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are their different mojave lines?

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I am not aware of many different mojave lines.... Are they out there? I know of Brian Gundy's gold blush stuff....

Would like to know what "established" lines are out there and what you all think of them
 
Like you said Brian Gundy has the gold blush line. They have great contrast and throw reduced floating "eyes" in thethe pattern along with the signature gold blushing. He also has a line called "buckskin". Im not to sure what is going on with them but I have seen them in some of his videos. For the most part mojaves are just mojaves, not many specific lines. Hope that helped a bit
 
I'm going to ask the direct question - what makes a line? In many cases, it is simply a matter of a new import with somewhat similar looks that may/may not be compatible with what is already in captivity. Sometimes, through selective breeding, a person comes up with something that appears different enough (or special enough) that they market it as their own line....whether it is accepted as such is a different story. With the bigger names, it usually will be, lol...but new names will generally just be scoffed at.

As far as mojaves - there are a few different looks out there, but I don't think most are distinct enough, (yet) to be called a line. I've heard of the gold blush line, but I honestly haven't looked at it closely enough to comment...but I guess name recognition is half the battle and a good part of the goal, so if the animals are distinct enough, why not.
If I get lucky with my project, maybe it will one day be considered a unique line...but, realistically, somebody else is probably already working on it; it won't work; or I'll have to start selling them before I get that far
 
Well it seems to me that both can apply... New YB, or pastels or whatever coming in from Africa may in fact be a separate line.... but it isn't out of the realm of possibility that they share genes with already established animals... as you said some are compatible etc.

But it seems more likely, also as you said Harald, that it comes down to an established breeder who has animals producing unique and likely desirable genetic traits and slapping their name on them. I don't see how one could argue whether its a separate line.... only whether its worth singling out


hhmoore said:
If I get lucky with my project, maybe it will one day be considered a unique line...but, realistically, somebody else is probably already working on it; it won't work; or I'll have to start selling them before I get that far
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I'll bite... what could bare the name the "HHMOORE" line ?
 
I think it takes more than getting a couple of nice snakes to make "a line", which is why the newer/smaller names get scoffed at when they try to pin their name on something. The big guys have the space to hold onto the growing quantities of animals and take the time to both ensure the look is reproducible, and build/outcross/diversify before releasing animals with a fancy new name tag.

As far as my efforts, you've seen the trio that I'm considering my foundation stock. They don't match, necessarily; but they have similarities....and if I can reproduce the desired results by breeding those three, I'll have to 1) make more, and 2) ascertain which ones are passing the trait along.
I think that the look is desirable enough to expend the effort; and, if I can consistently reproduce the look, I think it is definitely worthy of being considered "a line".
 
I've known Brian for a while now, 10+ years. Sent him a link to this thread, he said he might come post (he's usually pretty busy). Anyways, Brian has been selectively breeding his mojaves for 9 years now to create his Gold Blush line.

There are lots of named lines in the boa world. "Lines" being specific selectively bred traits, not necessarily a 'different morph'. I can hardly keep track of how many pastel lines there are in boas. As more people (hopefully) focus on selective breeding their morphs, more and more line names will probably start popping up.

Harald's got the makings of a killer reduced mojave line IMO.
 
Setting aside the question of selectively bred lines for a moment, have there been any additional mojave’s imported other than the one that TSK used to found the mojave morph? I was thinking it was like spider and all traced back to a single animal.

It is interesting if there could then be actual additional mutations to the gene after it's in captivity resulting in some lines actually being different at the mojave level and not just other genes selectively bred into them. The difference would be that the line look would tend to stay with the decedents more than just selective breeding which could be lost as soon as you breed the line into your normal.
 
AbsoluteApril said:
I've known Brian for a while now, 10+ years. Sent him a link to this thread, he said he might come post (he's usually pretty busy). Anyways, Brian has been selectively breeding his mojaves for 9 years now to create his Gold Blush line.

There are lots of named lines in the boa world. "Lines" being specific selectively bred traits, not necessarily a 'different morph'. I can hardly keep track of how many pastel lines there are in boas. As more people (hopefully) focus on selective breeding their morphs, more and more line names will probably start popping up.

Harald's got the makings of a killer reduced mojave line IMO.
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April,

My original male mojave was purchased from Dan and Colette Southerland about 9 years ago. Dan and Colette are the originators of the morph that we call mojave. For the past 8 seasons I have focused my efforts on selectively breeding my ball pythons to enhance the color and pattern colors. Not only are most of my mojaves and mojave combos related, but most of my pieds, het pieds, pastels and bees related.

I'm not sure if calling the gold blush mojaves that I produce a separate line or a strain. We should not forget that my group of mojaves along with everyone else's mojaves come from the same stock that Dan and Colette Southerland introduced to us many years ago.

I give a lot of thanks and credit to those that produced the snakes that started my base collection.

I hope you're doing well.


Brian Gundy
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