Info TRUTHS ABOUT THE HIDDEN GENE WOMA THAT ARE IN DIRECT CONFLICT OF KEVIN MCCURELY(NERD)

[gsrept]

If Kevin is dodging question then what are you doing. You have been asked multiple times were is your emails and other evidence, we are still all waiting for the smoking gun. And it is very clear you have womas not hg Woma. IMO until you produce some plausible evidence you should walk away.

 

[NewEnglandReptile]

PS....

I missed Joe/Clark's post effort above.

Joe/Clark , if you think that I haunt and know all the snakes posted on World of Ball Pythons then you have me confused with someone like yourself. I love that site but I do not pour over it like you seem to be doing.


Do I have a problem with your morph names??????????

YEs, YES, YES! You do not know your subject.

As far as me not answering your question???? I have SPELLED it out for you and quite frankly your writing combined efforts are incoherent and a mess! Don't tell me that I am the untruthful one here, you are an obvious LIAR. You said you had the proof in several form...one specifically, emails!!!! YOU DID NOT POST YOUR PROOF! You said that I admitted to all of this?????????????????? You must be INSANE!!


Your snake is NOT a PEWTER SOUL SUCKER. PERIOD! Must I take more pictures so you can see what happens when you combine Cinnamon into the HG Woma morph???? Sorry, my little poorly educated wanna be, you continue to spout non-sense!

I am tired of endless lies...from the both of you. Your phone calls and text to other people with my secret admittance to all of this is LAME! You lie, both of you are pathetic. Nice business practices!

I can not believe that you brought this hear without having ANYTHING to work with..... Granite??? Are you kidding me????? Where do you make up these stories???? Rather funny that you keep trying to tackle this one.... Maybe you should focus on another morph that you want to DESTROY.

You wittle baby , there there, you need people to notice you???

The White out scenario??? Washout?? Are you KIDDING ME????? I took a look at your "Washout" gene on WOBP.... ????????????

I suggest everyone take a look at the Washout........ Joe, time to get your eyes checked. You are ragging on me about my morphs and this is what you bring to the table?

Morph King Reptiles (excluding Wes) was something.....talk about lies Joe...

Remember, when you lied about all of your numbers that you were making? You did it to horrify people and crash markets..... Remember that little diddy?

People such as the both of you do NOTHING for this hobby and do some real damage when they confuse and mislead people so they can sell their snakes.

You are the one that does not answer questions, your points are LAME, you are incapable of debating and your point is rather round and misguided.

You and Clark should regroup, kiss and buy each other some little happy meals..... then you can get hurt with the prize and try to sue Mc'Donalds. Maybe you can expose their secret sauce or something......with your mind's the possibilities are ENDLESS!!!!

Funny with all of your struggling you never brought these emails to light.....oh, lucky me!

I know for a fact I am having a better time making awesome snakes than PHR(great name...ohhh please, notice how BIG AND POWERFUL WE ARE).....I get eggs that have some great stuff in them...you get eggs that you pretend has great stuff in them!


Ok, crumble cakes...back to PRETEND TIME!


Kevin

 

[Cp3_Pythons]

If Kevin is dodging question then what are you doing. You have been asked multiple times were is your emails and other evidence, we are still all waiting for the smoking gun. And it is very clear you have womas not hg Woma. IMO until you produce some plausible evidence you should walk away.

He has no email's just a few snake's that he can't tell the difference in...
Thats why Joe at PHR posted picture's of the woma when it was in shed

If you actually do have the emails post them otherwise everything you've said or stated is simply garbage without actual proof which you said you had in the form of an email you have no proof of your claims or nothing to back you except a few animals that we have all decided have no HG Nothing in them.

 

[Ghi Reptiles]

If Kevin is dodging question then what are you doing. You have been asked multiple times were is your emails and other evidence, we are still all waiting for the smoking gun. And it is very clear you have womas not hg Woma. IMO until you produce some plausible evidence you should walk away.

The evidence is that of all the breeders who have normal womas and produce babies from them...there are no hidden gene womas in those offspring. They are two different morphs.

I can count the green flames on Brian's animal too Joe. They look the same to me and are great examples of pewter womas...but no hidden gene woma in them.

Also..."the pink Opalescent sheen screaming through it especially on its neck and when its taken out side in natural sunlight. No regular Pewter Woma has that". I don't believe that's a hidden gene woma trait?

FYI...in my experience all hidden gene woma crosses don't get lighter as they age. Some do and some don't...just like every other morph there's a variety.

Thanks for taking the time to reply to my post Joe but your snakes still don't show any hidden gene woma traits...even with your colorful explanations...sorry. I don't know the history of your founding animal but if you bought her as a hidden gene woma she's not. I would speak to whomever you bought her from and see where they got her.

 

[Snake-Queen]

I know next to nothing about ballyhoo pythons & even I can see the difference between those two snakes.

Joe, all this thread has done is makeuou look ignorant and pathetic. Just because you say it is so, doesn't mean it is.your posts are screaming look at ME! Look at ME! I think it is very sad that a grown man acts the way you have here.

I can tell you from your posts here, I would never buy from you.

 

[Power House Reptiles]

Here you go! I know what I have and will not waste my time going back and forth about it. He said and then She said really sucks and I have snakes to care for and breed. Simple fact is that the Original HGW looks more like my friends snake than anything sold today as a HGW and that is something that noone can dispute. The two original adults posted actually look like Womas. Regular Womas dont have FLAMES but these DO!!! Enough said and there will be more snakes made. The wrong snake is on the WOBP in the HGW spot being used to represent the HGW obviously because, it looks nothing like the picture of the Original HGW.

[11/18/2011 12:11:31 AM] Allan Riis: Hello Clark
Are you 100% sure that there is a Hidden Gene Woma in the super pastel you sent me picture of. ?
[11/18/2011 8:12:32 AM] Clark Tucker: 100% sure that the Super Pastel Hidden Gene Woma is in fact a Super Pastel Hidden Gene Woma. My Hidden Gene Woma is not the same as 99% of the other Hidden Gene Womas that are out there these days. Most of the Hidden Gene Womas have the NERD Granite attached which makes them look very different. The granite travels with the HG Woma gene and is stuck to it like glue.
[11/18/2011 8:12:50 AM] Clark Tucker: Why do you ask that??
[11/18/2011 12:00:10 PM] Allan Riis: It was Kevin who said that it was not a Hidden Gene Woma .. which was used to create the morph ..
[11/18/2011 5:33:36 PM] Clark Tucker: Allan is that a fact?? Well Kevin doesnt know who has this mutation anymore and I am very sorry that he is mad that I did not have to pay him to get his morph. It is what it is and I should have a clutch from a 3500 gram Lesser Platinum from him very soon and when a Soul Sucker comes out of the clutch we will just see if it is or is not a Hidden Gene Woma.
[11/18/2011 8:34:29 PM] Clark Tucker: Allan, I know what is going on here. He saw that animal at the Tinley Park Show and didnt say anything about it. If you do not believe that the animal is a HG Woma that is fine you can pull the photo if you need to but the mother to this snake came out of Kevin's facility as a regular Type 1 woma and my friend has her now and this year he produced a pair of lethal gene hg woma/champagne babies. I can send you the picture of her 2011 babies if you would like to see them. The female baby died trying to shed and the male is still struggling to stay alive. They had horrible neurological problems and felt soft. Andy at NERD told my friend that he had produced the HG Woma Champagne and that the best he could ever do with them is keep them alive for 6 months. This animal is a HG WOMA I assure you!


The picture was removed and then it was placed back up a few weeks later. Then without any problem I was able to have Allan place this Sterling HGW up after discussion with Kevin about it.

[5/25/2012 11:02:14 AM] Allan Riis: I have talk to Kevin about that Cinnamon Super Pastel HG Woma he have on the site.. and I ask him about if there is a Granite in it and he says yes,,
[5/25/2012 11:02:23 AM] Allan Riis: so you will get that spot..
[5/25/2012 11:03:41 AM] Clark Tucker: That sounds good on that. I just want to get those snakes up there so that people see them.
[5/25/2012 11:04:16 AM] Allan Riis: yes..

There will not be another post made by myself or Joe on here. I feel that with that "Original HGW" picture posted on here now I dont need to say anything else about this situation. I just need to focus on making more snakes from this lineage of Hidden Gene Woma and definitely not worry about what is being said here. I feel good about this!

Best regards,
Clark Tucker

 

[Snake-Queen]

I bate auto correct.

Not ballyhoo ball python

& make you

 

[Focal]

Why don't you change the name to something else, like with the washout/whiteout situation? Call it a Secret Gene Woma or something.

 

[Ghi Reptiles]

Hey Clark,

It's just been brought to my attention that your female woma is the same animal that was offered to someone I know before you got her. He contacted me at the time and asked if she was a hidden gene woma and it was easy for me to say no. I'm sorry if you guys bought an animal that was misrepresented to you but there's no hidden gene woma there.

I would keep working with her though the pewter woma and sterling woma are very nice!!!

 

[Temporalis_Enterprises]

Joe and Clark, this has been your 4th or 5th "last post", is this one for real

 

[TheFragginDragon]

Hey Clark,

It's just been brought to my attention that your female woma is the same animal that was offered to someone I know before you got her. He contacted me at the time and asked if she was a hidden gene woma and it was easy for me to say no. I'm sorry if you guys bought an animal that was misrepresented to you but there's no hidden gene woma there.

I would keep working with her though the pewter woma and sterling woma are very nice!!!

Anonymous Third Party Quotations are not allowed here, please name this 'someone'.

 

[Cp3_Pythons]

Because there's no hidden gene there IMO... from the email's Tuckers posted all I can get from it was KEVIN never said what Joe at PHR said he said... where's that proof Tucker??
Is it even true?? Or is Joe at PHR simply running off at the mouth...

"There will not be another post made by myself or Joe on here. I feel that with that "Original HGW" picture posted on here now I dont need to say anything else about this situation. I just need to focus on making more snakes from this lineage of Hidden Gene Woma and definitely not worry about what is being said here. I feel good about this"

I bet you feel as if you don't as from what I'm gathering you don't have any solid evidence of anything... you got one clutch and jumped the gun.. This lineage of Hidden Gene Woma... what lineage because there's no hidden gene in that woma... and IMO if you are using a Hidden Gene animal you probably picked it up in a trade from someone who did indeed buy it from Nerd...
And are now trying to pass it off as a different line With your previous antics I wouldn't put it past you nor Joe at PHR to try and pull something like this and honestly I think your white-outs are simply the same as the washout's. When you noticed this you cried you complained you tried to dis-credit Amir and his work the same as you are doing here with the same results YOU LACK PROOF SOLID HARD EVIDENCE if this where a trial the judge would laugh you out of court.. seriously though
you come here saying Kevin mixed in other gene's to produce the animals off the Hidden Gene line... Yet you have failed and miserably if I may add at providing such proof... as well as the emails that Joe at PHR claims to have where are they? From what I see from the message you posted you got your thong in a bunch over a spot on the World of Ball Pythons morph list...

The both of you have your stories so confused you can't keep track of what your saying or ment to say nothing neither of you say holds any water...

You keep saying you have this it is the truth your animals are this and that... yet people who have been and are working with the gene you claim that Kevin let accidentally out of his facility is what you've been making this with... say there's no hidden gene woma in them Maybe it's a simple Type 1 Woma and you just want it to be something else

With the 17.5k you scammed out of someone with the one that say's sold do us all a favor... Go take a simple genetics course... or even a few of them... I'd say take an advance course but I wouldn't want either of you to be left behind scratching your heads at the end of class...

 

[Ghi Reptiles]

Anonymous Third Party Quotations are not allowed here, please name this 'someone'.

There is no anonymous third-party quote. Unless you're thinking that my conversation I had with somebody is a third-party quote?

 

[TheFragginDragon]

There is no anonymous third-party quote. Unless you're thinking that my conversation I had with somebody is a third-party quote?

You brought that conversation into the thread without the other partys name, therefore it's an anonymous third party quote.

 

[Cp3_Pythons]

Joe and Clark, this has been your 4th or 5th "last post", is this one for real

Maybe when their clutches start to pip they will have nothing more to say... because then they will have to deal with the fact that everyone was right and they did jump the gun with out real evidence...

 

[Ghi Reptiles]

You brought that conversation into the thread without the other partys name, therefore it's an anonymous third party quote.

Okay I gotcha. Sorry about that.

 

[AbsoluteApril]

on the first few pages Joe made that big list about how there is no granite in the HGWomas Nerd produces since he said there aren't normal 'granites' in the resulting offspring and the gene doesn't attach to the HGW.

and then just above William had PM'd Allan saying:

[11/18/2011 8:12:32 AM] Clark Tucker: 100% sure that the Super Pastel Hidden Gene Woma is in fact a Super Pastel Hidden Gene Woma. My Hidden Gene Woma is not the same as 99% of the other Hidden Gene Womas that are out there these days. Most of the Hidden Gene Womas have the NERD Granite attached which makes them look very different. The granite travels with the HG Woma gene and is stuck to it like glue.

showing they are fully aware the granite is there and attaches/follows the HGW gene?

The stories seem to keep changing and still no solid proof - statements such as 'you can all see the truth' by PHR don't mean much when almost every post on here is saying - where is the truth?

PHR - are those the only 4 or 5 same photos you have of all these animals in question? if that 'original' female is your big possible new unrelated morph, why do you only have 1 photo of her in shed? just seems odd to me.

 

[bxjoon]

After reading all this I think I have acquired a hidden gene coma....Kevin you are one of the founding fathers of this reptile cartel we have today...Even though you definitely piss me off at times in regards to explaining certain morph combos *cough* magpie *cough* you really should not entertain this mindless banter..Continue being the evil morph god bro

 

[joe23]

im a bit lost right now with all this overload on things floating around (espacially since english isnt my fist language).

but if i understood that correct did joe capone bred his animal to a champagne and got these pearl like neuro thingies.

thats pretty interesting but it doesnt necessarly prove anything. the saffron (champagne sable) and the champagne spider look also similar and are neuro as hell.

so it could be that the woma champagne follows that pattern.

would be interesting to know if someone bred a normal woma to a champagne.

on the other hand had someone (i think it was jimmy stepflug if i remember that correct) a pastel hg woma champagne (a bit paradox) and it was normal.


would be nice to know how many hg woma champagnes have been made. with all the pearls coming from normal heterozygous hg woma breedings- who knows...

anyway- i think that pretty interesting and just wanted to point that out too.

 

[Cp3_Pythons]

on the first few pages Joe made that big list about how there is no granite in the HGWomas Nerd produces since he said there aren't normal 'granites' in the resulting offspring and the gene doesn't attach to the HGW.

and then just above William had PM'd Allan saying:


showing they are fully aware the granite is there and attaches/follows the HGW gene?

The stories seem to keep changing and still no solid proof - statements such as 'you can all see the truth' by PHR don't mean much when almost every post on here is saying - where is the truth?

PHR - are those the only 4 or 5 same photos you have of all these animals in question? if that 'original' female is your big possible new unrelated morph, why do you only have 1 photo of her in shed? just seems odd to me.

Line in bold is well that must of hurt them... I'm sorry their story has no real evidence anyway. Maybe that's why their not making anymore post's now

I agree to and the one photo they use to represent her she's in shed... You would figure they would use a better picture to represent her
Hold up it's getting deep in here now
Sorry about that had to get rid of some yea that was sitting around

Tucker and Joe... your own words just made everything said (well it was Joe at PHR post but same company none the less) irrelevant and a lie being this whole thread is based on a lie you have no credit to continue with this so called proofs that you have... Once again I simply think the so called new morphs you say you have are spin offs of not only Amir's whiteout's ( yes I realized I mixed them up in a previous post above this one I apologize for that) but now your trying to say you've produce a spin off of the HGW only problem is you actually need a HGW to do so not a normal woma... Picture's are worth a thousand words... and the picture's you've posted aren't matching your words... and now in the light we have your own words not matching your words... the same words that you Joe at PHR based this thread on... you where better off not posting that section of emails between you all all that did was DISCREDIT ANYTHING YOU'VE SAID OR ARE ABOUT TO SAY.... But please explain I need a few more laugh's...