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So I won an auction on the Facebook Reptiles Auction page and I paid for the snake in full that night. It was Thursday Aug 2nd no shipping over the weekend, ok no problem. Come Monday it was way to hot to ship for that week it was in the 100's. I am new to the Ball Python world and had no clue that what I had won a Desert Yellowbelly Female would not produce healthy eggs and he didnt tell me anything either, even though we talked on the phone for nearly an hour!! So during our phone conversation he told me to contact him the following week to set up delivery well he wont return my calls and prior to me calling I found out the info on the Desert Females and I want my money back! He is not returning my calls my emails nothing! This is Corsi Morphs Reptiles. This is so not ok!! I don't have the snake he does because he never shipped it but he has my money!!!! If you see this ANGELO REFUND ME MY MONEY!!!!!
 
On the phone, did you discuss to Him that you bought her/ bid on her for the reason of breeding her.

That right there if you did, should of been enough for him to stand up and say, This should not be bred but kept for pet purpose. Even more so posted about the desert problems within his auction!
 
yes I told him about the different males that I had to choose from my Fire, Butter, Mojave, Enchi, Cinnamon and I said that I couldnt decide but it would be a while for her to grow up and I had time to figure it out.
 
Jodie-

I read your post in the classifieds. Did you ask Angelo if Desert Females produced viable eggs? I believe you purchased this snake on a Facebook auction, right? Were there rules posted? Did you read them?

To be honest, I would pay $310 (The price you posted in which you paid) for a Desert Yellow Belly Female and keep her as a pet. IMHO that is an outstanding price!

What has Angelo done that is wrong?

Not all people that purchase snakes, do so for the sole purpose to breed them! I have (4) dogs, do I ever plan on breeding them ....No!

This should not be a negative BOI post!
 
Get Sum said:
Jodie-

I read your post in the classifieds. Did you ask Angelo if Desert Females produced viable eggs? I believe you purchased this snake on a Facebook auction, right? Were there rules posted? Did you read them?

To be honest, I would pay $310 (The price you posted in which you paid) for a Desert Yellow Belly Female and keep her as a pet. IMHO that is an outstanding price!

What has Angelo done that is wrong?

Not all people that purchase snakes, do so for the sole purpose to breed them! I have (4) dogs, do I ever plan on breeding them ....No!

This should not be a negative BOI post!
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No not everyone breeds, but she told him on the phone thats why she participated in the bidding. Its no different than someone withholding that anything with spider gene wobbles slightly or is a train wreck. Most wont breed spiders with massive wobbling, therefore they dont buy them.

This desert was sold, without disclosure that they dont produce viable clutches, and end up dieing more so than anything. Thats enough to disclose to ALL buyers, as you can see not everyone is aware of their problems
 
Did you speak to the seller before or after you won the auction?

If you hadn't bid yet, and told him you intended to breed her, I think ethically he should have told you about the viable egg problems. If you'd already won the auction, the onus is on you to have done your due diligence before you bought an animal.

While it would have been nice of him to let you off the hook for not knowing what you were buying, he certainly has no obligation to do so. All things considered, $310 isn't a bad price for the education you just got about tossing cash at things you are uninformed about.
 
On one hand $310 for a pet Desert yellowbelly female is a good price seeing as they ran in the upper 100's to a 1000 for just a normal Desert. Now on the other hand when you divulged that you were lining up this male or that male he should have atleast mentioned something.
Now in the original Auction was there anything that mentioned the Desert female as being a "good potential breeder" or any other wording of the such. If not then honestly the auction was legite and he technically did nothing wrong other then the phone conversation which definitely puts him in the don't do business with category.
 
honestly I dont remember the words that described her in detail. she is under 400g a black back desert yellowbelly and that is pretty much all that I remember from the auction it was 13 days ago.
 
RichsBallPythons said:
On the phone, did you discuss to Him that you bought her/ bid on her for the reason of breeding her.

That right there if you did, should of been enough for him to stand up and say, This should not be bred but kept for pet purpose. Even more so posted about the desert problems within his auction!
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So everyone should post all problems with the genes they are selling? I think that could take us all on a slippery slope.
 
bondoron said:
So everyone should post all problems with the genes they are selling? I think that could take us all on a slippery slope.
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Being shady and not disclosing genetical flaws on what your selling is wrong.

So if someone selling caramels dont disclose if this line kinks or not is ok in your eyes :shrug01:
 
I don't think you will be taken for your money ... not one bit. I would instantly refund any buyer that wanted to renege because they didn't do not one bit of research before purchasing an animal. The animal is probably better off elsewhere. This reeks of buyer remorse. Please show emails of how long you have been trying to contact him.
 
RichsBallPythons said:
Being shady and not disclosing genetical flaws on what your selling is wrong.

So if someone selling caramels dont disclose if this line kinks or not is ok in your eyes :shrug01:
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Well you are selling spider gene animals right now. I don't see anywhere in your ad where it says they are now or will at sometime wobble. Like I said slippery slope.
 
This is a tough one. On one hand you have sellers business ethics and morals. On the other, you have a buyer that probably could have read up and researched the desert bp's breeding issues prior to a bid, let along winning that auction. I see both sides pretty equally, but I tend to be tougher on sellers than buyers or possibly buyers, as they dont always think to do things like proper research and such. Sellers on the other, at least in my eyes, are held in a higher position of proper ethics and morals. For example, proper ethics would have told me to say something like " this is an open auction for a 400 gram desert yellowbelly ball python female (please note that high infertility rates are well known and proven in the desert genes)". Something along those lines, just as common ethics and courtesy to buyers that may not have done enough or proper research on the genes they are about to invest in
 
August 6Jodie Todd Joel
When you have a chance if you could please let me know what day you will be sending her so that I can make sure that I will be home, that would be great. along with the tracking number that would be great Thanks so much.

8 hours agoJodie Todd Joel
could you please just refund me my money for the snake, the weather is going to stay in the high 90's and 100's and I would rather not have her shipped with a cool pack. So if you could please just refund me I would appreciate it. Thank you
 
:shrug01: I think most are missing the point. The animal was purchased during an auction! An auction is typically much different then listing the animal for sale. Most animals on auctions are harder to sell items. Those that get involved bidding on a live animal during an auction should assume 100% responsibility. Items sold at auctions typically sell for well under fair market value.

Are breeders that wholesale animals to large scale buyers responsible for disclosing all posible traits of each mutation.

Those that sell whole clutches at a discounted price- Do they offer a guarantee if the animal never gets started and dies? Do they go into detail stating "It could be harmful to over-stress an unstarted baby ball python through standard overnight shipping, but if your willing to take the chance and then get it started yourself....I'll save you a few bucks!

Let's not go down any of these roads.

If you want 100% support from the breeder, then purchase from a listed add.

If you want a bargain price, bid during an auction, but common sence should tell someone to do their homework first!

This thread is ridiculous
 
python princess said:
August 6Jodie Todd Joel
When you have a chance if you could please let me know what day you will be sending her so that I can make sure that I will be home, that would be great. along with the tracking number that would be great Thanks so much.

8 hours agoJodie Todd Joel
could you please just refund me my money for the snake, the weather is going to stay in the high 90's and 100's and I would rather not have her shipped with a cool pack. So if you could please just refund me I would appreciate it. Thank you
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So you gave him eight hours before you posted this thread and you used a cool pack as an excuse rather than the reason you listed here ... which is the real reason as I understand it.

I'm not trying to be a prick, but you have to give someone time to reply before you tie them up by the neck. The BOI is often used as a tool to bend a seller at your will and to me, this is what it appears to be.
 
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