[deborahbroadus]

Wow! Over 18K views!! 18+ THOUSAND potential customers have read this.

 

[bobtard]

Man, lots of winners on here lately.

 

[Morelia4life]

I think it is clear at this point that Mr. Potts is not going to give the OP his money back. I believe it is best for the OP to just pursue legal action to obtain his money back. Some people are just too greedy and can't see past that. Money can make people that way and it is a sad that but as Mr. Potts puts it, "such is life". It seems like more and more people are losing focus of making an honest living and just wanting to scam their way through life and not care about the people they hurt.

People can preach all they want about doing the right thing but it doesn't mean if they actually don't do the right thing. Clearly, Mr. Potts likes to preach about doing the right thing but when it boils down to it, he doesn't care about the right thing, all he cares about is $$$$.

 

[Baileykm]

Hey quick question for anyone out there reading this. But does anyone know if Andrew has done business in Illinois before?

 

[deborahbroadus]

I think it is clear at this point that Mr. Potts is not going to give the OP his money back. I believe it is best for the OP to just pursue legal action to obtain his money back. Some people are just too greedy and can't see past that. Money can make people that way and it is a sad that but as Mr. Potts puts it, "such is life". It seems like more and more people are losing focus of making an honest living and just wanting to scam their way through life and not care about the people they hurt.

People can preach all they want about doing the right thing but it doesn't mean if they actually don't do the right thing. Clearly, Mr. Potts likes to preach about doing the right thing but when it boils down to it, he doesn't care about the right thing, all he cares about is $$$$.

I think it would be wise to remember the names of any breeders who supported Pott's actions.

My drugs are kicking in...I just had a thought: Soon, Potts won't have a pot to pi$$ in....giggles...just a random thought.

 

[David Reid]

It looks like no matter how many people say Potts is wrong, he has talked himself into believing he is right, and that the perceived black mail threat over rides the fact that he has now stolen $4000 from someone.

Anyone remember Neil from way back when. He acted like this Potts character, but the big difference was, Neil always seemed to snap back to reality and ended up doing the right thing. I hope people bump this thread on a monthly basis.

Dave

 

[HopingForBabies]

Did I not read in this thread that Potts is not holding any animals back in one of his emails? I can't find it now. Maybe he is getting out and does not care about reputation anymore..

 

[ShadowAceD]

Did I not read in this thread that Potts is not holding any animals back in one of his emails? I can't find it now. Maybe he is getting out and does not care about reputation anymore..

Andrew is not exiting boa breeding.

He is just that arrogant and stubbrn.

 

[crotalusadamanteus]

Did I not read in this thread that Potts is not holding any animals back in one of his emails? I can't find it now.

You mean this one?

A different male apotts60 to baileykm86 - Mar 20More Details From: apotts60 <[email protected]>Hide .
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Date:Tue, Mar 20, 2012 9:44 pm.
2011_male_Orange-tail_Hytec_Parahet_#1.JPG, 2011_male_Orange-tail_Hytec_Parahet_#1a.JPG, 2011_male_Orange-tail_Hytec_Parahet_#1b.JPG I18N YGP.SaveAll I18N YGP.SaveProgress I18N YGP.ViewAfterSave .

Kevin, Was able to locate a photo of a different 2011 male OT Hytec Parahet. I think I've sent you a photo of this boa previously. I'll get photos of all the other 2011 male OT Hytec Parahets to you in the next few days. Thank you for your patience and please don't hesitate to call anytime if you have any concerns. Take care and will be in touch. Andrew

PS We have no intention of holding a single Aztec Parahet and Hytec Parahet back for future breeding. Matter a fact we will not be holding back a single non Homozygous OT Paraglow Aztec, Paradigm Aztec, OT Sharp Sunglow Aztec or Sharp Albino Aztec for future breeding.

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The above e-mail was sent the night the boa arrived dead. I'm more than willing to make right. The blackmail e-mail was sent the next morning and at the time had received no evidence whatsoever the boa was in fact dead. Andrew

And then from yesterday...

Kevin will get a replacement 2011 male OT Hytec Parahet. Andrew

Which he later reneged on.

 

[Constrictor Creations]

Im not sure I understand this. Did you read the whol thread?

I sure did.....DID YOU?

 

[BrooklynJoe]

wow this guy is a piece of work what id o not understand is why wouldn't he offer a full refund. I hope the OP is taking legal action. RAPIDLY !

I think as a community of reptile lovers WE need to confront how we do business of reptiles via forums classifieds again. I believe we need to acknowledge the good guy post and promulgate that list and revisit away to do better business for all parties. this sucks.