Info Rick & Edward Hernandez (Dreamer Reptile Rescue)

[Zombie's Morphs]

*This is just an informative post, I have not had any deals with these people, I am just stating what I know about them and their wrong doings*

These people are claiming to be a non profit reptile rescue and then they take in reptiles and flip them for large profits. I already contacted these guys letting them know when they posted a snake as a lesser ghost, that it was not that. They have reposted the same snake a few times changing what morph it is. They said they know nothing about ball pythons or their morphs and were going off what someone told them. They have 6 ads up from BPs to Burmese (which they spell bermease) to red tails.

I have absolutely no problems with someone selling their animals, as I am a business and do the same. However, when someone claims to be a non profit reptile rescue and then sells animals for hundreds of dollars and claims they have genetics that they don't, that's an issue. The thing is selling a lesser, then a lesser ghost, then a lesser woma that are all the same exact snake is lying and wrong. Not to mention it is a nice normal at best. If you are taking in unwanted reptiles for free or for a small delivery fee (as they state) and turn around and sell it for hundreds more, that's wrong. Doing it under the reuse of a non profit orginization is illegal I'm sure...

Here is their info and I copied their ads and emails:
Dreamer reptile rescue
Rick & Eddie Hernandez
#'s 916-966-3960, 916-705-3727
Email: [email protected]
Fair Oaks (sacramento area), CA

Ads:
Dreamer Reptile Rescue (Fair Oaks)
Date: 2012-06-06, 2:53PM PDT
Reply to: [email protected] [Errors when replying to ads?]

Hi we have a reptile rescue service. We help with reptiles that are unwanted, or just cant care for anymore. We are a non-profit reptile rescue group. All our extra money goes into the reptiles habitat, equipment, food, and medicine for the reptiles. We spend most of our time looking for unwanted reptiles and taking calls to help out people with their reptiles. So feel free to call rick and text eddie. We love reptiles with all our hearts. We also build custom reptile tanks. We are here to make your dreams come true reptile wise.

Snake whisperer Ricks#(916)966-3960 Father
Lizard whisperer Eddies#(916)705-3727 Son



redtails and dumeril boa (Fair Oaks)

Date: 2012-06-04, 7:32PM PDT
Reply to: [email protected] [Errors when replying to ads?]

4 feet to 6 feet long. prices from 60 to 120. dumeril 4 feet.

we also have columbian red tails, lesser ghost ball python, hypo redtails, albino bermease python, green bermease python, peach fire and leatherback bearded dragon morphs, savannah monitor, nile monitor, red ear slider.

we have a reptile rescue service we also take in unwanted reptiles and equipment. or give small rehoming fees for delivering.

for more information call rick 916 9663960



6 and half feet red tail boas (Fair Oaks)

Date: 2012-06-04, 6:40PM PDT
Reply to: [email protected] [Errors when replying to ads?]

i have 2 columbian red tails boas very tame and beautiful. comes with a 200 gallon custom tank with pullout screens. comes with uva light and night light. theres a crack on the bottom. rehoming fee of 600 or reasonable offer for snakes alone tank 200 extra.

we also have columbian red tails, hypo redtails, albino bermease python,peach fire and leatherback bearded dragon morphs, savannah monitor, nile monitor, red ear slidre lesser ghost ball python.

we have a reptile rescue service we also take in unwanted reptiles and equipment. or give small rehoming fees for delivering.

for more information call rick 916 9663960


albino bermease Python (Fair Oaks)

Date: 2012-06-04, 6:38PM PDT
Reply to: [email protected] [Errors when replying to ads?]

6 foot 1 inch male albino bermease python ready to breed. flawless. won 1st place cold blood beaty contest from petco. extreamly healthy. 300 alone. or 400 with tank uva and uvb light and fictures. water bowl.

we also have columbian red tails, hypo redtails, lesser ghost ball python, peach fire and leatherback bearded dragon morphs, savannah monitor, nile monitor, red ear slider.

we have a reptile rescue service we also take in unwanted reptiles and equipment. or give small rehoming fees for delivering.

for more information 916 966 3960



Lesser woma Morph Ball python (Fair Oaks)

Date: 2012-06-04, 6:29PM PDT
Reply to: [email protected] [Errors when replying to ads?]

I Have a lesser woma ball python. Beautiful and friendly. 4 feet, male perfect breeder, healthy never bitten me. no mites no scratches. rehoming fee of 250 or reasonable offer

we also have columbian red tails, hypo redtails, albino bermease python, peach fire and leatherback bearded dragon morphs, savannah monitor, nile monitor, red ear slider.

we have a reptile rescue service we also take in unwanted reptiles and equipment. or give small rehoming fees for delivering.

for mor information call rick at 916 9663960.


Emails: (in reverse order)

-After this last email, I found out that they were posing as a non profit and taking in the animals then selling them so I stopped contact with them-

From: Edward Hernandez [email protected]
To: Tim <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, June 4, 2012 10:32 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Lesser Ghost Morph Ball python (Fair Oaks)

no problem. we went off what weve been told by others but we can always use your help if ya dont mind me emailing you time to time for my ball pythons. im more expierensed with lizards.

From: Tim <[email protected]>
To: Edward Hernandez <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, June 4, 2012 10:28 PM
Subject: Re: Lesser Ghost Morph Ball python (Fair Oaks)


Just checked it out, it may be a ghost (still hard to tell), but is definitely not lesser. I am really not trying to be mean or anything I am a legitimate business licensed ball python breeder. Just trying to help you so you don't sell an animal saying it has certain genetics for breeding when it doesn't ya know? Here is a pic of a normal lesser to show you a comparison and a picture of a pastel lesser...

Edward Hernandez <[email protected]> wrote:

>we put a better picture of our lesser go check it out
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>________________________________
>From: Tim <[email protected]>
>To: [email protected]
>Sent: Monday, June 4, 2012 9:56 PM
>Subject: Lesser Ghost Morph Ball python (Fair Oaks)
>
>Not trying to be mean, but that is not a lesser ball python. It may be the lighting but I don't see ghost either. Don't mean to be the bearer of bad news...
>
>http://sacramento.craigslist.org/pet/3057883735.html

 

[MissFirefly]

As someone from a legitimate reptile rescue (we are working on getting our certification now) this type of post infuriates me! These guys, if the allegations are true, make other rescues who are working with the animals' best interests in mind look bad and cast doubt to people if they can trust us to not turn around and flip their pets. Also, you shouldn't be making money off of rescues. I know they are saying all the money is going back to the animals, and maybe it is (I don't know much about snake care costs), but when we offer our animals up for adoptions we're lucky if the adoption fee covers 1/4 of the vet bills never mind the tanks, electricity, food, etc.

Have you notified them of this thread? I would like to see how they justify such high adoption costs and explain how it's OK to try to home a snake when you don't even know what type it is and thus might be misleading the adopter.

 

[Lucille]

From: Edward Hernandez [email protected]
To: Tim <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, June 4, 2012 10:32 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Lesser Ghost Morph Ball python (Fair Oaks)

no problem. we went off what weve been told by others but we can always use your help if ya dont mind me emailing you time to time for my ball pythons. im more expierensed with lizards.

It seems as if they understood what you said and are asking your help. Did you notify them of this thread?

 

[Zombie's Morphs]

It seems as if they understood what you said and are asking your help. Did you notify them of this thread?

I did email them about the thread. There are a few other people posting on CL about what they are doing.

He did seem to understand what I was saying about the genetics of that particular snake, but then he went ahead and changed it from a lesser ghost to a lesser woma. I emailed him asking why he would do that after I explained it wasn't a lesser and received no responses.

I understand some people are ignorant to ball python genetics, but he just changed it to a more expensive morph still including lesser. If he had changed it and stopped claiming it was what it wasn't then no problem. I do believe the bigger issue is that they are claiming to be a 501(c) and they are not. They are very ignorant in these species they are taking and asking large amounts of money for them to obviously make a profit. They are asking $600 for 2 normal 6ft red tail boas and an additional $200 for their enclosure, that's not a small rehoming fee. Like the other person said, I hate when people claim to be a non profit rescue to get animals for free to sell them.

I used to do rescue work for 10 years and have seen some really crappy stuff done to reptiles. I was not a non profit and never claimed to be. I never sold any animals and usually lost a lot of money trying to help them. It just makes me mad to see people doing this. If they wanted to do rescue then do it right, ya know?

 

[Lucille]

Did they say they were a 501(c)?

 

[Zombie's Morphs]

I thought I included this email, sorry.

From: Tim <[email protected]>
To: Edward Hernandez <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, June 4, 2012 10:28 PM
Subject: Re: Lesser Ghost Morph Ball python (Fair Oaks)

I noticed you changed the ad to say it is a lesser woma now. It is not either a lesser nor a woma. You say you are a non profit rescue but you are selling snakes and are misleading what their genetics are. The reptile industry really doesn't need more bad publicity right now with all the bans going on...

 

[Zombie's Morphs]

Did they say they were a 501(c)?

They claim to be a non profit orginization. They didnt actually use the code 501(c).

 

[Lucille]

There is a big difference. I feel like if you are going to go after someone here in public, you should be careful in your accusations.

asking large amounts of money for them to obviously make a profit.

If they do in fact use every scrap of the money they make to help with costs to cover food and medical care of the critters they take in, is that profit?

 

[Lucille]

I do feel like misrepresenting animals is wrong. To me, if their misrepresentations continue after they have been informed, they are Bad Guys.

 

[Zombie's Morphs]

There is a big difference. I feel like if you are going to go after someone here in public, you should be careful in your accusations.

I am not going after anybody, I didnt even post this as a bad guy thread. I posted this strictly as an information thread that these people are in fact claiming to be a non profit and selling their animals. If I used the 501(c) incorrectly then I apologize, as they didnt say they had a tax exempt status. However, some people may not know the difference that are giving their animals over to them.


If they do in fact use every scrap of the money they make to help with costs to cover food and medical care of the critters they take in, is that profit?

If you get a snake for free, then sell it for $600 a week later, that is making a profit. You didn't spend any money on housing that snake, at least not $600 worth. Seeing as how they can't even spell burmese or continue to sell snakes as something they arent then I will continue to have a problem with it. I am protective of this hobby/industry and have every right to be. When someone is up to no good in my area isn't it the responsibility of myself and others in this industry to blow the whistle? Or should I just let it go and have to be the bearer of bad news when a teenage kid comes to show me his new lesser woma he got for $250?

 

[Zombie's Morphs]

Hope that didnt sound like I was fighting with you Lucille. Just trying to get my point across, ya know? I know tone cant be projected in text...

 

[Zombie's Morphs]

*some of my previous response ended up in your quote... (my bad, sorry)

 

[Lucille]

If you get a snake for free, then sell it for $600 a week later, that is making a profit.

Is it? What if ALL of that $600 goes towards food and medical care of the critters you have taken in?
I'd certainly like to ask them about how much they spend at the vet and so on. But if not a penny goes into their pocket for themselves, but all goes to critter care, is that profit?

 

[Lucille]

Hope that didnt sound like I was fighting with you Lucille. Just trying to get my point across, ya know? I know tone cant be projected in text...

It's all good I'm not fighting with you either, just asking questions. Certainly I am not siding with people who allegedly are misrepresenting the critters they are trying to sell. But if they quit that, and just use a bunch of money to help critters......

 

[Zombie's Morphs]

Is it? What if ALL of that $600 goes towards food and medical care of the critters you have taken in?
I'd certainly like to ask them about how much they spend at the vet and so on. But if not a penny goes into their pocket for themselves, but all goes to critter care, is that profit?

I do see what you mean, but the way they are selling along with misrepresenting the animals I doubt the money is going back to animals. There are a bunch of people that have been posting on CL warning people to watch out for these people as well. Even stating that when they contacted them the son (Eddie) flat out said he makes profits. I can't substantiate that because it wasn't said to me tho...

It's all good I'm not fighting with you either, just asking questions. Certainly I am not siding with people who allegedly are misrepresenting the critters they are trying to sell. But if they quit that, and just use a bunch of money to help critters......

Like I was saying before, I dont mind people selling their animals, there is just something inherently wrong with picking animals up for free and posting them for hundreds a week later. Not even a quarantine was done in that short time. If someone has no idea about the animals they are "rescuing" then how could they possibly know how to take care of them? Being a bad speller is one thing (burmese not bermease), but they have even claimed they had a royal morph ball python. Someone even mentioned when they contacted them about the animal not being a lesser that they said "well it's part lesser". Thats either pure ignorance, or flat out lying...

 

[Lucille]

You have a good point. Rescues should take responsibility to know about the critters they are rescuing.

A tipoff to the IRS might be an idea. If they can indeed come up with receipts to show that every penny went for care, they might be treated in a different way than if they are flipping free critters and perhaps not reporting that income

You would think that with their reptile pickup service, they would have received and responded to the thread notification by now.

 

[Zombie's Morphs]

I don't even know if they are on here. I sent an email to the son (Eddie), but he didn't respond to my last email calling them out either...

 

[hadenglock]

If they dont even have a 501(c) license then i wouldnt even bother going to them. It should be easy enough to obtain one of those so what does that tell you about them?

 

[Lucille]

If they dont even have a 501(c) license then i wouldnt even bother going to them. It should be easy enough to obtain one of those so what does that tell you about them?

It sounds like it isn't easy peazy, I'd like to hear from someone who got one....

http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/nonprofit-tax-exempt-status-501c3-30124.html

 

[Sushi Dragons]

I am sure there are a lot of legitimate rescues out there that do not have non-profit status. But there are just far too many people calling themselves rescues when they are just flipping animals willy-nilly.

I have no problem with rescues rehoming animals for a fee, but I don't think it's too much to ask for the animal to be quarantined and vet checked (with veterinary paperwork provided) before rehoming.

Too many "rescues" are going around collecting animals for free and then rehoming them for exorbitant fees the next day. There is just a lot wrong with that in my opinion.

I suspect that the individuals in question on this thread are not really in it for the animals or they would at least seek to educate themselves. If someone were to tell me that my lesser ghost was a normal, I would look into it. If they admittedly know very little about the snakes in their care, would they recognize any health problems? Do they know about proper housing and husbandry? Do they offer any sort of guarantee with their animals? My guess is no.

I think the IRS tip off is a great idea. If they are indeed reaping no monetary rewards for their efforts it might be a bit different. Though, there are other concerns that should be addressed.