Info TRUTHS ABOUT THE HIDDEN GENE WOMA THAT ARE IN DIRECT CONFLICT OF KEVIN MCCURELY(NERD)

[Snake-Queen]

So... the quickest way to tell is the eyes... no steel gray eyes, not a HGW. Yes?

 

[Willow]

Read my add and you will know what I think of the Granite in the Granite HGW...

Nice deflection from answering my question

I have read your ad, I read it before you even posted this BOI. It made me run the other direction so fast my head was spinning. I even had a disscussion in the chat room about how those animals are NOT HGW's before you posted this BOI

I'll still be waiting for pics of your animals eyes.

 

[Willow]

So... the quickest way to tell is the eyes... no steel gray eyes, not a HGW. Yes?

in a soul sucker at least I would have to say yes. Soul suckers have gun metal eyes.

 

[Snake-Queen]

in a soul sucker at least I would have to say yes. Soul suckers have gun metal eyes.

Thanks. I thought that was the case.

 

[Ghi Reptiles]

After reading through the ad I would have to say that it's not a big deal as long as people are aware that the 'original hidden gene womas and original hidden gene woma combos' that Joe and Clark are selling will not produce anything like the hidden gene womas and hidden gene woma combos that are out there in collections now. If it's the granite gene that makes all the difference...then that's what it is.

Nothing like riding the coattails of a morph that's in demand I guess

 

[Joe at PHR]

Matt,
Show me pictures of your multiple clutches coming out of the eggs with Granite Hidden Gene Womas, normals or single mutations, Non Granite Hidden Gene Womas and real Granite crosses or just real Granites even.

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[Willow]

After reading through the ad I would have to say that it's not a big deal as long as people are aware that the 'original hidden gene womas and original hidden gene woma combos' that Joe and Clark are selling will not produce anything like the hidden gene womas and hidden gene woma combos that are out there in collections now. If it's the granite gene that makes all the difference...then that's what it is.

Nothing like riding the coattails of a morph that's in demand I guess

The problem with that is...they are trying to tag their animals to a HUGE price difference then what they really are...normal womas are nothing near HG womas

plus

this pastel soul sucker has no granite in it...still has the blue eyes, looks mighty different then Joe's animals, but he says the only difference is the granite gene....but this animal doesn't have that

 

[Willow]

The above animal is a pastel lesser hidden gene woma....no granite

you are trying to claim you have a cinny pastel lesser hidden gene woma, and yet it ISN'T more insane looking in color then the above animal?? Infact it looks like a cinny pastel lesser WOMA (normal woma!!)

It doesn't have more insane eyes then the above animal?? And yet it actually carries one whole other gene then the above animal??

and no matter how much you try to type, above the pic, that your Original woma girl doesn't look like a NORMAL woma, she actually DOES look just like a normal woma.

 

[Joe at PHR]

Matt,
Show me pictures of your multiple clutches coming out of the eggs with Granite Hidden Gene Womas, normals or single mutations, Non Granite Hidden Gene Womas and real Granite crosses or just real Granites even.

My last Post

Typo Correction.. normal or non granite single mutation as we don't want a super granite as a sire or dam. Thanks everyone

 

[Ghi Reptiles]

I don't understand what you are looking for

 

[radera5]

I don't understand what you are looking for

No one does. That's the idea here...

 

[Designer Ball Pythons]

Forgive the bad pics, photography is not my forte. Here is a group shot of freshly hatched granites, HGWG out of the same clutch.

 

[Power House Reptiles]

Rob this is clearly not what we asked for. Those are NOT Granites which are codominant in nature and look like these animals pictured in this link:

http://newenglandreptile.com/nerd/index.php/Ball-Python-Base-Morphs/granite.html

We want to see multiple pictures of multiple clutches of Granite HGW's, Non-Granite HGW's, Granites (real ones), and single Non-Granite mutations or normals all coming out of the eggs together (with the eggs clumped together NOT a bunch of individual eggs or fleshly hatched snakes). With as many breeding Granite HGW's as there are out there this should not be a problem to produce these pictures.

Best regards,
Clark Tucker

 

[Willow]

Rob this is clearly not what we asked for. Those are NOT Granites which are codominant in nature and look like these animals pictured in this link:

http://newenglandreptile.com/nerd/index.php/Ball-Python-Base-Morphs/granite.html

We want to see multiple pictures of multiple clutches of Granite HGW's, Non-Granite HGW's, Granites (real ones), and single Non-Granite mutations or normals all coming out of the eggs together (with the eggs clumped together NOT a bunch of individual eggs or fleshly hatched snakes). With as many breeding Granite HGW's as there are out there this should not be a problem to produce these pictures.

Best regards,
Clark Tucker

why wouldn't there be a problem producing these? apparently you are having a problem providing pics of the EYEBALLS of your animals that I asked for. I personally have a hard time believeing your animals would have such dark, non intense eyes, if they really had HGW in them.

 

[ActionReptiles]

The word "Washout" is defined in a couple of ways. 1. A total failure or disappointment. 2. One who fails to measure up to a standard. I think that is the most fitting name I can think of for Joe to give his supposed new morph that is not even anything that anyone who knows anything can even recognize. The Pastel Calico Washout just looks like a normal variation of a Pastel Calico to me. The rest look like nothing except the single gene they are supposed to be combined with. The Washout itself, please explain how that is not normal. If that is allowed to stand, then anyone can say that anything is a morph. It is important that we maintain the integrity of the morph market by calling these things out. Ironically, Joe helped many, including me, to see the differences in the HGW stuff of which I don't have any and at the same time pointed out his own deception.

I am shocked that anyone would give this guy any credibility for anything in the world. I cannot believe that there is a single person in the world that would give this guy a penny after what he attempted to do to the ball market a few years ago. They just must not know how destructive he has been. We have had a few years of relative peace and steady growth. Now Joe decides to speak and the destruction begins. Planting doubt in his wake. How long will it be before we see the “We sell ‘em for less” slogan dusted off?

Mike I'm pretty sure they are already using this slogan just reworded so we can't understand it...

Hey Kevin,

As a producer of many hidden gene womas and hidden gene woma combos...take my word for it...the animals Joe are posting have no hidden gene woma in them. They are very cool looking like everyone is saying but the truth is the truth...sorry.

He knows what he is talking about.. unlike PHR

This thread is a joke joe/clark have done nothing but run in circles trying to confuse everyone so people buy there regular woma combo's for HGW prices. The same way they did last year with Amir and his white out's so they could sell some somewhat blushed animals for more money. If any one still buy's animals from PHR after this, I feel sorry for them as they are getting scammed(especially the person who bought there pewter woma for $17.500).

 

[Designer Ball Pythons]

They may not be standouts like the ones pictures on NERD's website, but I assure you they are granites. I will be more than happy to post another lousy pic next to a normal from the clutch as well, where you can see the difference in both lateral flecking and dorsal striping.

Being as you got the pewter woma from Steve as an adult, I'm sure we are all curious as to what that animal produced before you acquired it.

 

[Joe at PHR]

They may not be standouts like the ones pictures on NERD's website, but I assure you they are granites. I will be more than happy to post another lousy pic next to a normal from the clutch as well, where you can see the difference in both lateral flecking and dorsal striping.

Being as you got the pewter woma from Steve as an adult, I'm sure we are all curious as to what that animal produced before you acquired it.

Sorry Rob,
We got it as a fresh hatchling and he looked just like his pewter offspring does now. They go through amazing changes as everyone can see from hatchling to now from previous pictures posted.

Granites don't look like normals Rob period. Lets see some pics of some multiple clutches like we asked for in the post above with all the different mutations including the real granites(NON HGW), Granite HGW, NON Granite HGW, and and non granite normals or single mutations in them. We want them with the eggs all clumped together and the snakes coming out. Not freshly hatched.

 

[Designer Ball Pythons]

Hey Clark,
Being as Steve is watching this thread, how about having him chime in on your behalf. We would all like to hear the TRUTH.

 

[Joe at PHR]

Hey Clark,
Being as Steve is watching this thread, how about having him chime in on your behalf. We would all like to hear the TRUTH.

That is the truth period. We have disclosed everything unlike everyone else.

Speaking of disclosure how about those pics Rob?

 

[Ghi Reptiles]

HI Clark and Joe,

The photos you asked for aren't a problem at all...but first:

1 - I will need to see digital photos of all your babies hatching from eggs all at once in the same manner that you are looking for and no less than 300dpi but no more than 400 dpi.

2 - The eggs will all need to be clumped together in a single container with no portion of a single egg touching any portion of a neighboring egg. (All sides of every egg needs to be visible and they must be laying east to west).

3 - All babies in each photo must be clearly seen anywhere from 10% out of the eggs - 78% out of the eggs and the dorsal and side patterns must all be visible. (No belly shots and no babies touching each other).

4 - It is necessary to have all of the babies eyes clearly visible in detail so color and clarity can be checked without having to enlarge the image.

5 - Every egg must have sire and dam written on it along with lay date and no portion of the writing can be blocked by the babies in the photos.

6 - Eggs may not be manually 'slit' and must have natural egg tooth slits in them.

7 - All babies in images must be facing the exact same direction so I don't have to rotate images while checking patterns and eye color.

Surely you have loads of images around where all the criteria above is met so I look forward to seeing some beautiful babies!

Thanks!