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Bad Guy Brandon Griffey

Xavier stated to Brandon in email that the stress could have been due to shipping then breeding him to numerous females. Brandon did not deny that happened.
 
do you all think the snake should have died in 10 days quarintine or not .it had underkying problems or preexcisting conditions , so you all think it was put to numerous females . how many 2 . and it developed the mucus in its mouth in 10 days also , what wrong with you guys snakes that get sick dont die that fast ,just because the vet said he could not tell him what caused it to die doesnt mean it wasnt one of the problems . he jusy could not pinpoint it and if you read the necropsy there are still 3 or 4 more tests to follow.

and if your trading for a male breeder during breeding season the intentions are to breed . thats why he got it ,

bottom line quarentine or not the snake is dead if you traded for a snake and it died in 10 days you would want your snakes back it had problems they just didnt arrise in a week
 
JColt said:
It should have been in quarantine and not near any other animal.
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I absolutely agree. Every buyer should quarantine, that is pretty basic.
Had the critter died in a quiet quarantine cage it might be a different situation. Here, a one year old snake was bred right after shipping to multiple females.
 
JColt said:
Xavier stated to Brandon in email that the stress could have been due to shipping then breeding him to numerous females. Brandon did not deny that happened.
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the snakes were shipped within 5 hours . they were not in a long shipping process .they were shipped out around 5 pm in the evening and both parties had the snakes by 10 pm
 
Xavier said:
No I don't have any documentation on his stating he bred it as much as I stated. That information was provided to me on the phone the day I found out the snake died. He had called me letting me know what happened and asking if I received his text for the previous day. Brandon was the one that called me and I old him I don't have a texting plan. He had stated he was worried I was avoiding him and when I asked what the necropsy finding were he called Tom on 3 way. Tom was the one that told me about the # of females it had been with (I believe he stated 5).
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there were 5 females i could have ran it to but it was only put in with 2 and you were the one that said it was a great breeder , so it should not of had a problem at all with 2 girls
 
Ok Im gonna chime in on this one. First off when buying animals from people that say they are healthy nothing wrong with them you would assume you could put the snake into your collection regaurdless of quarentine. If people were honest there would be absolutly no reason for quarentine. A snake should not die within 10 day and if it does, the seller should be responsible for a replacement or at least half the monitary value or something. Snakes dont just up and die in 10 days. Meanwhile nothing else is dieing at toms place. Xavier is also selling all his snakes now isnt that kinda fishy right after this snake dies hes selling all his snakes. Seems very fishy and dishonest to me. From the get go tom and brandon have been honest ya they put it with females and they did whatever they arent hiding anything. I just think xavier should do something for them and not leave this sit like it is and ignore thier calls and emails.
 
thomas raspoptsis said:
do you all think the snake should have died in 10 days quarintine or not .it had underkying problems or preexcisting conditions , so you all think it was put to numerous females . how many 2 . and it developed the mucus in its mouth in 10 days also , what wrong with you guys snakes that get sick dont die that fast ,just because the vet said he could not tell him what caused it to die doesnt mean it wasnt one of the problems . he jusy could not pinpoint it and if you read the necropsy there are still 3 or 4 more tests to follow.

and if your trading for a male breeder during breeding season the intentions are to breed . thats why he got it ,

bottom line quarentine or not the snake is dead if you traded for a snake and it died in 10 days you would want your snakes back it had problems they just didnt arrise in a week
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You must be Brandon's bff :rofl:
 
khoffman said:
Ok Im gonna chime in on this one. First off when buying animals from people that say they are healthy nothing wrong with them you would assume you could put the snake into your collection regaurdless of quarentine. If people were honest there would be absolutly no reason for quarentine. A snake should not die within 10 day and if it does, the seller should be responsible for a replacement or at least half the monitary value or something. Snakes dont just up and die in 10 days. Meanwhile nothing else is dieing at toms place. Xavier is also selling all his snakes now isnt that kinda fishy right after this snake dies hes selling all his snakes. Seems very fishy and dishonest to me. From the get go tom and brandon have been honest ya they put it with females and they did whatever they arent hiding anything. I just think xavier should do something for them and not leave this sit like it is and ignore thier calls and emails.
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Xavier was selling off his snakes before this all, I have been discussing purchases with him for the last 2 months or so.

Just wanted to clear that up...
 
you know the bottom line is your snake was sick sick sick and it died .died and died it should not have done so if it was a healthy snake .

if i traded or sold someone a snake that died regardless of why it died in 30 days other then neglagance i would replace. but that is me

and you posting brandon up here as a bad guy . your the bad guy trying to make yourself look like a good . anyway you put it your snake died in 10 days yes 10 days as far as it goes from this point on i wont respond to anymore posts . since your not even man enough to call the guy on the phone

you keep are snakes .thats ok and i hope every one views this thread and buys something from you lol, since your the seller and the buyer got screwed.this is a great thread for you
 
Wow i'm a bad guy because you sent me a unhealthy snake with a internal per existing condition? And you won't even talk to me on the phone sense I told you the snake died All I want is my snakes back I did my part. I didn't want to go public with this. Adult snakes just don't die if they didn't all ready have something wrong with it. If the snakes I sent you had any issue within the 10 days I would of sent your snake back in a heart beat the same day delta dash.
 
I already purchased a breeder male from him. He is in QT at the moment, I will definitely keep everyone informed on how he does.
 
Lucille said:
What did the vet say about how long the snake had the ulcers?
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he could not say .there really is no way to tell becuase he had to see it visually .just like they cant pinpoint why it died on a exact problem ,the symtoms were inside the snake and not visuall ,it had 5 things wrong with it in the necropsy and 4 more tests to be done on the heart the trachea the lung and the brain , but they take a longer time

so if you look at are point of view yes stress could have killed it , but realisticly would you think it was one of these other problems

i mean look at the necropsy it says severe lacerated stomach it didnt get that in 10 days
 
radera5 said:
I already purchased a breeder male from him. He is in QT at the moment, I will definitely keep everyone informed on how he does.
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you wont be able to tell if it has a problem or not unless you do the tissue samples and you cant do that with a live snake???, but good luck with yours i hope everything goes well with him and you dont have our problem as you can see he doesnt guarentee his snakes
 
Lucille said:
I absolutely agree. Every buyer should quarantine, that is pretty basic.
Had the critter died in a quiet quarantine cage it might be a different situation. Here, a one year old snake was bred right after shipping to multiple females.
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thats what it was traded for to breed it was suppose to be healthy and quarintine or not it should not have died in 10 days

do think people buy snakes in breeding season and dont put them with females right away dont kid yourself its done everyday .breeder males are for sale every were right now with the adds saying . hey he has done his job here and has much more spark left in him and can breed a few more girls (NOT AN EXACT QUOTE BUT )
 
thomas raspoptsis said:
you wont be able to tell if it has a problem or not unless you do the tissue samples and you cant do that with a live snake???, but good luck with yours i hope everything goes well with him and you dont have our problem as you can see he doesnt guarentee his snakes
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I was just referring to if I walk in and find him dead one day :(...then we would have a pretty good idea. If he doesn't die...then I will have to assume after his QT that he is healthy.

I enjoy the minimal talks I have had with Brandon and Xavier was great to deal with.

I hate to see something like this happen to anyone, it is especially hard considering I have had friendly conversations with both gentleman.

I really wish this could end happily for everyone but at this point that seems like a long shot. :(
 
thomas raspoptsis said:
it didnt get that in 10 days
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There is something called comparative fault, where the fault is apportioned between the parties. That might be a useful tool here. Certainly there is stress associated with being shipped (remember it is not just flight time, there is the boxing up, taking to the airport, etc.) and then being breed right away.

Your position would have been stronger had you quarantined which is a basic husbandry procedure.
 
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