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[lonewolfrider]

Since the most recent version of the BallBS party line states that they just have the snakes drop-shipped, and are never actually in their possession, which, coincidentally, directly contradicts their original claims of having all animals in-house, that leads to another question. Assuming that the listing's profit margin is acceptable, and the auction miraculously ends without a timely "attack" (interesting how that only seems to happen when they stand to lose money), what happens in the event that the animal arrives sick or otherwise "not as described"?

With whom do buyers, with a legitimate complaint, have recourse? Surely not PayPal, as there will be, no doubt, a valid tracking number to prove delivery. Based on the behavior that BallBS representatives have heretofore displayed, anyone with anything resembling a complaint, will likely be labeled as a "liar" or "hater" and subsequently banned. Their complaints being dismissed and deleted before others have a chance to see them.

Are potential buyers to somehow assume that, despite what has been BallBS' standard operating procedure, that BallBS will suddently acknowledge and remedy the problem? Will BallBS accept the animal back into their own possession, and issue a refund? Will they try to pass the buck back to their supplier? There are a lot of variables here, and precious little reason to trust that BallBS will do right by their customers, if/when they stand to lose money for their efforts.

Apparently you have not read the warranty in the terms and conditions...

 

[Fangthane]

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Originally Posted by aviBallBids
Also, we keep all of our snakes in a melamine rack system we built here at out facility. We've got a sub-adult rack and a hatchling rack at the moment, fully equipped with thermostats, heat tape, hide boxes, water bowls, etc. Once we are done building the rest of our racks we will have enough room to house 105 snakes, for the time being.

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Originally Posted by lonewolfrider
Sorry but you must have missed the Ballbids Live Arrival Guarantee clearly indicated in the Terms and Conditions. That guarantee has always been there. The Breeders ship directly to the winners so there is no difference than buying directly from the Breeder except Ballbids furthers that guarantee to ensure if there were ever a problem with a Breeder, Ballbids still stands behind the consumer. Buying the way you see fit is certainly fine but posting the correct information should be important.

Just thought I'd cite exactly where the discrepancy came from, regarding the actual possession of the animals, prior to the sale. In all the gibberish and general floundering by BallBS' spokesman, so much is being buried.

 

[reticguy76]

nice catch Dan

 

[WebSlave]

Ballbids.com does not try to cause problems for other businesses. Contrary to that, Ballbids moves more snakes out for the breeders. Ballbids buys from those Breeders and pays them a fair market price. Ballbids marketing ability expands the industry so more people will be shopping throughout.

Hi Mark.

Care to explain to me how Ballbids.com will benefit breeders who do NOT sell their animals THROUGH Ballbids.com? Are you claiming that those breeders will NOT be impacted by the advertising promotions for Ballbids claiming that people can get desirable and valuable animals for pennies on the dollar through Ballbids instead of dealing with the breeders directly?

Please explain this to me. I'm having trouble seeing your perspective of this business plan scenario you are painting here. In my opinion Ballbids.com will be competing against EVERY breeder who chooses to not sell their animals through Ballbids.com using extremely lowball pricing. Please show me where I am wrong about my thinking. Obviously I am missing something that is obvious to you.

 

[Fangthane]

Apparently you have not read the warranty in the terms and conditions...

And apparently you haven't actually read all the self-serving drivel that you're spewing. As with everything else you've posted, your terms and conditions are just pixels on the screen. When compared to your actions, it'd be pretty damn hard to believe that your intentions have any basis in anything other than feeding the bottom line. It's easy to say what you "would do", but so much harder to actually follow through with it. It's in the masses' perception of the likelihood that you can be trusted, and actually do the right thing, that you and your entire corporate entity fall dismally short.

 

[RichsBallPythons]

Hi Mark.

Care to explain to me how Ballbids.com will benefit breeders who do NOT sell their animals THROUGH Ballbids.com? Are you claiming that those breeders will NOT be impacted by the advertising promotions for Ballbids claiming that people can get desirable and valuable animals for pennies on the dollar through Ballbids instead of dealing with the breeders directly?

Please explain this to me. I'm having trouble seeing your perspective of this business plan scenario you are painting here. In my opinion Ballbids.com will be competing against EVERY breeder who chooses to not sell their animals through Ballbids.com using extremely lowball pricing. Please show me where I am wrong about my thinking. Obviously I am missing something that is obvious to you.

Yep, If they started breeding their own stock, and auctioning 15-20 snakes a week or even a month, It would over time Kill certain projects people work hard to earn and work with.

 

[aleria]

Mark, I do not just claim to know what I'm talking about computer-wise online, it's what I do for a living and make a d@#$ good living doing it at that. And I am one of the ones that spoke up to state that the claims made by you, and your "programmer" are flat out lies.

Everyone has asked for proof that these timer "failures and glitches" are being caused directly by an attack on your website by these mysterious foes of yours and no one, at any point, has actually provided a shred of evidence showing this to be the case.

Do you know why that is Mark? Because it's not possible. Even if you were to go in and post all of the traffic and data logs from the exact time of the auction it would show absolutely no evidence of any sort of attack causing this issue. Again, why Mark? Because it's not possible.

So I will again state for the dozenth time, NO TYPE OF ATTACK ON YOUR SERVER OR WEBSITE WOULD CAUSE THE TIMER ISSUES YOU ARE CLAIMING!

Is that clear enough for you Mark? Now put up or shut up, and don't you dare just post a rebuttal with another link to the outside source that you created and keep citing as "proof" when it is nothing of the sort.

 

[lonewolfrider]

Hi Mark.

Care to explain to me how Ballbids.com will benefit breeders who do NOT sell their animals THROUGH Ballbids.com? Are you claiming that those breeders will NOT be impacted by the advertising promotions for Ballbids claiming that people can get desirable and valuable animals for pennies on the dollar through Ballbids instead of dealing with the breeders directly?

Please explain this to me. I'm having trouble seeing your perspective of this business plan scenario you are painting here. In my opinion Ballbids.com will be competing against EVERY breeder who chooses to not sell their animals through Ballbids.com using extremely lowball pricing. Please show me where I am wrong about my thinking. Obviously I am missing something that is obvious to you.

More misinformation and innuendo...You can read this fine and you know what it says. Since Ballbids has only shipped approximately 30 or so snakes and has had no problems with live and healthy arrivals Ballbids has not yet had to deal with that. But you can read fine. You are just insinuating something bad. This is just what you do here in this thread.

 

[lonewolfrider]

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Just thought I'd cite exactly where the discrepancy came from, regarding the actual possession of the animals, prior to the sale. In all the gibberish and general floundering by BallBS' spokesman, so much is being buried.

Also, you are using very old and out dated information. You should go to the site to read the information. Picking up old archives is not wise, unless of course you are just trying to stir up confusion....now that wouldn't happen here would it?

 

[WebSlave]

More misinformation and innuendo...You can read this fine and you know what it says. Since Ballbids has only shipped approximately 30 or so snakes and has had no problems with live and healthy arrivals Ballbids has not yet had to deal with that. But you can read fine. You are just insinuating something bad. This is just what you do here in this thread.

Yes, I can read fine. Thank you for noticing. As such, I can read that you are not answering my questions. Care to engage in an adult conversation, as you have stated that your crave here, and take an honest stab at providing the answers I have asked for?

Or was that just a long-winded form of "I don't know"? Meaning that you really have not thought your claims through sufficiently.

 

[gonzoone]

Also, you are using very old and out dated information. You should go to the site to read the information. Picking up old archives is not wise, unless of course you are just trying to stir up confusion....now that wouldn't happen here would it?

We weren't finished discussing my point! Which was just verified. We want better answers than simple misdirection! Why is Marty's cause I said so better than others? The problem with the timers is something other than the attacks. If you can provide ANY proof of your claims I will drop it!

 

[reticguy76]

can you answer dan's question about the obvious discrepancy in the two posts about, keeping the snakes in racks at ballbids facility vs the comment that the snakes are shipped directly from the breeder ??

 

[lonewolfrider]

Hi Mark.

Care to explain to me how Ballbids.com will benefit breeders who do NOT sell their animals THROUGH Ballbids.com? Are you claiming that those breeders will NOT be impacted by the advertising promotions for Ballbids claiming that people can get desirable and valuable animals for pennies on the dollar through Ballbids instead of dealing with the breeders directly?

Please explain this to me. I'm having trouble seeing your perspective of this business plan scenario you are painting here. In my opinion Ballbids.com will be competing against EVERY breeder who chooses to not sell their animals through Ballbids.com using extremely lowball pricing. Please show me where I am wrong about my thinking. Obviously I am missing something that is obvious to you.

I have spoke to you before and you are one who hates Ballbids but I will try once again and give you the benefit of the doubt. It is apparent that your question goes directly to the money issue.

Ballbids extensive marketing reaches more external areas than ever has been done. Plus it reaches within the industry.
Only one person will win the auction but the advertisement and auction generates an extensive amount of interest.
The overflow of interest should in itself generate more movement and browsing and shopping and hopefully buying within the existing businesses that advertise.
The breeders sells their snake to Ballbids for a fair market value
The customers enjoy the competition in bidding
Any breeder that breeds quality can sell to ballbids on a rotating purchase basis
Hopefully, all of the expenses to run this type of operation will cover and show a profit
Now if a breeder does not want to sell to Ballbids he will still benefit by the increase of interest sparked or re sparked by the advertisements.
And just like Quibids, Sony or Panasonic is not hurt by the ridiculously low sale. In this case, the morph breeder is not hurt by any loss of value of their product at all. Unlike some of these other auctions that over a period of time, low sales will reduce the value. It has already been seen.
Ballbids is not a replacement for anything here. it is just another avenue that can help move some snakes and increase awareness of the industry. If the awareness is increased all other areas of the industry will increase. Private sales, dry goods and so on.
Personally, I think it is a great idea that will in the long run help out everyone that breeds and sells.

 

[lonewolfrider]

Yes, I can read fine. Thank you for noticing. As such, I can read that you are not answering my questions. Care to engage in an adult conversation, as you have stated that your crave here, and take an honest stab at providing the answers I have asked for?

Or was that just a long-winded form of "I don't know"? Meaning that you really have not thought your claims through sufficiently.

There you go again.. You own it so you can be as nasty as you want. I have other things to do also while responding to your requests

 

[lonewolfrider]

can you answer dan's question about the obvious discrepancy in the two posts about, keeping the snakes in racks at ballbids facility vs the comment that the snakes are shipped directly from the breeder ??

Thought I answered that...That is very old archive information. You need to go to Bllbids.com and read all the FAQ and Terms...The breeder ships directly to the winner

 

[Fangthane]

Just in case it's successfully buried in drivel, I thought I'd re-post the impetus behind the current topic of discussion. It'd be unfortunate if something potentially noteworthy were lost in the avalanche of

I was told to post this. A while ago I came up to this page (http://www.tradeboss.com/default.cgi...panyid/824847/). This page is about a person name Toni Kirschner dba Radarman. Connection is Marty Kerstetter. His email is [email protected]. There is a connection. What I have found is that Toni Kirsner lives in Davies, Fl which is in the Fort Lauderdale area where Zack dad is from. There is a connection between them two cause if Toni is a known penny auction scammer, then something really needs to be done. Of course, Marty wants to say it all made up and false but there is too much coincidence between it. 2 people from FL using Radarman and dealing with penny auctions.

Well, since I'm just "stirring up confusion", I guess I should reiterate something else that seems confusing. It certainly appears that your "Marty" is a very shady character, and an association that, in and of itself, is cause for pause. I'm confused as to why a reputable business seems to give people so many reasons to say "Hmmm". Where there's smoke, there's usually fire. BallBS has a veritable mushroom cloud rising over it. So much damning coincidence is centered around BallBS, it must be a conspiracy of global magnitude.

 

[lonewolfrider]

We weren't finished discussing my point! Which was just verified. We want better answers than simple misdirection! Why is Marty's cause I said so better than others? The problem with the timers is something other than the attacks. If you can provide ANY proof of your claims I will drop it!

Mike for crying out loud man get a life. There is no problem with the timers per say. When the site is attacked to a point that it is affected by the attack it freezes and of course you see that on the timers first because that is what you are looking at. The timers are fine. The internet lag you use to know nothing about is not a timer issue. Ballbids cannot control internet lag. I hope by now you have read and understand about internet latency.

 

[aleria]

Mike for crying out loud man get a life. There is no problem with the timers per say. When the site is attacked to a point that it is affected by the attack it freezes and of course you see that on the timers first because that is what you are looking at. The timers are fine. The internet lag you use to know nothing about is not a timer issue. Ballbids cannot control internet lag. I hope by now you have read and understand about internet latency.

And you can just continue to ignore my responses to you on this that I will re-quote below, showing that no, you are in fact WRONG. That is not the way it works and if you honestly believed it was then you would post actual, legitimate proof of that fact.

Mark, I do not just claim to know what I'm talking about computer-wise online, it's what I do for a living and make a d@#$ good living doing it at that. And I am one of the ones that spoke up to state that the claims made by you, and your "programmer" are flat out lies.

Everyone has asked for proof that these timer "failures and glitches" are being caused directly by an attack on your website by these mysterious foes of yours and no one, at any point, has actually provided a shred of evidence showing this to be the case.

Do you know why that is Mark? Because it's not possible. Even if you were to go in and post all of the traffic and data logs from the exact time of the auction it would show absolutely no evidence of any sort of attack causing this issue. Again, why Mark? Because it's not possible.

So I will again state for the dozenth time, NO TYPE OF ATTACK ON YOUR SERVER OR WEBSITE WOULD CAUSE THE TIMER ISSUES YOU ARE CLAIMING!

Is that clear enough for you Mark? Now put up or shut up, and don't you dare just post a rebuttal with another link to the outside source that you created and keep citing as "proof" when it is nothing of the sort.

 

[lonewolfrider]

Well, since I'm just "stirring up confusion", I guess I should reiterate something else that seems confusing. It certainly appears that your "Marty" is a very shady character, and an association that, in and of itself, is cause for pause. I'm confused as to why a reputable business seems to give people so many reasons to say "Hmmm". Where there's smoke, there's usually fire. BallBS has a veritable mushroom cloud rising over it. So much damning coincidence is centered around BallBS, it must be a conspiracy of global magnitude.

Are you really serious? That is what say no tried to do months ago and got busted in another forum. Then again they put it back out in this forum a short time ago. They know that is not him. That is two different people completely. I can easily look up names and try to correlate them to you too Im sure. I think we have seen an example of that recently specifically to your post. Is this the adult discussion I am here for or just more smoke and BS that means nothing

 

[Snake-Queen]

And you can just continue to ignore my responses to you on this that I will re-quote below, showing that no, you are in fact WRONG. That is not the way it works and if you honestly believed it was then you would post actual, legitimate proof of that fact.

He will continue to ignore you because he either doesn't know or does know and is covering for them.