Info TRUTHS ABOUT THE HIDDEN GENE WOMA THAT ARE IN DIRECT CONFLICT OF KEVIN MCCURELY(NERD)

[Joe at PHR]

Good luck with that one, as no one else with GHGW's can produce pictures of the offspring for the way the genetics are stated for the morph.

Just like we have been asking for with clumped eggs stuck together with snakes coming out. While producing all the 4of the different combos (that we stated a few time on this thread) of genetics that the morph should produce.

Its a 2 way street everybody. I wasn't on planning on coming on here tonight but Kyle inspired me.

You are all questioning my morph with eye color and asking for pics? LOL This should be easy to produce with the way the genetics are listed for the GHGW's period.

This is very serious, as it has been something I stated about this morph in my opening statement. It isn't a joking matter as well, that is for sure. I was going to leave it alone but you guys want to continue on and bash. No problem..

Sorry, I didn't make myself more clear Mike.... Thanks for having me clarify it so everyone can understand me...

Good bye for a while..

 

[khoffman]

joe here is a lesser x hidden gene woma cross aka soul sucker.

Here is what your snakes will produce if you dont get pastel or cinnamon into the combo aka woma lesser

 

[johnnydance]

Kyle,
Thanks for the pics!
Now, Was the Soul Sucker (that you just have produced a pic of) produced from a Lesser from Kevin's collection??????? Or was it a normal Lesser from a different collection?
Thanks

 

[johnnydance]

Kyle,
Thanks for the pics!
Now, Was the Soul Sucker (that you just have produced a pic of) produced from a Lesser from Kevin's collection??????? Or was it a normal Lesser from a different collection?
Thanks

 

[Ghi Reptiles]

Hey Johnny,

The soul suckers do also vary and can be made with the hidden gene lessers, lessers, butters, and mojaves. They may not all be as extreme as with the hidden gene lessers that Kevin uses but it can be done.

 

[joe23]

oh boy- this thread is ridiculous. i was a bit skeptic at the start after recent other events, but to me its clear that the snake posted by joe is a normal woma now.

espacially since he only posted a pic of it in deep shed with blue eyes where u cant see the eye color (didnt knew that there was such a dead give away before). if the snake really is a hg woma it shouldnt be a problem to take a picture of its eyes- if theyre grey it leeds more towards the snake being a hg woma but since he refuses to take a picture i doubt the eyes are grey.

that breeding this snake to a champagne and getting pearly pied thingies doesnt prove anything, as u get the same type of animals from breeding a champ to a sable and a champ to a spider.


the snake resambles the original hg woma snake a bit but thats it. all other pictures and all other facts posted here plus the behavior leeds me just like 99% of the rest of u guys towards this snake not being an hg woma.

im just sorry for the person who spend 17,5k for a snake worth not even a small portion of that.

 

[Joe at PHR]

I see a group of people got together as a collective and intimidated Allan to get all of our stuff removed on the WOBP. The fact is, we wanted all of it removed anyway. We already knew that was going to happen... Just like what happened back in 06 on the other big advertising site. No Big Deal... I am glad we were on the WOBP for the time we were. As we have the correspondence and all the proof that we need period to satisfy us or anyone else in any capacity.

In fact, I am really glad I am here on FAUNA CLASSIFIEDS. This site is only for the 100% TRUTH and INTEGRITY of the INDUSTRY. The funny thing is, most of the people advertise on both big advertising sites. It is also where people can’t get pictures taken up and down on their word. People have to live by the sword and die by the sword on here period.

I am talking to the 20,000 plus people that are watching this thread closely. Not to the people posting on here as they don’t sign Clark’s and my paychecks... You can all read between the lines and see what is going on here. Clark and I are for the consumers purchasing the animals period. We always have been 100% for the consumer. If we ever make any claims, we back it up always with photographic proof. If you want a misconstrued snake from its original with big claims on Genetics (Hidden Gene Lessers needed that are not but just pretty Lessers), then buy from him. At least we wont say things like “I can’t explain it” or “I will eat my shoe if I am wrong" and then in the end just like the Hidden Gene Lessers “I don’t know what to tell you.” That happened right in this thread as well.

That is insulting everyone’s intelligence, completely inappropriate, and not giving the consumer a fair shake at all. We sell genetics here period. The more rare the genetics are in a snake, the more money the snake is worth (as long as it has eye appeal and there is a demand for it). It is not a complicated business. Make rare snakes, tell the TRUTH, provide the snake with a disease free super clean facility, and make sure the consumers who purchase from us are 100% satisfied. I also want to say, Most breeders blame me for crashing markets, when really they are selling animals back door at a much cheaper price. I just compete with that price and give it to the consumer. That is the way this industry works period. If I am hated for that, my feelings are not hurt in the least bit.

My snake is a little different than yours Kevin but very similar as your founding animal pictured in this thread is a Woma (with brown markings) with flames. My founding snake has black markings with flames and is definitely a Woma as well. Our Original Hidden Gene Woma looks more like your founding snake more than the Granite Hidden Gene Woma and that is a fact. Your stories have so many holes in them, as they change. No one will or can post definitve photographic proof of its genetics that you claim as seen in this thread last night. Also pictures being changed on the WOBP and everything else since this has been going on. I am glad I gave you the list to go off of.. Your Granite Hidden Gene Womas also have black markings as well as mine do that you sell to the public. I don’t mind being the person to stand up for the sake of the INTEGRITY of this INDUSTRY as I stated in the beginning of this thread. I am also not intimidated by you, as we all know. I put morals and ethics over anything first, as I would lose sleep if I did not.

I was only considering the WOBP to advertise in Europe and now I will just use another site. In fact, I am sure a lot of Europeans saw this little thread. We will display our new Morphs right here where they belong anyway. Just like we helped build this site with others and started advertising very expensive animals on here. Everyone that does business with me knows that, “what I say you can take to the bank”. It is always other people that haven’t bought from us that complains. We provide clean, high quality animals at great prices. We make no outrageous claims without providing photographic proof.

These people just want Clark and I to keep trying to satisfy them which we don’t need to at all. We are just all about the TRUTH as always. I have nothing to prove to the people posting against us on here, that is for sure. We take this industry very seriously and feel the need for full disclosure unlike others. We also feel the customer is first and stand behind everything we do 100%. If I am hated for that, oh well my feelings are not hurt at all.. The most important part of any business is the HONESTY and INTEGRITY towards the CONSUMERS. As I stated many times in this post and others, Clark and I are for the CUSTOMERS 100% and don’t believe in the misrepresentation of animals.

Thanks everyone for your business, time and understanding in this matter. No one who buys expensive animals is lacking the brain power to understand this. You all can read between the lines here.

Joe Capone at Power House Reptiles

 

[Willow]

You are still spouting nonsense

you say people can understand you...you say you are truthful....you say you are right...you say this and that....you say things like your WORD makes them truth.

99% of people still don't agree with you. You are still delusional. It's actually kinda scary....

Sadly...I feel bad for anyone who believes your crap and buys your animals. I'd be pissed if I bought a "Hidden Gene Woma" from you and it made your SUB PAR/INACCURATE versions of the morphs. Have fun selling MISREPRESENTED ANIMALS like a common scammer.

cuz you know...since 99% of the industry is disagreeing with you right now, I guess we just can't grasp your awesomeness.

 

[gsrept]

HAHAHA! I had to post again. you are so funny. More than one breeder that knows the snakes have come oon here to prove what you have is a normal woma. You keep talking about the truth yet not one word you have said has been the truth, PHR has ducked every question asked of them. And I believe you are the only one misconstruing the animals at hand. look back at yur own posts first you say there is no granite in his snakes then you say Kevins snakes look completely different because of the granite, so which is it. Power house reptiles does not even know what they are posting on their own thread. And just like with Amirs line of snakes you are trying to claim credit for a morph which you had no hand in making. So who is the liar? Who is charging 17.5k for animals that are only worth 3 at best Power House Reptiles is that's the answer.

 

[Ghi Reptiles]

I don't know you Joe with the exception of receiving some unintelligible ranting correspondence from you a few years back. What I do know is that someone who spouts off as much as you are here is usually trying to either hide something or cover something up. I can definitely read between the lines and it's scarey. It's also sad to think you will sell offspring from that animal as actual hidden gene womas and have a clear conscience when doing it.

I don't know about living by the sword and dying by the sword but I do know the difference between an honest businessman and a dishonest person.

Best of luck to you D'artagnan

 

[Ghi Reptiles]

Holy Crap Willow!!! For both of to hit it on the head so close like that? It must be obvious...

 

[Willow]

Joe just keep it up...the more you keep posting trying to confuse future generations into buying your crap, the more I'm going to reply that you are INSANE and a scammer. So keep it up, and anyone who does fall for your crap will have a sad SAD awakening when it's VERY obvious their combos are NOT hidden gene.

 

[gsrept]

Willow you are spot on.

 

[MikeWilbanks]

Most breeders blame me for crashing markets, when really they are selling animals back door at a much cheaper price. I just compete with that price and give it to the consumer. That is the way this industry works period. If I am hated for that, my feelings are not hurt in the least bit.

Joe, you made a video saying or insinuating that you and Wes were making HUNDREDS of Blue Eyed Leucistics. You said you that those morphs were not rare and that all the big breeders were lying to them. You said that you were mass producing them and were going to beat everyone's price. You LIED about your mass production, but people believed you. The fact is you were producing a hand full. The truth came out years later after Wes finally peeled you away from you. But the damage had been done. Many of the "Consumers", the smaller guys that had sunk their savings into the Mojave project in particular saw their investment crash as people panicked and dropped their prices because they believed your LIE. PERIOD...The bigger guys were able to weather the storm you created, but MANY little guys threw in the towel. That is sad and wrong. YOU are directly responsible for crushing their dreams and for what? So you could get even with breeders that you did not like? So you could make yourself feel important. It is really a very sad story.

We have had several years rebuilding this market. New people came in and it is getting stronger every year. I didn't even know you were still around. Then you start this thread and it is more attempted destruction. Why do you feel the need to destroy what we all have worked so hard to build? You are for the consumer? That would be a laugh if it were not so sad. The consumer, the guy just getting started is exactly who you are hurting, then and now. This rampage you have gone on now will create some doubt in the market. It is damaging and again not based on the truth. You have been asked time and time again for the emails you promised, for the eye color pics, for the PROOF you said you had and now you say you don't have to prove anything.....really? People can see with their own eyes what is happening here. I was even unclear on how the HGW stuff worked, but many people that know the TRUTH came forward and clarified the situation and now that WOB has seen this as well you want to say everyone is bad and you are good. This is really delusional. Your attempt to destroy did not work this time. You have a track record and now people know it. Credibility is EARNED, accomplishments are EARNED.

I put morals and ethics over anything first, as I would lose sleep if I did not. “what I say you can take to the bank”.

Very, very weird statement considering your past. Again people's dreams were crushed. I do not know a single breeder even today that is producing HUNDREDS of Blue Eyed Leucistics in the Mojave, Lesser, Russo complex and it was about 7 years ago that you made those statements. After the crash, I wanted to pick up some Super Mojaves for myself. I called around and guess what? I could only find a hand full.

These people just want Clark and I

Clark, so I am assuming you are the new Wes. You might want to give Wes a call and see how this story ends. I know Wes, he is a nice guy and this association almost destroyed him too. He has had several years trying to rebuild and regain a good reputation, but to this day there are MANY people that will not buy from him or speak to him. I view him as another victim, although he was complicit for a while.

I am sure one of us saved that old video with the "sea foam green" shoes. It sure would be cool if someone posted it for people that were not around then to see what you did. It would also be interesting to view it with the knowledge we have now about your true production.

 

[Get Sum]

Hey Johnny,

The soul suckers do also vary and can be made with the hidden gene lessers, lessers, butters, and mojaves. They may not all be as extreme as with the hidden gene lessers that Kevin uses but it can be done.

Matt, I thank you for the wonderful pics of the animals you posted on here. You brought up a recent point in which I also feel needs to be addressed: In your above statement, you mention that a Soul Sucker can be made from: Hidden Gene Lessers, Regular Lessers, Regular Butters and Mojaves (Everything in the BEL complex) Possibly a Het-Russo?

I watched a video from MA Balls where Kevin made a statement that: Soul Suckers can ONLY be made when using his hidden gene Lesser! If your above statement is true and correct, Does that mean Kevin could have knowingly misconstruded his Hidden Gene Lesser and scammed people out of paying a premium for them for the purpose of making Soul Suckers. His response regarding the Hidden Gene Lesser in this thread now states that he is uncertain and It is what it is.

If this is correct (your information posted above) I for one, would feel scammed if I had purchaced one of his Hidden gene Lessers at a Premium Price and the statement: It is what it is! would not sit to well with me as an excuse.

I understand that NERD is a huge name in our industry. I only would have expected Kevin to respond in a more professional manor, without the name calling and childish behavior. Reading this whole thread: Both Joe and Clark atleast handled themselves in a very professional manor despite all the negative post and name calling that went on. For that, I have more respect for them and will continue to be a happy PHR customer!

Also, not to get off topic but, Regarding the whole Wash-out / White-Out thing. When Clark first produced their now called wash-outs he listed them as AMIR's Citrus WHITE OUT animals giving Amir 100% credit. It was only after Amir informed Clark that the original pastel calico that was given to PHR in the form of partial payment from Amir, for animals that Amir sold (that were given to him upfront from PHR) was not produced by him or his citrus line of pastels. That is why the name was then changed to Wash-Out instead of White. (They are two seperate mutations or (Hidden genes) that create superior looking crosses!) PHR did not attempt to steal anything from Amir, they actually tried to give him all the credit up-front thinking it was his citrus line that influenced their combos.

 

[gsrept]

I think if you bought a hg lesser from kevin you paid a hundred or two more for it verse a regular lesser the difference is kevins lesser line is lighter than normal and throws a lot of babys with striping and not just with hg woma. I do not even think they are that much more I bought a HG kingpin from him 3 years ago and paid $1200 whats a normal kingpin back then $1200 so why not go with the best and not just another run of the mill snake. People got thier moneys worth either way.

 

[Otter_23]

With Joe and Clark it is only about the money. Over the years nothing has changed.

Joe I would like a list of the 20,000 people closely following this thread. Heck I would settle for 5,000. You do have the used car salesman talent for taking facts and what is real and completely disorting it to suit your needs.

 

[Ghi Reptiles]

Matt, I thank you for the wonderful pics of the animals you posted on here. You brought up a recent point in which I also feel needs to be addressed: In your above statement, you mention that a Soul Sucker can be made from: Hidden Gene Lessers, Regular Lessers, Regular Butters and Mojaves (Everything in the BEL complex) Possibly a Het-Russo?

I watched a video from MA Balls where Kevin made a statement that: Soul Suckers can ONLY be made when using his hidden gene Lesser! If your above statement is true and correct, Does that mean Kevin could have knowingly misconstruded his Hidden Gene Lesser and scammed people out of paying a premium for them for the purpose of making Soul Suckers. His response regarding the Hidden Gene Lesser in this thread now states that he is uncertain and It is what it is.

If this is correct (your information posted above) I for one, would feel scammed if I had purchaced one of his Hidden gene Lessers at a Premium Price and the statement: It is what it is! would not sit to well with me as an excuse.

You're welcome for the pics...my pleasure! I would suggest starting a soul sucker thread instead of deviating from Joe's thread which is covering a completely different subject

 

[Ghi Reptiles]

With Joe and Clark it is only about the money. Over the years nothing has changed.

Joe I would like a list of the 20,000 people closely following this thread. Heck I would settle for 5,000. You do have the used car salesman talent for taking facts and what is real and completely disorting it to suit your needs.

Good point...but the list needs to be constructed as follows:

1 - Last name first then first name.

2 - State where people are viewing thread from.

3 - Please skip a line like I am doing here so the text doesn't run together.

4 - Post all names in a clump showing all of the people hanging out of their posting areas.

5 - Eye color isn't that important when listing people viewing but if there is an albino person viewing please include a close-up of their eyes because they are cool!!!

6 - The list may be split into two different sections. (Clark you take A-M and Joe you take N-Z).

Any questions?

BTW...great post Mike Wilbanks!

 

[mountain top]

You have a lot of nerve to insinuate these gentleman cheated anyone, I received my animal on time, healthy and ready to go. Kevin Matthews