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Bad Guy RodentPro- Zoonotic disease warning

Animal food is not USDA regulated.

Current price reflects post outbreak adjustments by Rodent Pro, there has been no major increase in cost to produce mice.

State or federal laws, regulations, or permits if put into place for the feeder industry will effect cost; how much depends greatly on how restrictive they are.

Better breeders will take steps to prevent this from effecting their rodents, which equals their livelyhood. Testing is prohibitively expensive, PCR tests for a number of common illnesses found in a single rodent can cost upwards of $300. Prevention is certainly the key.

If you took the time to find my facebook post that references this topic you can see that I knew about this issue much earlier, initially I somewhat doubted it all as some of you are now. Then I got on the phone, my first verification came from Doug Metcalf.

I think the facts are contained in personal communications not texts or emails or clean easy to link to web pages. What is found in those places though is a total lack of acknowledgment of the existance of this issue by any company be it Rodent Pro or Mouse House.

As for the time frame, Rodent Pro and Mouse House both were placed under quarantine, they did so in reaction to this event not proactivly on a scheduld. There may never be a solid start time to this event.

Maurice Pudlo

Animal food may not be usda regulated, but rodent breeding is. Here is the best document I could find on this...

www.aphis.usda.gov/animal_welfare/downloads/aw/awlicreg.pdf

There are certainly a few exemptions that rodent pro may be trying to use &/or successfully using, but if that is the case, and if this is true, I would think their exempt status would work against them in the long run.
 
Animal food may not be usda regulated, but rodent breeding is. Here is the best document I could find on this...

www.aphis.usda.gov/animal_welfare/downloads/aw/awlicreg.pdf

There are certainly a few exemptions that rodent pro may be trying to use &/or successfully using, but if that is the case, and if this is true, I would think their exempt status would work against them in the long run.

The regulation is they are exempt if they make less than $500 annually(hobby breeder). Anything above that they are required to be licensed for selling them as food. Reptiles luckily aren't part of the USDA rulings

Hobby Breeders: Small-scale breeders with gross sales under $500 per year are exempt, as long
as these sales do not include wild or exotic animals, dogs, or cats. If you own no more than three
breeding female dogs or cats and sell the offspring, into the pet channels only, you are exempt.
 
Only thing on the link provided about mice/rats

Institutions Using Only Nonregulated Species: A research institution is exempt if it uses only
laboratory animals exempted by law or regulation. Examples are birds and domestic rats and
mice. Wild species of rats and mice are regulated.

Many businesses that buy or sell warmblooded animals, exhibit them to the public, transport
them commercially, or use them in experiments or teaching must be licensed or registered by the
U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA). Normal farm-type operations that raise, or buy and sell,
animals only for food and fiber, and businesses that use only fish and other coldblooded animals
are exempt by law; those that use only rats, mice, or birds are exempt by regulation.
 
Lack of notification is very unprofessional. I'm VERY disappointed with RodentPro to say the least. MLR will be seeking a new supplier for frozen rodents.
 
More info:
http://www.nrt.org/production/NRT/NRTWeb.nsf/AllAttachmentsByTitle/A-1009WMDQRGLCMV/$File/07LymphocyticChoriomeningitisVirus(LCMV)QRG.pdf?Op
 
Report any release of WMD to the National Response Center 1-800- Lymphocytic Choriomeningitis Virus (LCMV) 424-8802. For References, Please See: Key References Cited/Used*
in National Response Team (NRT) Quick Reference Guides (QRGs) for Biological Warfare Agents.
Agent Classification: Biological Type: Virus (Arenaviridae) CDC Class: A Bio-Safety Level: 4
Warning: This virus is highly infectious and causes severe human disease. Responders should only risk exposure if deemed absolutely necessary by Subject Matter Experts (SMEs) and the use of Personal Protective Equipment (PPE) and infection control practices deemed adequate by SMEs are rigorously observed.
Description: The lymphocytic choriomeningitis virus (LCMV) is an enveloped RNA virus that is transmitted by rodents. This virus is spread through contact with urine, saliva, blood, or feces of infected hosts (e.g., rodents). Airborne transmission and contact with contaminated surfaces is also possible. If weaponized, this virus may be highly aerosol- izable.
Infectivity/Lethality: High/High.
Persistence/Stability: Persistence of these organisms in the environment is not well documented. Extreme caution should be exercised.
Incubation Period: 8-13 days.
Person-to-Person Transmission: Possible by coming in contact with infected persons and bodily fluids.
Treatments: Quarantine of infected individuals is needed to protect caregivers and other patients. Corticosteroids; otherwise treatment is supportive.
Air/Aerosolization: Devices designed to detect aerosolized LCMV are not available. Thus, airborne releases of LCMV are likely to be identified only after exposed persons become ill. Environmental sampling will be needed to test for aerosolization and effectiveness of decon.
Soil/Surfaces: LCMV will most likely pose a non-porous surface hazard.
Water: The viral particles could potentially survive for long periods of time in untreated water.
Other: Depending upon the threat, rodent control might be necessary.
Symptoms may occur within 8-13 days.
Initial signs and symptoms include fever, eye redness, fatigue, dizziness, muscle aches, loss of strength, and exhaustion. Severe cases show signs of bleed- ing under the skin, internal organs, or from body orifices like the mouth, eyes, or ears. Severely ill patients show shock, nervous system malfunction, coma, delirium, and seizures.
Inhalation: Inhalation is the primary route of exposure in the event of a bioterror attack. With LCMV, inhalation of tiny viral particles from rodent feces, blood, urine, saliva, etc. can serve as a route of exposure.
Skin: Direct contact with rodent feces, blood, urine, saliva, bites, etc. can serve as a route of exposure. Transmission can occur through contact with infected persons and their bodily fluids. Infection through cracks in skin and through conjunctiva can occur.
Ingestion: Exposure can occur from eating contaminated food or drinking contaminated water. Eyes: Can be exposed through contact with bodily fluids of infected patients.
Specific Effect Levels Are Unknown. Lethality reflects the relative ease with which an agent causes death in a susceptible population and can be represented quantitatively by the exposed population mortality rates. Arenaviridae are highly lethal. Infectivity refers to how easily an agent can cause disease in a host. An agent is highly infective when few organisms can cause disease. An infective dose is the number of organisms required to cause disease in an exposed person. Given the uncertainties regarding published infective doses for bioagents, it is important to examine what the infectivity numbers represent, including the routes of exposure and the animal species used for the lab studies. Responders should not assume that an infective dose estimate represents a safe level. For instance, for inhalation anthrax and other severe or lethal diseases, the infective dose is the LD50 (a.k.a. “Lethal Dose 50%). The LD50 stands for the dose administered which kills half the exposed population, if untreated. Please contact the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) for more information: (404) 639-3311.
Check with your appointed Health and Safety Officer regarding PPE, Medical Surveillance, and Health and Safety Plan (HASP). Level of PPE may vary depend- ing upon the circumstances of the site and the incident. The PPE Levels listed are general suggestions only and are appropriate only for LCMV; they may not provide protection for the other chemicals that workers may be exposed to during response/recovery operation.
Baseline: Annual physical and respiratory function exams.
Treatments Available: Quarantine of infected individuals is needed to protect caregivers and other patients. Corticosteroids; otherwise treatment is support- ive.
During Incident: Conduct medical monitoring; use PPE as designated by the HASP; document PPE levels used; observe for fever and other signs and symp- toms as listed under Health Effects, and ensure medical attention is provided as soon as possible if necessary.
Post Incident: Monitor for signs/symptoms and ensure medical attention is provided as soon as possible if necessary.
Contaminated PPE, equipment, or surfaces can be decontaminated with a dilute household bleach solution. Household bleach is 5% sodium hypochlorite. To create a dilute bleach solution, add household bleach to water (add 1 part bleach to 9 parts water) yielding a 0.5% sodium hypochlorite solution. Use warm soapy water for personal/skin decon, taking care to avoid abrading the skin.
Emergency Response to a Suspected Biological Incident: The following recommendations are based on CDC Interim Recommendations for the Selection and Use of Protective Clothing and Respirators Against Biological Agents: http://www.bt.cdc.gov/documentsapp/Anthrax/Protective/10242001Protect.aspt.asp

.
ONSET
SIGNS/ SYMPTOMS
EXPOSURE ROUTES

CONCERNS
MEDICAL SURVEILLANCE
FIRST AID/ DECON
PPE
PPE
Pressure-demand SCBA with Level A protective suit.
Pressure-demand SCBA with Level B protective suit.
Full-facepiece respirator with P100 filter or PAPR with HEPA filters. Disposable hooded coveralls, gloves, and foot coverings.
CIRCUMSTANCES
• Event is uncontrolled.
• The type(s) of airborne agent(s) is unknown.
• The dissemination method is unknown.
• Dissemination via an aerosol-generating device is still occurring.
• Dissemination via an aerosol-generating device has stopped, but there is no informa-
tion on the duration of dissemination, or what the exposure concentration may be.
• The suspected biological aerosol is no longer being generated. • Other conditions may present a splash hazard.
• An aerosol-generating device was not used to create high airborne concentration. • Dissemination was by a letter, package, or other material that can be bagged, con-
tained, etc.
Other Workers: PPE recommendations for workers other than emergency responders must be developed in the HASP for the specific scenario, as noted previously. PPE recommendations will vary by job type (cleanup, decon, rodent control, medical, etc.), type of exposure (airborne or surface/liquid/soil hazard), and any additional site hazards that may need to be considered (chemical, physical, etc.).
Since there is no field detection, LCMV is only identified once patients present with symptoms
 
I understand the concerns raised in this thread. I myself purchased both mice and rats from Rodent Pro in early April and have emailed them about the situation. But I also appreciate Waffa's post earlier in this thread. I'm concerned that we may be overreacting to the alleged threat of this alleged virus.
 
we may be overreacting .

Like anything else on the BOI, people are free to read information here and form their own opinions. There is no 'we', it is not necessary that all of us have the same opinion about either business issues or health issues.
There are two separate issues here: How Rodent Pro handled this issue, and the level of risk people face on exposure to lymphocytic choriomeningitis in general.
 
Those of us with immuno-compromised family members greatly appreciate this thread being posted.

My wife is ill and has to take weekly shots and it suppresses her auto immune system. She has Severe Rheumatoid Arthritis and Lupus.
The only good thing is i havent used RP in quite awhile.

What i would like to know is how do the rats get this? I breed my own and would
not like to be the cause for my wife to get sick from this.
Any help or references would be much appreciated ! What prevention to use. I clean out my cages every 3 days and wipe clean with Chlorhexidine 2%.
Thanks
 
Here is what I have dug up. Sorry if it has been posted all ready.

http://www.farmworldonline.com/news/NewsArticle.asp?newsid=14991

this reads as follows.

By MEGGIE. I. FOSTER
Assistant Editor

INDIANAPOLIS, Ind. — Busy and nerve-racking could only be the words to describe the month of June for the foreign animal disease (FAD) diagnostic team with the Indiana Board of Animal Health.
Dr. Jodi Lovejoy, district 8 field veterinarian with BOAH, can attest since she heads up the FAD division for the agency and has been on the road for three different, quite serious cases, investigating, collecting tissue samples, consulting with livestock producers and protecting public and animal health.

Just another day on the job for Dr. Lovejoy.

The most interesting case and the one that had the Board of Animal Health in a bout of both shock and awe and the occasional burst of uncomfortable laughter was a Lymphocytic Choriomeningitis outbreak in southern Indiana.

Lymphocytic Choriomeningitis known as LCM or LCMV is a rodent-born viral disease that affects nearly five percent of the mice population. Humans exposed to fresh mice or rat urine, dropping and saliva can become quite ill, Lovejoy explained. While some humans do not show clinical symptoms, others show biphasic symptoms meaning that there are two phases of symptoms - the first is flu-like including chest pain and testicular pain. The second phase of symptoms includes meningitis, fever and severe headache. Lovejoy also added that pregnant women with LCM can spontaneously abort the fetus or the child will have birth defects and if the affected patient transplants an organ, the transplant recipient may become pass away, instantly.

The tip to an LCM case rang into BOAH’s office on May 2, when the agency was contacted by the Center for Disease Control (CDC).
“A very astute doctor noticed the symptoms for LCM, so he tested for it and sure enough … so he contacted the CDC right away,” she said.

After BOAH received the call, Dr. Lovejoy was on the road to southern Indiana the very same day the call came into the office. She found that the person affected with LCM worked at a commercial rodent production facility. The facility, which employed 52 works, was made up of four different buildings, housing a grand total of 156,000 adult mice and 13,500 adult rats, not including babies. The business produces, processes and packages live product and frozen product, much of which is contracted to exotic animal farms and zoos.

Dr. Lovejoy found that 13 of the facility’s employees were positive for LCM, nine reported that there were ill and six sought medical care.

She sampled a total of 1,820 mice and rats - 399 rats tested all of which were negative and 1,491 mice, 296 of which tested positive. There was an infection rate in the mice of 21 percent, determined Lovejoy.
She quickly wrote a quarantine for each building, putting a halt on sales, production and packaging.
Lovejoy, who worked closely with the owner of the facility, said that 20,000 to 30,000 mice and rat products were shipped per day, five days a week.

“This isn’t a common disease, so we weren’t sure how to proceed,” said Dr. Lovejoy, adding that six state and federal agencies were involved in the quarantine including Occupational Safety and Health Administration, Indiana Department of Health, Indiana Department of Environmental Management, the county health department, the CDC and BOAH. “The agencies quickly worked together to develop a game plan.”

Lovejoy said that if all mice and rats be were to be depopulated in all four barns, the buildings would be cleared and disinfected, then BOAH would lift the quarantine on the facility.

“Luckily, they did all their own depopulating and disinfecting, it worked out well, they were the experts,” she said, adding that OSHA required the employees to wear coveralls, foot wear, a mask and hoodie. “It was a huge nightmare they had to go through. We’re talking about thousands of rats, and aisle after aisle of boxes of mice. They ended up handling the trays (that housed the mice) three to four times during disinfection and depopulation for thousands of rats and mice.”

Lovejoy added that all the mice and rats were buried and they burned the litter.

“When we went back for an inspection, we found 12 mice running loose,” she said. “I remember the manager telling me that they couldn’t get every mouse. I said you have no other choice. The feces, the litter, they are contaminating the facility. We advised them to poison the water and that seemed to remedy the situation. We lifted the quarantine on July 11.”

In addition to the BOAH investigation, Lovejoy mentioned that the local county health department is requesting the shipping records from the facility.

“So we’ll continue to examine how this infection started,” she said.
Lovejoy, who worked in close contact with the facility’s owner, said that he estimated $750,000 worth of losses due to the quarantine and that it would cost $400,000 to repopulate.

“We can’t dream this stuff up,” said State Veterinarian Bret Marsh. “We’re just so fortunate to have such a great team here standing ready to deal with these kind of issues. And this is certainly a unique case – we’ve never seen anything like this.”
7/19/2012

Ted Adams @ RR
 
My wife is ill and has to take weekly shots and it suppresses her auto immune system. She has Severe Rheumatoid Arthritis and Lupus.
The only good thing is i havent used RP in quite awhile.

What i would like to know is how do the rats get this? I breed my own and would
not like to be the cause for my wife to get sick from this.
Any help or references would be much appreciated ! What prevention to use. I clean out my cages every 3 days and wipe clean with Chlorhexidine 2%.
Thanks

It sounds like it could be an air borne virus. I don't have time to verify this, but that is usually the case when the disease can be transmitted through exposure to feces. Your rats should not be in her air space, basically. I have lupus as well, and had a very bad year last year. I had to go on steroids, which are mildly immunosuppressive and was possibly looking at going on full blown immunosuppressive therapy, so I did some reading. People on these therapies are cautioned about having contact with mammals in general, and birds. You aren't even supposed to change a cat box when you are undergoing this therapy. I will try to find a link later today, but I would suggest that you keep your rats in a separate air space from your wife anyway, regardless of whether they might carry this particular disease or not unless they are pets, and then I would get them vet checked to be sure they are not carrying anything that could make her sick.
 
So since it really seems to be mice and hamsters that carry it more so than rats, I am guessing that my shipment from April 2, 2012 should be OK. I am pretty sure given what I'm reading here that I will never hear anything about it from RodentPro. I wonder if I should tell the guy that I donated those rats to about it.

And if I am not seeing symptoms by now, I would assume I am safe as well - 8-13 days has long since passed. :)
 
How sad for the employees to have to kill all those rodents for "nothing." What a huge financial loss. I wonder if insurance covers them at all. Hmm, I was picking up frozen mice elsewhere last week and was told they needed a little notice to get adults together due to the shortage. I wonder if they were referring to this. It will affect all of us, even those who weren't RP customers.
 
Thanks Lucille.

Donna,my wife has a bad year every year between the two issues. She just got going today after 4 days in rest mode.She eats percocets like candy when she has her flare ups and she has a kidney Dr due to all her meds.

Now i seen this,i am worried about what my rat colony can pass to my wife. The rat racks are in my basement,which i assume is my wife's air space?
I guess its time to take some to my vet and get them checked out. They are happy and super friendly,clean and show no signs of any infections. But,my wifes health and good being are not worth the risk.

Has anyone herd of any small hobby breeders having this type or anything serious with their rat colony. I only have a few racks.
 
I know this as the potential to impact many; but let's try to keep this from wandering into personal territory. This thread is about Rodent Pro, and their situation - please keep that in mind. Due to the nature of things, some question & answer about the disease is expected and appropriate; but that doesn't mean free range. A separate discussion thread about the disease and associated (non-Rodent Pro) issues is recommended.
 
Thanks Lucille.

Donna,my wife has a bad year every year between the two issues. She just got going today after 4 days in rest mode.She eats percocets like candy when she has her flare ups and she has a kidney Dr due to all her meds.

Now i seen this,i am worried about what my rat colony can pass to my wife. The rat racks are in my basement,which i assume is my wife's air space?

What I would suggest is that she isn't at great risk unless you dump your bedding in such a way that it creates dust. This particular disease might not live long outside the body since they stress to avoid fresh droppings and urine. I don't have time to look into this right now, but other diseases can be transmitted through bedding dust that contains feces. Don't panic, but just think about minimizing her exposure both in your air space and physical proximity. The basement might be fine if you don't let their feces dry too much before you change the bedding.

You should also wear disposable gloves when you clean so that you don't carry anything into her environment.
 
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