Bad Guy JERRY TRESSER--BAD GUY- the worst kind

[BenSiegelReptiles]

Dont want to get into details. I will say Jerry tresser came into our store and purchased a monkey tail skink. If I am not mistaken it was $1200 animal that we gave to jerry for $1000--here is the catch---he put $100 down on it, and I let him take it like an idiot. It was one of 3 perfect cbb monkey tails. This particular one was in perfect condition. None of the other 2 I sold had any issues and we highly doubt at this point that there was any with the one he lost either. I came to Jerry to resolve to resolve this issue as at this point he had not as much shown us a picture of the deceased cb corucia. He immediately became defensive and tried to bully me as he did to that other girl on the post before. I am going to post every single email un altered regarding this incident--the only other contact I have had with him was in person at a repticon show where we had a brief conversation where he said he was not going to pay and then I pulled him aside to ask him if it was a financial issue. He said it was not--

 

[BenSiegelReptiles]

here are all the emails--I know this might not be the ideal time to post this with all the heat we are taking, but the girls post below and jerrys response about the incident were quite upsetting. Please read from oldest to newest---


Begin forwarded message:

From: Ben <[email protected]>
Date: October 9, 2012, 7:13:03 PM EDT
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Subject: Fwd: JERRY TRESSER AND OUR MISSING MONKEY TAIL SKINK



Sent from my iPhone 11 year 2021


Begin forwarded message:

From: Ben <[email protected]>
Date: October 9, 2012, 7:00:05 PM EDT
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: JERRY TRESSER AND OUR MISSING MONKEY TAIL SKINK

So you have no proof that the animal you supposedly had died died? And being the boi jockey you are you think it would be ok to dispose of the body with absolutely no verification especially since you didnt pay for your animal? come now jerry. You have been in and around the reptile business for many years. You know that is no how it works. That is like me to walmart and saying. Oh. I want my money back on the $1000 tv i broker but i threw it out. That is ridiculous and you know it. I don't care if i lose money suing you. Its nothing about money at all. My guess is you are broke hence your not paying me, but are too proud or whatever to admit. I came to you from a nice place at repticon, pulled you aside and asked if it was a financial issue From a friend and You assured me no, so I will take your word for it and go forward to recoup my losses and my attorney fees via a lawsuit. And his meter has already started and he is a good lawyer. Feel free to contact him or give his info to your attorney. I have copied him on all correspondence. Sorry for any mispellings I am on my iPhone writing this.

Sincerely,
Ben Siegel

Ps you should pay mike b too. He is a good kid and you crooked him.

Sent from my iPhone 11 year 2021


On Oct 9, 2012, at 6:45 PM, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:


Ben, I generally do not respond to these email's, but in this case with all the poor and ridiculous advertising you have been receiving, I think you would be better off in using your monies more wisely for a potential lawsuit from the decedents family. I hope you have coverage or some limited liability because these lawsuits are rather expensive especially since it involves death. You know people like to sue which brings me to your allegations..

I thought I was rather specific with my replies to you. Either I get a satisfactory replacement of the skink or a substantial reduction to resolve this matter. As indicated your employee Billy was notified within the time frame that the animal in question was not eating, became totally lethargic and did not move the first week.. By the second week he had already succumbed. Billy was notified a second time. Of course your only concern was that this was well beyond the Ben Siegel guarantee. Billy is a very nice person, but has no memory capability to remember anything. Nor make any records of my calling and conversations. I asked to receive a call from you to discuss the matter, and when I did hear from you , you indicated my phone was disconnected which is not the case as my 800 # has always been active...

I attempted to provide some explanation and even offered to resolve the problem with a reduced settlement, not to admit to anything but I do understand a loss. Which I also incurred.... Now your asking for the body of the skink.. I had it, but not any more ! If you feel that its worth paying an attorney to litigate the matter, I will make sure the price you pay will exceed what could have been worked out had been honorable about resolving this issue instead of hiding behind your limited guarantee...

It does not matter if the animal died on the 7th day or the 12 day. There was something very wrong.. I tried to keep the poor skink alive. Otherwise you would have gotten it back sooner. I doubt you would have even honored your own terms bringing it back half dead..... There was no trickery here, it was a sick animal and it died. I would have preferred it alive especially since the price was expensive as you know.... You also know from prior experience that I ALWAYS paid my bill. Never defaulted once on your gesture of good faith to me.. This would have been no exception. But to tell me that the guarantee period expired on a $ `1,000 skink by a week is not acceptable.. Do whatever you want and have any future correspondence come from your attorney.

Finally, Its not appreciated about these fabrication MODUS OPERANDI. I have had one problem with a bad shipment. Far different from my situation with you. I don't make it a policy of using other peoples stories to justify some child's nonsense that you feel is necessary to bring to my attention.. That's not going to work any more than seeing something negative about you on the BOI or myself for that matter.... You have a hell of a nerve bringing anything up that does NOT relate to the issue on hand.. If you do find more than a few people over my 50 years in this business, it happens from time to time. That includes you as well.... That's the business we chose, like it or not, it has its risks and liabilities which in many cases can be settled, but in your case , you find it easier to bring up things that have nothing to do with skinks. !


JERRY TRESSER
www.jtresser.com/flypaper.html
www.jtresser.com/flies.html
1 800 545 2303
-------Original Message-------

From: Ben Siegel
Date: 10/09/12 17:32:01
To: [email protected]
Subject: JERRY TRESSER AND OUR MISSING MONKEY TAIL SKINK

Jerry--
Just letting you know we are filing a lawsuit against you-my attorneys name is Christopher Getzinger-his email is [email protected] --you should know as well, that at this point, you have not even shown us the dead skink--and it has been closing in on two months already? Is that correct? I have also been informed that this seems to be your modus operandi and have done this to several other dealers. Funny--they are also interested in filing a suit!---boi good guy huh!-curtain is up!
Ben Siegel

From: Ben Siegel <[email protected]>
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, September 7, 2012 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: BEN SIEGEL

We have known ea other WAY to long for you to act like this Jerry Tresser---did you have a necropsy of the animal performed? And by the way I tried to call you on your 800 number several times. And MY Direct number is 954-579-0018. I can be reached at any time. WE HAVE NEVER DONE YOU WRONG ONE TIME JERRY--if you are having financial problems I understand, but DO NOT try to tell us that this is our fault. We did nothing but let you take a $1000 animal home with $100 down. THAT IS THE ONLY THING WE HAVE DONE TO JERRY TRESSER.
Ben

From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
To: Ben Siegel <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, September 7, 2012 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: BEN SIEGEL

I would appreciate knowing what you mean by "lost well beyond our guarantee period" I personally notified your people 2 weeks after its death.. Never ate, never drank, and it just died. I think its better for me to refer the matter to my attorney who I am sure would want to see the invoice with the deposit noted when the purchase was made as well as your guarantee and what is considered "well beyond" . I am not happy about this at all.. I have no intentions of paying $ 900.00 for nothing. I most certainly spoke to Billy, called you on more than one occasion with no return call, and my 800 # has never been disconnected, nor has there been any message left. I can check this out very easily . Just let me know what month you called and what message you left. ATT is my message provider and all messages are saved....

Possibly out of some consideration I would be willing to offer some animals to resolve this issue. As I don't make a habit out of not paying my bills , unless I am not at fault here, and in this case Solomon island skinks don't die unless there is something very wrong.... JERRY get back to me at your earliest convenience;. I may speak to you further tomorrow at Repticon....





JERRY TRESSER
www.jtresser.com/flypaper.html
www.jtresser.com/flies.html
1 800 545 2303
-------Original Message-------

From: Ben Siegel
Date: 9/7/2012 11:58:09 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: BEN SIEGEL

Jerry
Please call me. Your phone number we had for you was disconnected and I left a message on your 800 number. We would like to be paid for our monkey tail skink that we allowed you to take with a $100 deposit on good faith. The animal was lost well out of our guarantee period and you never contacted us regarding this issue.
Ben Siegel

 

[BenSiegelReptiles]

should have read anymore details---this is the last I will post on the subject as we have hired an attorney for the matter. Be careful dealing with this person. If anyone else has had similar bad deals PLEASE let me know either here or via private email. Must be able to provide proof.

 

[BenSiegelReptiles]

also love how he says my manager billy has no memory but contradicts his own timeline between two emails--OK_-i wont post anymore--I am sure you guys can read--its all in the text

 

[Lucille]

So let me get this straight.

Jerry gets a critter from you for only 100 down. The other two similar critters you have, you are saying are perfectly healthy.
Jerry then says this animal became ill.
Despite the fact that he still owes around $1,000 on it, and more important, despite the fact that it was allegedly ill, Jerry does not take it to the vet, does not take pictures of the allegedly ill critter. He sits around not taking it to the vet while he claims it is getting sicker and sicker. Then he claims it has died. He does not save the body, he does not take pictures of the body, he simply wants to not pay you what he owes to you.

Ben, in my opinion Jerry is taking you for a ride, or trying to. He knows the drill. He knows better than to get rid of the body of a $1,000 animal when he has not yet paid for it.
It is my opinion that this critter is probably still alive.

 

[KNOBTAIL]

FINALLY

I was wondering how long it was going to take before it reached the BOI. Not worth responding. At this time !

Rather amazing Ben how stupid, you could be to jepordize your own business to allow people into your facility to have a bug eating contest. You would have though with all the positive threads you received here and the load of friends you have here jumping to your side of any complaint on your side that you would need this , which in the end will probably, actually give you a wrongful death action considering that even if the medical examiners report indicate that it was no fault of the roach. It came from your insect bins which I have seen and are not what you would call sanitary..

We are dealing with insects. the ramifications could very easily cause problems for others who breed these insects or easily provide more stringent regulations for breeding these roaches or other crawling creatures used as a food item....

You have done a wonderful job, in creating a major problem for yourself not to mention the cost factor. You will be sued. Either by the family, or wife or parents. I hope you and your wife have liability insurance because with a good attorney they will always go for the juguiar in these wrongful death cases. You sir are not to bright in having yourself video taped for television telling the public that " they signed a waiver" I am wondering if that included the underage boy who was also involved in your eating program..

Not to mention the insurance company who I am sure will not be happy since this was an after hours stupidiy .

With regard to the lawsuit. There are two sides to the story. You have this habit of over embellishing everything I mentioned when I approached you and was at that time looking to resolve the matter amicably. That did not work out so now you are looking to escalate the matter here....


My advise, hold on to whatever capital you may have as more ominous problems are heading your way, and you and your spouse may have to file for bankruptcy before this reaches its conclusion... Another Ben Siegel special. JERRY

 

[Lucille]

I was wondering how long it was going to take before it reached the BOI. Not worth responding. At this time !

Rather amazing Ben how stupid, you could be to jepordize your own business to allow people into your facility to have a bug eating contest. You would have though with all the positive threads you received here and the load of friends you have here jumping to your side of any complaint on your side that you would need this , which in the end will probably, actually give you a wrongful death action considering that even if the medical examiners report indicate that it was no fault of the roach. It came from your insect bins which I have seen and are not what you would call sanitary..

We are dealing with insects. the ramifications could very easily cause problems for others who breed these insects or easily provide more stringent regulations for breeding these roaches or other crawling creatures used as a food item....

You have done a wonderful job, in creating a major problem for yourself not to mention the cost factor. You will be sued. Either by the family, or wife or parents. I hope you and your wife have liability insurance because with a good attorney they will always go for the juguiar in these wrongful death cases. You sir are not to bright in having yourself video taped for television telling the public that " they signed a waiver" I am wondering if that included the underage boy who was also involved in your eating program..

Not to mention the insurance company who I am sure will not be happy since this was an after hours stupidiy .

With regard to the lawsuit. There are two sides to the story. You have this habit of over embellishing everything I mentioned when I approached you and was at that time looking to resolve the matter amicably. That did not work out so now you are looking to escalate the matter here....


My advise, hold on to whatever capital you may have as more ominous problems are heading your way, and you and your spouse may have to file for bankruptcy before this reaches its conclusion... Another Ben Siegel special. JERRY

Jerry, you seem to be trying your best to cloud the issue of your debt to Ben with other, unconnected, irrelevant-to-this-transaction issues. Perhaps you thought that in his time of difficulties you would just slide in and get yourself a almost-free lizard by a false claim of death.

It isn't going to work.

 

[Pinky gecko girl]

By law "nobtail" Jerry will have to pay the $900 he owes or you go to jail! That's how it works. And to me he shoulda like a lot of talk and avoiding the main subject. And I'm pretty sure if Ben got people to sign wavers for the bug eating contest he would have kept a few just so he was covered. But people like jerry will deny everything even when he knows his plan isn't working. I'm so sorry Ben that the work has crooks and scammers.

 

[Pinky gecko girl]

Dang iPhone with spell check. Lol did the best I could.

 

[Lucille]

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=237404

 

[KNOBTAIL]

Lucille

Amazing insight into nothing you know about. Non factual opinions . Great story but really one sided. Natuarlly in Bens favor. I generally never get involved in a dialogue on impending litigation, but to satisfy some of your remarks.

I did notify Bens employee in the guarantee time frame. On more than one ocassion. When I did speak to Ben face to face, he indicated other wise. I was anticipating this so I offered to work out a suggestion that would have satisfied both of us. We had done business for almost 20 years. We never had a problem. Ben was always paid. I dont think he would deny that.

I had ample opportunity to have done these non payment deeds many times in the past for more expensive items i purchased form Ben, but always paid and never, ever had a problem. Otherwise I wuold not have been able to walk out of his store with a $ 1, 000 animal. Deposit or not.

Ben was not interested in any settlement when I spoke to him. He wanted the total $ 900 purely on the fact that my guarantee period had expired. At that time he was unaware of my initial conversaton with his employee. Whatever conversation I had with Ben were face to face and I thought it was not unfriendly .

I guess it will come down to he said , she said. But one thing for sure the animal was not healthy and died by the second week. Here we are well over a month and he complains that he never saw the skink. It really has no value at this time to hold on to a dead lizard after he specifically indicated that there would be no settlement. That was an unresolved fact at our only meeting at Repticon.

why you should get on this band wagon with no information and make such an unwarrented opinion that i still have the lizard for some reason does not surprise me about you... I would prefer litigation as I have very well documented phone dates from our bills to Ben Siegel Reptiles. That cannot be explained away !....

 

[Lucille]

. I would prefer litigation

HAHAHAHA.

Ahem.

I included the link above to another bad guy thread about you, Jerry, where you threatened legal action against a lady who started a thread here after you promised her replacement flies and reneged on your word.

I think you don't have the skink to show because in my opinion, it is still alive.
In this age of cell phone cameras everywhere, the fact that you did not take a picture points to nothing to take a picture of.

From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
To: Ben Siegel <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, September 7, 2012 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: BEN SIEGEL
Solomon island skinks don't die unless there is something very wrong....

If there was something very wrong, is was a despicable act not to take the allegedly ill critter to the vet. But I don't think there was anything wrong, I think the critter is alive and well.

 

[Lucille]

Here is a quote from the lady in the thread I referenced:

Tresser is welcome, no ENCOURAGED, to visit a lawyer. Jerry, please, please, please go waste your money trying to sue me. PLEASE.

He needs to be taught about libel and slander because he has no clue what they are. He cannot sue me for anything I have said. His attempt at intimidation will not work. If anyone here is ever threatened by someone like him, don't fall for it. It is total BS. You cannot be sued for stating the truth or your opinion. You can only be sued if you purposely lie. For instance, I cannot be sued for stating that in my opinion someone is a jerk, unethical, a liar, etc...I can be sued for stating that I saw them eat kittens and rape babies. (unless they actually did those things and I can prove it.)

While he's at the lawyers office, he should give him/her copies of every one of our email correspondences and then ask him/her what breach of contract is. I"m sure the lawyer will explain to Jerry that contracts can be as simple as a note jotted down on a scrap of paper...or an email stating someone is going to send out replacement flies.

I'd love to be a fly on the wall when the lawyer explains to him what's really going on here and who is actually in a position to sue who.

 

[Fangthane]

Ben, in my opinion Jerry is taking you for a ride, or trying to. He knows the drill. He knows better than to get rid of the body of a $1,000 animal when he has not yet paid for it.
It is my opinion that this critter is probably still alive.

Extremely likely. It's hard for someone to try to justify making noob mistakes after he'd previously gone out of his way to laud his 19+ years in the business.

Not worth responding. At this time !

Avoidance really worked wonders for your reputation, in your last Bad Guy thread. I'm sure it'll yield different results this time around.
If you remain true to form, you'll no doubt change your mind and cite our posts as a belated justification for you apparently trying to swindle a nearly-free lizard out of the OP.

..If you feel that its worth paying an attorney to litigate the matter, I will make sure the price you pay will exceed what could have been worked out had been honorable about resolving this issue...JERRY TRESSER

Nice. Petty and vindictive, much?

..instead of hiding behind your limited guarantee...
JERRY TRESSER

Says the guy with basically no guarantee. Oh, sweet, sweet irony.

What we dont do is "Live Delivery Guaranteed".
Our inventory is substantial and we prefer to maintain an atmosphere of a healthy business relationship with everyone we sell to..on trust. Its that simple.

Speaking of hiding behind a "limited guarantee"; Pot, meet kettle. Between this thread and your other one, I can't say that you've given anyone any reason to trust you or take your word at face value. You've now shown a total lack of honor in both buying and selling.

 

[KNOBTAIL]

Lucille

I dont mind having an intellegent conversation, but if you want to play some kind of a round robin from different posts, maybe the moderator should step in. I thought I was every explicit in my explanation about the skink. Just to add which I will now bring to light. My conversations when I first notified Billy were recorded. Both of them....

If Ben had no trust in me, guaranteed I would not have been able to part with ANYTHING from his store.. with out paying.

Apparently we had to have had a good relationship in order for trust to be the guiding factor... I can tell you I would have had no problem in even taking the skink WITHOUT a deposit. Which was good faith money on my part..

Now not only do believe the skink is still alive, i should have taken pictures, gone to the vet, and I dont know what else you can creatively come up with..

The most important thing that seems to justify Bens position is his 7 day guarantee policy. My initial phone call went unheaded until I made the 2nd one. By then of course the guaarantee time had gone by and now Ben refused to work out anything unless it was payment in full.....

why is this so difficult for you to understand without clouding the issue with after the fact situations.

I must tell you Ben and I had a healthy , honest relationship. There would be no reason for me to try and circumvent payment unless something really bad occurred and how the heck do you loose a $ 1, 000 Solomons skink in 2 weeks. Unreard of... Incidentlally, I never , ever suggested non payment. I would have tried to work out a settlement and I would have wanted some kind of replacement value to resolve the problem...

You dont know what you are talking about, and enough with your nonsense. It does nothng but flame this situation;...

 

[Fangthane]

My conversations when I first notified Billy were recorded. Both of them...

Good luck getting illegally obtained recordings admitted in a court of law..

http://www.citmedialaw.org/legal-guide/florida-recording-law

Florida's wiretapping law is a "two-party consent" law. Florida makes it a crime to intercept or record a "wire, oral, or electronic communication" in Florida, unless all parties to the communication consent. See Fla. Stat. ch. 934.03

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[Lucille]

if you want to play some kind of a round robin from different posts, maybe the moderator should step in.

Nice try at running for help since you apparently are unable to maintain your claims here and have zero evidence.
The previous thread is relevant to show how you made a promise and broke it, and are so, untrustworthy, and so, may well be lying here. You even threatened the lady with legal consequences for posting about the (broken) business promise you made. Fortunately she refused to be bullied by you.

something really bad occurred and how the heck do you loose a $ 1, 000 Solomons skink in 2 weeks.

If you are saying the critter was that ill, it should have been taken to a vet.
You claim experience, yet you took no pictures. I think you are lying about the death and you are trying to take Ben for a ride.

 

[Fangthane]

Unless, of course, that you happen to have recorded him consenting to being recorded.

 

[Pinky gecko girl]

If a animal dieds take it straight back to the store!!! Plan and simple! If not pictures of the animal where took no vet was seen then you don't have a case!!! Jerry I'm sure I you would have brought the body of the skink to Ben he would have replaced it!! But I'm sure it's still alive.

 

[BillyLeonard]

Hi Jerry. Billy here. For those that do not know, I am Ben's store manager and I initially dealt with Jerry on this.

Jerry, my question to you is, why did you wait one week after the animal died to call and let me know? Also, if the animal was doing that badly from the beginning (you claim it died after two weeks), why didn't call to let me know right away, or better yet, bring it back to the store? Jerry, you were a regular at the store until this happened and I saw you practically every week, so what prevented you from coming in when you determined the animal was sick? What prevented you from coming in with the body after the animal died? I am baffled by this behavior. And now you choose to sidestep the issue at hand and throw threats at Ben and his business, my livelihood? Unbelievable, really.

Oh and to reiterate what Ben already said, that group of three animals was flawless with no issues whatsoever.

So Jerry, what really happened to the animal? You're not being truthful here and you know it. Fess up and let's get this cleared up, eh?