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Bad Guy Beware of Jerry Kruse

rattler said:
Maybe if Jerry was unethical in his aquisition of his zonata and tore rock piles apart like some of the people who are commenting on him you would understand better. You know what they say about people who live in glass houses right?:yesnod:
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Seriously? You've defending mr. kruse? The man who has poached, smuggled, lied, threatened, coerced, begged, LIED and LIED and LIED in this thread and you're defending him?

I've got half a mind to find out who he does work for and let them know what kind a creep they have in their employ.

Friendship is all fine and good, but if someone's a lying sack of poo, proven over and over by their very own self, how far does friendship go? mr. kruse has no honour and quite deserves the disdain and disgust he has brought upon himself by himself. No one force mr. kruse to be such a terrible person, he did that all on his own.

You seriously having me wondering about you as well rattler.
 
Wilomn said:
Seriously? You've defending mr. kruse? The man who has poached, smuggled, lied, threatened, coerced, begged, LIED and LIED and LIED in this thread and you're defending him?

I've got half a mind to find out who he does work for and let them know what kind a creep they have in their employ.

Friendship is all fine and good, but if someone's a lying sack of poo, proven over and over by their very own self, how far does friendship go? mr. kruse has no honour and quite deserves the disdain and disgust he has brought upon himself by himself. No one force mr. kruse to be such a terrible person, he did that all on his own.

You seriously having me wondering about you as well rattler.
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Don't start throwing smugglers names around because I have some of those for you too. These are people you're defending.
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rattler said:
You know that I can't post names here because of the TOS. Am I correct moderator? :censored:
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It would probably be much better than the accusations you are implying towards everyone taking part in this thread by NOT naming names.
 
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The BOI worked. But bringing a mans employment into this isn't relevant to the hobby.
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Hmm, well honestly, who are we to judge what people will (can?) think is relevant about a person in order to consider doing business with them? Would it be fair for management here to MAKE that sort of decision and prohibit information and opinions offered simply based on some sort of arbitrary line drawn into the discussion?
 
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You know that I can't post names here because of the TOS. Am I correct moderator? :censored:
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What I do know is that mr. kruse is a poacher and a smuggler, a liar and a theif, a braggart and a bully, a beggar and a coward.

I also know that someone like you, rattler, knows enough about how the BOI works that unless you're totally full of crap, you've got that list of names saved in a document file and we'll see it momentarily, since you've been so quick in your responses.

I mean, unless, you're lying. You're not lying, are you? I think mr. kruse has done enough of that for everyone on this thread.

So, that list, I'd like to see it, if you please.

Unless, like I said, you lied about having it.
 
You know that I can't post names here because of the TOS. Am I correct moderator?
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I'm assuming you are talking about your two earlier posts

rattler said:
While we're at it. What was that guys name on the west coast who got in trouble for smuggling Todos Island kings? That would obviously be a zonata guy to stay away from.
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rattler said:
Maybe if Jerry was unethical in his aquisition of his zonata and tore rock piles apart like some of the people who are commenting on him you would understand better. You know what they say about people who live in glass houses right?:yesnod:
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April already told you it would be appropriate to discuss those things in a proper thread not in this one.
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This thread is about Jerry Kruse, discussion of other people needs to be done in a separate BOI thread
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Apparently you find relevance for it here since you have ignored the moderator's statement and mentioned it twice since.
If you want to put it up in this thread and show the relevance then go ahead. If you feel it is worthy of its own thread then do that. The decisions yours. You already ignored April's remarks twice and earned a warning/infraction if she chooses to issue it. So let's see the relevance. The balls in your court.
 
rattler said:
Don't start throwing smugglers names around because I have some of those for you too. These are people you're defending.
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Quite a shallow and irrelavant statement since you chose not to end this sentence with the names you are referring to. Why hold back if you know you are right? This is a board that is receptive to facts that weigh heavily on a persons ability to mantain a good guy/bad guy status. Why hold back? No BS?, no problem. Name those people, or remain on the "heresay" list.
 
Still waiting on those names steve.

And just for future reference, I don't hold with the misconception that just you send me a private message I am obligated to keep it between us. This goes for anyone I have not made other arrangements with.

I will not be obligated without knowing what I am obligated to so if you want a secret kept, ask me if I'll keep it before you blurt it out.

Now then, those names.... here would be a good place for you to put them.

It would also be a good place for you to own up to being a liar if that is the case. You can see what happened to mr. kruse when he refused to do the right thing; you don't want that to be you.

Do you?
 
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Don't start throwing smugglers names around because I have some of those for you too. These are people you're defending.
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Wilomn said:
Still waiting on those names steve.
I will give you the answer you already know but for some reason want to hear it. It was a member of the former High Mountain Herps group Mr. Lynum. But you already knew that didn't you? :yesnod:
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So, either you're lying about some of THOSE names you have and can only toss out the one, or you're not saying the rest. Are you lying or holding out? You opened this door, so let's see what's in the closet.

Didn't you mention someone else in the pm you sent me?

And do you have any proof?

mr. kruse posted pictures and showed certain individuals off in person, we KNOW what he did. Do you have anything like that or is this merely fabrication on your part, perhaps hoping to draw attention away from the fact the mr. kruse is far from wholesome?
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Rattler AKA Steve Witt..Get your facts straight

Firts off I've never been busted for herrerae. I don't know anyone that has been busted for them. In fact, mine are all legal imported documented specimans. Lots of them. USFWS has seen my collection of them and even held them. What does this have to do with this thread?

I also have the non-commercial permit from CA on breeding zonata. I've been giveg all the zonata away I produce since 2008. I have a great friendship with the CADFG. Afterall, they issued me a non resident the permit as I live in AZ. I'm not bothered if people don't deal zonatas with me. I don't sell them anymore. Appears your way off.:shrug01: Where did you get your info?:eek:

If you want to talk about ME smuggling that's fine with me. I brought back lots of stuff from MX. Many herpers have my old stock in their collections including JK. I don't hide it and I'm not ashamed off it. I'm quite vocal about it actualy and even mentioned it in Herp Nation Magazine in a article on exploring and herping Baja for over 20 years. It's real old news. Over 10 years and it doesn't hurt me or any of my dealings. So good luck there:rofl: Everyone, I know and associates with knows about it. I love telling people about it. I paid my price to society and now I can talk about it. Nuttin to hide. Yep, I also, used to sale zonatas for years too. I sold one for $12,000. One for $8000.00 and plenty in the thousands of dollar ranges. So what?

I don't care what people do. You may say I called JK out when I have a glass house and rocky past. The difference is I admit to it. JK is currently involved in several illegal dealings across the nation. JK uses me to take the spotlight off him. Kinda-like you did buy changing the subject in this thread.

If you want to call me out then start a thread with people that have dealt with me and say I burned them. I haven't dealt (Or meet you for that matter) so that leaves you out.

Pretty sad attempt to take the heat off your buddy.

Paul Lynum

P.S. You also blamed Todd Smith for smuggling herrerae. Where's your guns on that:thumbsup:
 
Paul Lynum said:
Firts off I've never been busted for herrerae. I don't know anyone that has been busted for them. In fact, mine are all legal imported documented specimans. Lots of them. USFWS has seen my collection of them and even held them. What does this have to do with this thread?

P.S. You also blamed Todd Smith for smuggling herrerae. Where's your guns on that:thumbsup:
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OK, Paul, for one you did get busted and that's why your former partners from High Mountain posted a disclaimer back when they were in business saying they were no longer associated with you. It was common knowledge back then but I guess time does heal all wounds. Don't suger coat what you did. secondly I never said Todd smuggled a thing so lets not take anything out of context. I thought at the time he was one of the partners but he wasn't. He and Glenn were part of a different business that I used to get animals from. My fault for the mix up since he's a great guy. You were involved with the High Mtn. guys until they gave you the ax.
 
Wilomn said:
rattler said:
Wilomn said:
Still waiting on those names steve.

So, either you're lying about some of THOSE names you have and can only toss out the one, or you're not saying the rest. Are you lying or holding out? You opened this door, so let's see what's in the closet.


And do you have any proof?

You seem to want more and more and you obviously can't be trusted. Talk about lies. Did someone tell you that it's ok for your mother and sister to be one in the same?
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rattler said:
Wilomn said:
rattler said:
Wilomn said:
Still waiting on those names steve.

So, either you're lying about some of THOSE names you have and can only toss out the one, or you're not saying the rest. Are you lying or holding out? You opened this door, so let's see what's in the closet.


And do you have any proof?

You seem to want more and more and you obviously can't be trusted. Talk about lies. Did someone tell you that it's ok for your mother and sister to be one in the same?
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SissyMom and I do just fine, thank you.

But I'm curious. Now you've cast aspersions upon me. So, for the last time, hopefully, either put up or shut your damn pie hole.

Is lynum all you've got? That's it? You're almost as bad as mr. kruse.
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Steve your becoming Rattler-less

Steve,

High Mountain and I (BTW this was back in 1997) parted friendly. I never got the axe. It was my idea to leave and take any pressure off them while I dealt with my mistake. We felt the disclaimer would help with that. There were three of us. I'm good friends to this day with one of them and the other we both haven't heard from in years and have no idea where here disappeared to.

I'm not sugar coating anything. I'm proud of what I am (And accomplished) and not ashamed of what I've done. The people I deal with must feel the same way as I do business everyday. I don't see a thread with my name getting dumped on.

So again, what does any of this have to do with how JK and the way he treated Stu for months and his public attacks and complete spin of things???? I explained my intereactions with JK and found him to be not only mentally disturbed but a possible physical threat to people including myself. Because of this thread several have come out to explain their relationship with him which is overwhemly bad. JK has shot himself in the foot too many times:shootfoot Now you're starting to follow in his footsteps. Attacking me is going to get you nowhere fast.


Being how you are backing JK how about posting some positive stuff about him. Instead of taking the spotlight off him lets get back to thread at hand and you can provide proof about how great of a guy he is to you:D

PL
 
This is a great way to add posts....but I believe it was Dennis that said to proceed IF you can show relevance to this thread, Mr Wit. If not, please stop sidetracking this thread. Then, perhaps, the antagonistic barbs between you and Wes can stop (or be continued somewhere else).
As a reminder, the topic is Jerry Kruse.
 
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