Bad Guy JERRY TRESSER--BAD GUY- the worst kind

[BenSiegelReptiles]

and since Mr tresser seems to keep referencing our correspondence here it is---start from the bottom---other then the in person talk at repticon which was witnessed by a group of people(even when I pulled jerry aside as a friend) luckily a friend heard no other correspondence has happened. LET ME BE ABUNDANTLY CLEAR---no settlement will be accepted From Jerry Tresser unless it is through my attorney. Jerry had ample opportunity to take care of his debt in an ample time. He chose not to. I will let my attorney and my managers attorney and Snakes at sunsets attorney handled it. Here are the completely unaltered emails--_REMEMBER_-bottom to top-- and it was only Jerry that had the audacity to bring up a tragice incident in my life, my managers life and eddies and his families life to use against me while trying to collect a debt. I have never seen a man like this before. Never in my life.

here are all the emails--I know this might not be the ideal time to post this with all the heat we are taking, but the girls post below and jerrys response about the incident were quite upsetting. Please read from oldest to newest---


Begin forwarded message:

From: Ben <[email protected]>
Date: October 9, 2012, 7:13:03 PM EDT
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Subject: Fwd: JERRY TRESSER AND OUR MISSING MONKEY TAIL SKINK



Sent from my iPhone 11 year 2021


Begin forwarded message:

From: Ben <[email protected]>
Date: October 9, 2012, 7:00:05 PM EDT
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: JERRY TRESSER AND OUR MISSING MONKEY TAIL SKINK

So you have no proof that the animal you supposedly had died died? And being the boi jockey you are you think it would be ok to dispose of the body with absolutely no verification especially since you didnt pay for your animal? come now jerry. You have been in and around the reptile business for many years. You know that is no how it works. That is like me to walmart and saying. Oh. I want my money back on the $1000 tv i broker but i threw it out. That is ridiculous and you know it. I don't care if i lose money suing you. Its nothing about money at all. My guess is you are broke hence your not paying me, but are too proud or whatever to admit. I came to you from a nice place at repticon, pulled you aside and asked if it was a financial issue From a friend and You assured me no, so I will take your word for it and go forward to recoup my losses and my attorney fees via a lawsuit. And his meter has already started and he is a good lawyer. Feel free to contact him or give his info to your attorney. I have copied him on all correspondence. Sorry for any mispellings I am on my iPhone writing this.

Sincerely,
Ben Siegel

Ps you should pay mike b too. He is a good kid and you crooked him.

Sent from my iPhone 11 year 2021


On Oct 9, 2012, at 6:45 PM, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:


Ben, I generally do not respond to these email's, but in this case with all the poor and ridiculous advertising you have been receiving, I think you would be better off in using your monies more wisely for a potential lawsuit from the decedents family. I hope you have coverage or some limited liability because these lawsuits are rather expensive especially since it involves death. You know people like to sue which brings me to your allegations..

I thought I was rather specific with my replies to you. Either I get a satisfactory replacement of the skink or a substantial reduction to resolve this matter. As indicated your employee Billy was notified within the time frame that the animal in question was not eating, became totally lethargic and did not move the first week.. By the second week he had already succumbed. Billy was notified a second time. Of course your only concern was that this was well beyond the Ben Siegel guarantee. Billy is a very nice person, but has no memory capability to remember anything. Nor make any records of my calling and conversations. I asked to receive a call from you to discuss the matter, and when I did hear from you , you indicated my phone was disconnected which is not the case as my 800 # has always been active...

I attempted to provide some explanation and even offered to resolve the problem with a reduced settlement, not to admit to anything but I do understand a loss. Which I also incurred.... Now your asking for the body of the skink.. I had it, but not any more ! If you feel that its worth paying an attorney to litigate the matter, I will make sure the price you pay will exceed what could have been worked out had been honorable about resolving this issue instead of hiding behind your limited guarantee...

It does not matter if the animal died on the 7th day or the 12 day. There was something very wrong.. I tried to keep the poor skink alive. Otherwise you would have gotten it back sooner. I doubt you would have even honored your own terms bringing it back half dead..... There was no trickery here, it was a sick animal and it died. I would have preferred it alive especially since the price was expensive as you know.... You also know from prior experience that I ALWAYS paid my bill. Never defaulted once on your gesture of good faith to me.. This would have been no exception. But to tell me that the guarantee period expired on a $ `1,000 skink by a week is not acceptable.. Do whatever you want and have any future correspondence come from your attorney.

Finally, Its not appreciated about these fabrication MODUS OPERANDI. I have had one problem with a bad shipment. Far different from my situation with you. I don't make it a policy of using other peoples stories to justify some child's nonsense that you feel is necessary to bring to my attention.. That's not going to work any more than seeing something negative about you on the BOI or myself for that matter.... You have a hell of a nerve bringing anything up that does NOT relate to the issue on hand.. If you do find more than a few people over my 50 years in this business, it happens from time to time. That includes you as well.... That's the business we chose, like it or not, it has its risks and liabilities which in many cases can be settled, but in your case , you find it easier to bring up things that have nothing to do with skinks. !


JERRY TRESSER
www.jtresser.com/flypaper.html
www.jtresser.com/flies.html
1 800 545 2303
-------Original Message-------

From: Ben Siegel
Date: 10/09/12 17:32:01
To: [email protected]
Subject: JERRY TRESSER AND OUR MISSING MONKEY TAIL SKINK

Jerry--
Just letting you know we are filing a lawsuit against you-my attorneys name is Christopher Getzinger-his email is [email protected] --you should know as well, that at this point, you have not even shown us the dead skink--and it has been closing in on two months already? Is that correct? I have also been informed that this seems to be your modus operandi and have done this to several other dealers. Funny--they are also interested in filing a suit!---boi good guy huh!-curtain is up!
Ben Siegel

From: Ben Siegel <[email protected]>
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, September 7, 2012 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: BEN SIEGEL

We have known ea other WAY to long for you to act like this Jerry Tresser---did you have a necropsy of the animal performed? And by the way I tried to call you on your 800 number several times. And MY Direct number is 954-579-0018. I can be reached at any time. WE HAVE NEVER DONE YOU WRONG ONE TIME JERRY--if you are having financial problems I understand, but DO NOT try to tell us that this is our fault. We did nothing but let you take a $1000 animal home with $100 down. THAT IS THE ONLY THING WE HAVE DONE TO JERRY TRESSER.
Ben

From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
To: Ben Siegel <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, September 7, 2012 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: BEN SIEGEL

I would appreciate knowing what you mean by "lost well beyond our guarantee period" I personally notified your people 2 weeks after its death.. Never ate, never drank, and it just died. I think its better for me to refer the matter to my attorney who I am sure would want to see the invoice with the deposit noted when the purchase was made as well as your guarantee and what is considered "well beyond" . I am not happy about this at all.. I have no intentions of paying $ 900.00 for nothing. I most certainly spoke to Billy, called you on more than one occasion with no return call, and my 800 # has never been disconnected, nor has there been any message left. I can check this out very easily . Just let me know what month you called and what message you left. ATT is my message provider and all messages are saved....

Possibly out of some consideration I would be willing to offer some animals to resolve this issue. As I don't make a habit out of not paying my bills , unless I am not at fault here, and in this case Solomon island skinks don't die unless there is something very wrong.... JERRY get back to me at your earliest convenience;. I may speak to you further tomorrow at Repticon....





JERRY TRESSER
www.jtresser.com/flypaper.html
www.jtresser.com/flies.html
1 800 545 2303
-------Original Message-------

From: Ben Siegel
Date: 9/7/2012 11:58:09 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: BEN SIEGEL

Jerry
Please call me. Your phone number we had for you was disconnected and I left a message on your 800 number. We would like to be paid for our monkey tail skink that we allowed you to take with a $100 deposit on good faith. The animal was lost well out of our guarantee period and you never contacted us regarding this issue.
Ben Siegel

 

[MiIguanaLvr]

This is the behavior of someone who knows they do not have a leg to stand on. If he thought he was in the right even just a little bit, he would not have to resort to bringing up the incident at your store. There are no other arguments so he throws this in your face.
If I were you I would print off everything he has stated in this thread and hand it over to your attorney. I would look into suing him for the $900 plus and slander/liable that they think you can go for.
I would not bother replying to this childish, moronic behavior on here. All it is doing is upsetting you and its not getting you your money any faster. Forget the war of words and just get on with taking this to the judicial system.
Good luck Ben. I hope Lucille is right and you can get three times the amount owed.

 

[kdreptiles]

Not that anything hasn't been stated here, but to reiterate, a counter offer was made. Jerry wanted to trade animals as well as some cash. In no way was Ben obligated to accept this. Just because Jerry offered a possible resolution does not mean it was one both parties were happy with, if it were, Ben would have taken the animals and this never would have happened. Ben decided it was to be paid in cash at cost or stick to the previous AGREEMENT, which is more than an acceptable offer. It is every right of Ben's to then take it to the court. Jerry acts as though none of this would have happened if Ben had just accepted the offer, which is completely unreasonable to say. I believe these accusations and fabrications Jerry has placed into this very public and popular forum may have harmed Ben's business negatively, and, in my opinion, seems to have been incredibly emotionally damaging, given Ben's responses.

For the record - I have had previous assumptions of Ben Siegel and who he is based on his many positive customer reviews, but have never had any personal encounters, with him, nor Jerry, nor their respective businesses.

 

[srsb]

There is no reason for Ben to "settle" because there is no reason to think that the skink is really dead. Either Jerry still has it, or he sold it.

Jerry, you are a thief. Pay Ben the $900 you owe him.

 

[Lucille]

There is no reason for Ben to "settle" because there is no reason to think that the skink is really dead. Either Jerry still has it, or he sold it.

Jerry, you are a thief. Pay Ben the $900 you owe him.

A 'settlement' is merely an agreement, often reached so both parties do not have to spend time and funds on litigation.
It does not mean that the person who settles must take less than the amount in question.
Here, Ben may very well want to settle for more than the $900 since he has spent money on legal advice, and his time, on this issue.

 

[srsb]

I am referring to Jerry's offers to pay Ben's original cost for the animal, or accept animals in trade. The original sale was $1000 cash, and that is what Jerry owes. He can't change the terms after the fact simply because he decides to.

 

[Lucille]

Good luck Ben. I hope Lucille is right and you can get three times the amount owed.

While I do believe Ben can get significantly more than $900 if he has a mind to pursue this through litigation, I do not recall making this specific claim.
While I am free to voice my opinion just as anyone else here can do, and it is obvious that I wish him the best, I cannot give Ben specific advice because he is not my client.

 

[hhmoore]

I hope Lucille is right and you can get three times the amount owed

While I do believe Ben can get significantly more than $900 if he has a mind to pursue this through litigation, I do not recall making this specific claim.

Ben was the person that made the 3x the amount comment.

 

[bmr1052]

I think it a joke that Jerry makes it sound as if he is doing Ben some great favor by offering a settlement, like he is being gracious and he is the one who is being taken advantage of. Smh....

 

[LizardKing777]

$900 plus all the additional lawyer fees, which after frequent consultations, should be a nice hefty bonus. That's what I would ask for!

 

[Lucille]

$900 plus all the additional lawyer fees, which after frequent consultations, should be a nice hefty bonus. That's what I would ask for!

There are several separate issues. The lizard debt is one. Far more complex is the financial and emotional damage Jerry may have done, in my opinion, by his intentional parading around of his less-than-knowledgeable comments about Ben when he discussed the roach incident.

 

[Teatime]

Indeed. Lawyer fees and related costs are not really a "bonus" since the person bringing the lawsuit needs to cover those out of pocket. Suits are really for the plaintiff to be "made whole" instead of making a profit. But I do think Ben has said he's trying to get more for emotional damages, which he very well should. Jerry's behavior in all this has been abominable and defamatory.

 

[MiIguanaLvr]

Ben was the person that made the 3x the amount comment.

Sorry Lucille. I thought it was you who said it

 

[Bells]

I don't think either party has hired a lawyer, because the first thing the lawyer would have said is to cease all communications on the matter and let the lawyer do all the talking.

It is obvious that Jerry is in the wrong and by his own admission the said animal "died" and he failed to contact Ben within the 7 day guarantee time frame.

 

[K412]

True, both would have been served with cease and desist orders.
Speaking from my law enforcement background I would advise against discussing an ongoing investigation with anyone let alone a public forum.
Jerry knows he owes the money. He knows he took advantage of a tragic situation.
Never wish ill on anyone, life knows when to kick someone.

 

[The Outsider]

Dude.... I say bite the bullet n don't give 1000 dollars away u learned your lesson

 

[Fangthane]

Yes, Ben clearly should have known better than to trust a long-time friend, with whom he's had numerous successful transactions. Definitely his fault for trusting such a person, and a lesson that should cost him $900.

Dude...In case you couldn't tell; yes, I was being extremely sarcastic. Biting the bullet does nothing more than reinforcing the idea that scammers can do whatever they want, and not suffer any consequences. Aside from the scammers, no one benefits from that mentality.

 

[BenSiegelReptiles]

I forwarded my attorneys information to Jerry in our original correspondence via email. Please see first post. He is trustworthy and hard working. I feel the need to defend myself when being attacked. This thread has caused me many many hours of losing sleep. I am reading and checking back to it constantly. I mean it is about my business and a huge tragedy and has been seen almost 20,000 times by this time. I have woken from a dead sleep in a sweat only to run to the computer and check this to make sure ANOTHER untrue statement hasnt been written that could potentially hurt my business either directly or by making incorrect statements about Eddies death. Painful.

 

[rcarichter]

Ben,
At this point, you can rest assured that everyone here agrees with you, and no one is going to believe any of the lies. People here (myself included) won't even believe the truth without proof, and that's a good thing. We are behind you 100%, having been through 18 pages of this story. Most, like myself, went in with a totally open mind.

There are so many things that must be going through your mind right now; so please take the reptile community off of your list of worries. You're a good guy, and thousands of folks can see that.

Noelle

 

[Casey Hulse]

Ben, People who have done business with you (like me) and have seen how you operate, know you are honest and have tons of integrity. I can't imagine what you are going through at this time, but I want you to know that you have my support!
Good Luck Ben