AntiAmy
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Originally, I was on-the-fence about posting my conversations with Sean Smith about the snake. Per my understanding, he was the middleman in this transaction, so I do not guilt him. However, considering his firm stance and how the conversation ends, I do somewhat raise my eyebrow at everything. He did remove me as a Facebook friend as the conversation comes to a close, which is what he meant by "goodbye amy". I'll go ahead and post my logs, at least for the sake of completely presenting my evidence.
Again, these conversations have been posted word-for-word, but in this case, I removed all the irrelevant chat for the sake of getting-to-the-point and brevity.
September 28
10:37pm
Amy Chiu
Is the normal boa being held for Shane or someone else?
11:18pm
Sean Smith
ya shane came and got it already
11:19pm
Amy Chiu
sweet
i had asked todd if he would do $125 on the hypo. i haven't gotten a response yet.
but if you talk to todd, tell him to consider it. i would also like to think that i had a hand in getting the normal sold ;]
11:27pm
Sean Smith
hes in jail, told me hed do 175 before he went in. Heres the first one I stumbled upon from google priced at $400 for a male http://inlandpages.com/California/Planet-Reptiles/gallery-product-94.php
Hypo Salmon Boa
inlandpages.com
Hypo Salmon Boa by Planet Reptiles, Nice male. ...
11:28pm
Amy Chiu
jail?? oh no... for what? how long?
11:29pm
Sean Smith
heres another @ $225, sorry cant go lower than 175 he needs book money
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=249936
SOLD!! Very Nice Female Hypo Salmon Boa's - FaunaClassifieds
www.faunaclassifieds.com
SOLD!! Very Nice Female Hypo Salmon Boa's Boas
11:30pm
Sean Smith
for about a month I think but not sure, he hasnt called me to let me know visiting days or his actual sentence. In for DUI I believe, only has to stay so long because of a warrant and what not
11:33pm
Amy Chiu
that's retarded. i hope he gets out soon
this one matches his asking price: http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=350768
11:34pm
Sean Smith
also twice as big, id recommend you get that one so you can have babies sooner
idk it doesnt really look 4ft in the photo but maybe?
11:36pm
Amy Chiu
you've done business with underground reptiles, right? you recommend them?
11:36pm
Sean Smith
nope never, ive done about 4k worth of business with them but never will again
11:38pm
Amy Chiu
the one thing that i'm just not certain about with this snake (and todd's) is that i don't know the lineage. it helps to buy from big names like ronne, burke, etc if you're planning to resell them. i know they're described as salmon, but that descriptor gets thrown around and may not have connections to salmonboa's lineage
11:38pm
Amy Chiu
they've screwed you somehow?
11:39pm
Sean Smith
all their wholesale is crap, their care of reptiles is a toss up due to teenagers running most of the work, and they sold me a vanilla that everyone thinks is a normal lol - did get some nice snakes from them but over 35% of their business was dissappointing
11:40pm
Amy Chiu
ugh. yeah, i'm a big believer in reputation and if i hear shady stuff about an organization, i'm not going to touch them. underground reptiles will never have my business then.
11:41pm
Sean Smith
look them up on fauna, full of bad guy threads
11:42pm
Amy Chiu
kk. i'm trusting your report/experience
www.salmonboa.com doesn't have much in terms of supply atm ;\
11:43pm
Sean Smith
idk, they have some nice stuff but id be careful what you order and stay away from the wholesale completely
no idea about salmonboa.com lol
11:44pm
Amy Chiu
i'm going to be on the market for a 0.1 hypo for my summit pastel motley and 1.0 dh sharp sunglow for my sharp
their established in the boa industry
*they're
11:44pm
Sean Smith
also try getting in touch with chevy ford, he has a pair of hypo het albinos, im sure he would sell the female for alot cheaper than this one
11:46pm
Amy Chiu
i can't use kahl albinos... they're not compatible with sharp
11:47pm
Sean Smith
you just said you were looking for 0.1 hypo, a het albino is a plus and im guessing you can get it for around $50-$75
if you do message him, mention I sent you and itl help on the price
11:52pm
Amy Chiu
he had previously posted them in the group, right?
11:53pm
Sean Smith
not sure but I think so, he texted me a list and asked if I was interested in alot of stuff
October 11
10:11pm
Amy Chiu
hey sean. yes, i'm still interested. but are you looking for a solid commitment or do i have the option to change my mind?
10:17pm
Amy Chiu
i'm fairly certain that i want her. i know she has a damaged tail tip, due to probably a bad shed. however, i know it won't affect her breeding
10:30pm
Sean Smith
im looking for a commitment or theres people asking lol
10:36pm
Sean Smith
and whats wrong with her tail?
10:45pm
Amy Chiu
she had a bad shed at some point and had retained shed at the tip of her tail. it wasn't removed, so when she continued to grow, the tip of her tail started to die off. i don't know if it is fully dead, but if it is, it may eventually fall off. again, it doesn't affect breeding... it is kinda on the same level of a nose rub
10:47pm
Amy Chiu
i was hoping to discuss it with todd, but it seems that the timing is all off
10:48pm
Sean Smith
he hasnt even called me yet, dunno when hes gettin out
10:54pm
Amy Chiu
yeah. i understand it from your perspective. i'll go ahead and give you my commitment, sean. mark her mine. if you can do paypal, i would send payment to you right now. otherwise, i can bring you cash at my soonest opportunity. if you ever come to odessa, you can meet up with me as well. i know it is doubtful that todd will issue a partial refund after payment has been made, but $25 isn't too big of a deal
10:55pm
Sean Smith
if your sure ill hold her and wait for you to talk to Todd, its his money anyway
10:56pm
Amy Chiu
that sounds fine to me too. before i take her, i just want to make sure that i have that thermostat ready... other than that, i'm open
i certainly was happy to see her in the light phase too. she's quite pretty!
October 15
1:55am
Sean Smith
no offense amy but the way you hesitate to buy and now looking for rodents elsewhere tells me I should sell this snake while I can, I have people wanting it and dont want to do a favor holding it just to get declined later. Id like to hand todd a handfull of cash when he gets out lol.
1:58am
Amy Chiu
whoa sean... i'm inquiring about a place i never heard about. as far as i knew, you're having a hard time keeping up with orders, which i can completely understand. i can honestly say that i'm completely happy with your rodents, just from the small order i've gotten before. the main issue is that i hate paying over $5 each for a small rat
2:00am
Sean Smith
I dont charge nearly $5 each, also im not meaning offense just dont wana be left with a snake later when you seem interested. Theres snakes available everywhere and ratdeli has great service/prices also
2:00am
Amy Chiu
i don't understand how that has any link to the hypo. financially, i'm more than able to purchase it. i've already given you my commitment, and honestly, if todd isn't willing to go down on price, i'm still going to take it. that's what a commitment means.
2:00am
Sean Smith
sounds good, just asking lol
2:00am
Amy Chiu
i know you don't charge over $5... but petco does
i mean petsmart... no petco's in this area
2:13am
Amy Chiu
but regardless, i don't want you to feel betrayed, as that definitely isn't my intent. and if you have doubts on my commitment to the hypo, i can provide payment ASAP. when you mentioned that i could talk to todd directly, that just sounded more ideal. i'm off tomorrow and i can meet up with you
2:15am
Amy Chiu
and i can understand if you have doubts. people tend to be shitty. i don't operate that way, but i know that you don't know me that well
2:17am
Amy Chiu
actually... if you have time, let's go ahead and do that. i'll pay asking price for the hypo and i won't trouble todd with additional whatnots. he is getting out of jail and he could certainly use the money. and i would rather not burn a potential friendship. what's your schedule like?
2:17am
Sean Smith
my time is random working in a restaurant, planning on being off tomorrow though. If your sure ill just wait for todd to get out and you can talk to him before he goes home to carlsbad, im sure he will hang out a few days first.
2:20am
Amy Chiu
well, you made another point that i didn't know -- if todd paid more than he's asking, he definitely isn't likely to give it up for less
plus, it is only $25 over what i would have priced it in my head
i'm probably going to spend $500-700 on the snake i'm going to pair with my sharp albino
2:24am
Sean Smith
lol, only reason hes selling it is it was a pet. hes not breeding boas and wants to focus on ball pythons. If your looking to spend that much personally id be hesitant on a salmon and focus on top quality stuff.
he left his ex girl and doesnt have time to care for them all, only "pet" hes keeping is his fat tail gecko, the balls hes gona keep here and get a shop for them and go all out, buying rodents and letting me do the dirty work while he sits back and counts his money lol.
^of course hes gona throw a few babies at me though, and I may get back into ball pythons eventually but the hots interest me more
2:27am
Amy Chiu
that was my hesitation. and that's why i kept prying at you and todd for the snakes's background. babies will be worth much more if you can drop names/lineages. but at the same time, i originally bought my motley to simply be a pet. i'm not planning on making bank with this breeding, but i do want an older female for a bit of a head-start and i want to work with codom genes, since my motley isn't het for anything
2:51am
Sean Smith
im gona go get some sleep amy, goodnight
2:52am
Amy Chiu
alright. no bad blood between us, right?
you wanna meet up tomorrow? i'll bring cash ;]
2:53am
Sean Smith
none, dont hate me for asking, we can meet tomorrow or when todd gets out ive just gota ask your plans lol but you convinced me again.
2:54am
Amy Chiu
let's just meet up tomorrow. i guess this situation is pretty weird, how it is going now. i'll shoot you a text tomorrow ;]
2:55am
Sean Smith
ok sounds good, I heard hes getting out on the 24th from his sister
2:55am
Amy Chiu
and if (and only if) you can spare them, i'll buy some rats from you too.
but go get some sleep. i'll cya later ;]
2:55am
Sean Smith
oops sister in law, Hi Sean, i'm Todd Tindols sister in law. he wanted you to know that he has visitation on thurs and sundays from 2-4. He will also be out of jail on the 24th at 8:30 am. if you need to contact us call my husband at 815-530-xxxx. Have a good one. Jess
also heard from a guy that shared time with him who got out, says hes doing fine but one of the few white guys in there and a heated battle raging between them and the mexicans lol
2:57am
Amy Chiu
i'm glad he's getting out soon. going to jail for stupid warrants is ridiculous. poor todd
2:57am
Sean Smith
he never told me the exact story, something to do with dui and warrants though
goodnight
2:58am
Amy Chiu
at least he's getting it cleared up
night night ;]
October 15
12:35pm
Amy Chiu
oh, i guess i should probably know this too... what has the hypo been eating? medium rats?
12:36pm
Sean Smith
two smalls at a time lol, about to feed right now so you dont gota worry about it for a while
2:24pm
Amy Chiu
oh sean, if you don't mind, do you think i can have the hypo's feeding record too? i like keeping everything on paper as well
2:29pm
Sean Smith
sure as far as I have it, todd didnt have a record
October 25
7:21pm
Amy Chiu
hey sean, i'm in a dilemma with todd. i'm talking to him atm about the "salmon" since as it turns out, it is just a normal pastel
i know you're just the middleman in the situation, but i'm going ahead and giving you a heads up
i'll keep all logs and will be able to present them later
but here is the link
http://www.redtailboas.com/f17/unknown-origin-salmon-hypo-label-63687/#post654160
7:29pm
Sean Smith
idk to me it doesnt look any different than this one http://www.for-goodness-snakes.com/images/boa_salmon3.jpg there is a bit of black on the tail though?
7:30pm
Amy Chiu
what i said about her being pretty still stands. however, the forum is right -- she has too much black on her tail and doesn't have the pinched saddles. i don't think todd intentionally misrepresented her, but i don't think he has any intention of making it right...
7:40pm
Sean Smith
looks salmon to me sorry, theres a tad bit of black on the tail but nothing like a pastel would look like, http://www.for-goodness-snakes.com/collection.html
7:41pm
Amy Chiu
hypos/salmons have virtually no black on the tail and pinched saddles. i can get more opinions if it is necessary
7:43pm
Sean Smith
Todd told you everything he knew about that snake and you were fine on the price and the snake knowing it came from an expo, you say virtually no black but there are a few with some black on their tails im looking at them, as far as the saddles I dont see what you mean either. Take a look at brian gundys salmons and pastels
7:44pm
Sean Smith
whatever it is its definately nothing like his pastels
7:46pm
Amy Chiu
/sigh, i'll collect more opinions and strengthen the case.
7:59pm
Sean Smith
I just dont see why you think you should get a refund, he was honest with you about the whole thing and you were fine with the snake and the price and picked it up, if its not a salmon he got ripped also because he paid more, I even showed you salmons on other sites and recommended you get those if you are unsure
8:04pm
Amy Chiu
i dont doubt that todd got ripped either. i dont think he knew either when he/you sold it to me. but from my perspective, i bought a salmon that isn't a salmon and isn't even a hypo. i'm trying to work it out with todd without being forceful and i offered giving the snake back to him or him doing a partial refund if he didn't want it back
8:06pm
Amy Chiu
i understand his situation and i know he has been in jail and is trying to straighten things up. i don't feel that i came to him as a jerk
8:06pm
Sean Smith
you bought the snake on those terms and was fine with it, theres nothing wrong with the snake and I dont see any cause for a refund or return
8:06pm
Amy Chiu
it was definitely an oversight on my part to not catch it when i was looking at it. but i'm hoping it isn't a mistake on my part when i took what he said literally
the terms were "female salmon boa". if you bought a snake of the wrong sex, would you be disappointed and go to the seller?
8:20pm
Sean Smith
sure if it was a breeder or something, you bought it knowing it was an expo pickup and you wanted it and you paid for it and picked it up. nobody ever lied to you or anything and I dont see any reason why todd has to take an even bigger loss on the snake, according to the guys on permian basin reptiles you may be right but still dont see cause for a refund and one of them is claiming if it is a pastel its a kubsch or marron line that would cost more than a salmon anyway.
8:25pm
Amy Chiu
i picked her up as a salmon with intent to breed. it was sold as a female salmon boa. again, i'm not saying that todd lied to me... he didn't know (and obviously i didn't initially know either). but what it comes down to is this snake isn't what it is. it isn't that todd is taking an even bigger loss on the snake -- he should sell it for what it really is. whether he wants to take it back and resell it or sell it to me as a pastel (with partial refund) is what i'm leaving up to him. i'm definitely ok with either
8:25pm
Amy Chiu
it isn't a case of buyer's remorse, sean. i really really wish she were a salmon. but she just isn't...
again, she's pretty. but genetically, she is a normal
8:29pm
Amy Chiu
also, expo pickup doesn't mean it is just a straight mystery snake that you have to figure out for yourself. expo animals are sold as something. i don't doubt that todd got screwed initially and again, i don't think he knowingly sold it as something it isn't. but i bought this snake labeled as something it isn't
8:32pm
Sean Smith
good luck amy but I honestly dont think theres cause for a refund, thats between you and todd though. He had other offers on the snake and you asked me to hold it for you and I even recommended if your unsure then buy the ones on fauna and kingsnake and gave you links to them.
8:33pm
Amy Chiu
i thought you were sending me those links for comparison. but yes, the ultimate reason i mentioned it to you was not because i hold you responsible. i know you were the middleman in this transaction, so i was just informing you of what's going on
10:24pm
Amy Chiu
hey sean, looking for some clarification. i went through the logs again and todd stated that you two are partners?
10:26pm
Sean Smith
amy im not going to help you get your money from todd thats between you and him and I believe its a salmon, yes we are partners on a few snakes but no we are not complete partners...
10:27pm
Amy Chiu
i'm not asking for help, sean. but he referenced you and i feel that it is relevant. i was just asking for clarification, but that's fine
10:28pm
Sean Smith
why you gona try to badmouth me on fauna also??? why on earth would you want clarification on that... We went in together on a few snakes but he is not my flat out partner thanks...
you can find another rodent supplier also, would hate for you to try to badmouth my rodents later...
10:29pm
Amy Chiu
i'm not badmouthing you on fauna. i'm simply putting the facts out there and it was todd that referenced you. per my understanding, you were simply the middleman and his representative when you were jailed.
10:29pm
Sean Smith
goodbye amy, this is between you and todd and I believe its a salmon and you just want xtra cash for a gun show
10:31pm
Amy Chiu
darling, this isn't about cash to me anymore. $100 isn't that big of a deal to me, but this principle is. i'm not attacking you, i was just making clarification on the statement because todd referenced you and the members on fauna are probably going to inquire about that.
if anything, i'm giving you a heads up. there's no need to be sensitive
10:32pm
Sean Smith
there is need to be sensitive, your dragging me into this and all I did was hold the snake while he was in jail. goodbye amy!
10:33pm
Amy Chiu
again, i'm not dragging you anywhere. todd referenced you were partners. i simply inquired.
Again, these conversations have been posted word-for-word, but in this case, I removed all the irrelevant chat for the sake of getting-to-the-point and brevity.
September 28
10:37pm
Amy Chiu
Is the normal boa being held for Shane or someone else?
11:18pm
Sean Smith
ya shane came and got it already
11:19pm
Amy Chiu
sweet
i had asked todd if he would do $125 on the hypo. i haven't gotten a response yet.
but if you talk to todd, tell him to consider it. i would also like to think that i had a hand in getting the normal sold ;]
11:27pm
Sean Smith
hes in jail, told me hed do 175 before he went in. Heres the first one I stumbled upon from google priced at $400 for a male http://inlandpages.com/California/Planet-Reptiles/gallery-product-94.php
Hypo Salmon Boa
inlandpages.com
Hypo Salmon Boa by Planet Reptiles, Nice male. ...
11:28pm
Amy Chiu
jail?? oh no... for what? how long?
11:29pm
Sean Smith
heres another @ $225, sorry cant go lower than 175 he needs book money
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=249936SOLD!! Very Nice Female Hypo Salmon Boa's - FaunaClassifieds
www.faunaclassifieds.com
SOLD!! Very Nice Female Hypo Salmon Boa's Boas
11:30pm
Sean Smith
for about a month I think but not sure, he hasnt called me to let me know visiting days or his actual sentence. In for DUI I believe, only has to stay so long because of a warrant and what not
11:33pm
Amy Chiu
that's retarded. i hope he gets out soon
this one matches his asking price: http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=350768
11:34pm
Sean Smith
also twice as big, id recommend you get that one so you can have babies sooner
idk it doesnt really look 4ft in the photo but maybe?
11:36pm
Amy Chiu
you've done business with underground reptiles, right? you recommend them?
11:36pm
Sean Smith
nope never, ive done about 4k worth of business with them but never will again
11:38pm
Amy Chiu
the one thing that i'm just not certain about with this snake (and todd's) is that i don't know the lineage. it helps to buy from big names like ronne, burke, etc if you're planning to resell them. i know they're described as salmon, but that descriptor gets thrown around and may not have connections to salmonboa's lineage
11:38pm
Amy Chiu
they've screwed you somehow?
11:39pm
Sean Smith
all their wholesale is crap, their care of reptiles is a toss up due to teenagers running most of the work, and they sold me a vanilla that everyone thinks is a normal lol - did get some nice snakes from them but over 35% of their business was dissappointing
11:40pm
Amy Chiu
ugh. yeah, i'm a big believer in reputation and if i hear shady stuff about an organization, i'm not going to touch them. underground reptiles will never have my business then.
11:41pm
Sean Smith
look them up on fauna, full of bad guy threads
11:42pm
Amy Chiu
kk. i'm trusting your report/experience
www.salmonboa.com doesn't have much in terms of supply atm ;\
11:43pm
Sean Smith
idk, they have some nice stuff but id be careful what you order and stay away from the wholesale completely
no idea about salmonboa.com lol
11:44pm
Amy Chiu
i'm going to be on the market for a 0.1 hypo for my summit pastel motley and 1.0 dh sharp sunglow for my sharp
their established in the boa industry
*they're
11:44pm
Sean Smith
also try getting in touch with chevy ford, he has a pair of hypo het albinos, im sure he would sell the female for alot cheaper than this one
11:46pm
Amy Chiu
i can't use kahl albinos... they're not compatible with sharp
11:47pm
Sean Smith
you just said you were looking for 0.1 hypo, a het albino is a plus and im guessing you can get it for around $50-$75
if you do message him, mention I sent you and itl help on the price
11:52pm
Amy Chiu
he had previously posted them in the group, right?
11:53pm
Sean Smith
not sure but I think so, he texted me a list and asked if I was interested in alot of stuff
October 11
10:11pm
Amy Chiu
hey sean. yes, i'm still interested. but are you looking for a solid commitment or do i have the option to change my mind?
10:17pm
Amy Chiu
i'm fairly certain that i want her. i know she has a damaged tail tip, due to probably a bad shed. however, i know it won't affect her breeding
10:30pm
Sean Smith
im looking for a commitment or theres people asking lol
10:36pm
Sean Smith
and whats wrong with her tail?
10:45pm
Amy Chiu
she had a bad shed at some point and had retained shed at the tip of her tail. it wasn't removed, so when she continued to grow, the tip of her tail started to die off. i don't know if it is fully dead, but if it is, it may eventually fall off. again, it doesn't affect breeding... it is kinda on the same level of a nose rub
10:47pm
Amy Chiu
i was hoping to discuss it with todd, but it seems that the timing is all off
10:48pm
Sean Smith
he hasnt even called me yet, dunno when hes gettin out
10:54pm
Amy Chiu
yeah. i understand it from your perspective. i'll go ahead and give you my commitment, sean. mark her mine. if you can do paypal, i would send payment to you right now. otherwise, i can bring you cash at my soonest opportunity. if you ever come to odessa, you can meet up with me as well. i know it is doubtful that todd will issue a partial refund after payment has been made, but $25 isn't too big of a deal
10:55pm
Sean Smith
if your sure ill hold her and wait for you to talk to Todd, its his money anyway
10:56pm
Amy Chiu
that sounds fine to me too. before i take her, i just want to make sure that i have that thermostat ready... other than that, i'm open
i certainly was happy to see her in the light phase too. she's quite pretty!
October 15
1:55am
Sean Smith
no offense amy but the way you hesitate to buy and now looking for rodents elsewhere tells me I should sell this snake while I can, I have people wanting it and dont want to do a favor holding it just to get declined later. Id like to hand todd a handfull of cash when he gets out lol.
1:58am
Amy Chiu
whoa sean... i'm inquiring about a place i never heard about. as far as i knew, you're having a hard time keeping up with orders, which i can completely understand. i can honestly say that i'm completely happy with your rodents, just from the small order i've gotten before. the main issue is that i hate paying over $5 each for a small rat
2:00am
Sean Smith
I dont charge nearly $5 each, also im not meaning offense just dont wana be left with a snake later when you seem interested. Theres snakes available everywhere and ratdeli has great service/prices also
2:00am
Amy Chiu
i don't understand how that has any link to the hypo. financially, i'm more than able to purchase it. i've already given you my commitment, and honestly, if todd isn't willing to go down on price, i'm still going to take it. that's what a commitment means.
2:00am
Sean Smith
sounds good, just asking lol
2:00am
Amy Chiu
i know you don't charge over $5... but petco does
i mean petsmart... no petco's in this area
2:13am
Amy Chiu
but regardless, i don't want you to feel betrayed, as that definitely isn't my intent. and if you have doubts on my commitment to the hypo, i can provide payment ASAP. when you mentioned that i could talk to todd directly, that just sounded more ideal. i'm off tomorrow and i can meet up with you
2:15am
Amy Chiu
and i can understand if you have doubts. people tend to be shitty. i don't operate that way, but i know that you don't know me that well
2:17am
Amy Chiu
actually... if you have time, let's go ahead and do that. i'll pay asking price for the hypo and i won't trouble todd with additional whatnots. he is getting out of jail and he could certainly use the money. and i would rather not burn a potential friendship. what's your schedule like?
2:17am
Sean Smith
my time is random working in a restaurant, planning on being off tomorrow though. If your sure ill just wait for todd to get out and you can talk to him before he goes home to carlsbad, im sure he will hang out a few days first.
2:20am
Amy Chiu
well, you made another point that i didn't know -- if todd paid more than he's asking, he definitely isn't likely to give it up for less
plus, it is only $25 over what i would have priced it in my head
i'm probably going to spend $500-700 on the snake i'm going to pair with my sharp albino
2:24am
Sean Smith
lol, only reason hes selling it is it was a pet. hes not breeding boas and wants to focus on ball pythons. If your looking to spend that much personally id be hesitant on a salmon and focus on top quality stuff.
he left his ex girl and doesnt have time to care for them all, only "pet" hes keeping is his fat tail gecko, the balls hes gona keep here and get a shop for them and go all out, buying rodents and letting me do the dirty work while he sits back and counts his money lol.
^of course hes gona throw a few babies at me though, and I may get back into ball pythons eventually but the hots interest me more
2:27am
Amy Chiu
that was my hesitation. and that's why i kept prying at you and todd for the snakes's background. babies will be worth much more if you can drop names/lineages. but at the same time, i originally bought my motley to simply be a pet. i'm not planning on making bank with this breeding, but i do want an older female for a bit of a head-start and i want to work with codom genes, since my motley isn't het for anything
2:51am
Sean Smith
im gona go get some sleep amy, goodnight
2:52am
Amy Chiu
alright. no bad blood between us, right?
you wanna meet up tomorrow? i'll bring cash ;]
2:53am
Sean Smith
none, dont hate me for asking, we can meet tomorrow or when todd gets out ive just gota ask your plans lol but you convinced me again.
2:54am
Amy Chiu
let's just meet up tomorrow. i guess this situation is pretty weird, how it is going now. i'll shoot you a text tomorrow ;]
2:55am
Sean Smith
ok sounds good, I heard hes getting out on the 24th from his sister
2:55am
Amy Chiu
and if (and only if) you can spare them, i'll buy some rats from you too.
but go get some sleep. i'll cya later ;]
2:55am
Sean Smith
oops sister in law, Hi Sean, i'm Todd Tindols sister in law. he wanted you to know that he has visitation on thurs and sundays from 2-4. He will also be out of jail on the 24th at 8:30 am. if you need to contact us call my husband at 815-530-xxxx. Have a good one. Jess
also heard from a guy that shared time with him who got out, says hes doing fine but one of the few white guys in there and a heated battle raging between them and the mexicans lol
2:57am
Amy Chiu
i'm glad he's getting out soon. going to jail for stupid warrants is ridiculous. poor todd
2:57am
Sean Smith
he never told me the exact story, something to do with dui and warrants though
goodnight
2:58am
Amy Chiu
at least he's getting it cleared up
night night ;]
October 15
12:35pm
Amy Chiu
oh, i guess i should probably know this too... what has the hypo been eating? medium rats?
12:36pm
Sean Smith
two smalls at a time lol, about to feed right now so you dont gota worry about it for a while
2:24pm
Amy Chiu
oh sean, if you don't mind, do you think i can have the hypo's feeding record too? i like keeping everything on paper as well
2:29pm
Sean Smith
sure as far as I have it, todd didnt have a record
October 25
7:21pm
Amy Chiu
hey sean, i'm in a dilemma with todd. i'm talking to him atm about the "salmon" since as it turns out, it is just a normal pastel
i know you're just the middleman in the situation, but i'm going ahead and giving you a heads up
i'll keep all logs and will be able to present them later
but here is the link
http://www.redtailboas.com/f17/unknown-origin-salmon-hypo-label-63687/#post654160
7:29pm
Sean Smith
idk to me it doesnt look any different than this one http://www.for-goodness-snakes.com/images/boa_salmon3.jpg there is a bit of black on the tail though?
7:30pm
Amy Chiu
what i said about her being pretty still stands. however, the forum is right -- she has too much black on her tail and doesn't have the pinched saddles. i don't think todd intentionally misrepresented her, but i don't think he has any intention of making it right...
7:40pm
Sean Smith
looks salmon to me sorry, theres a tad bit of black on the tail but nothing like a pastel would look like, http://www.for-goodness-snakes.com/collection.html
7:41pm
Amy Chiu
hypos/salmons have virtually no black on the tail and pinched saddles. i can get more opinions if it is necessary
7:43pm
Sean Smith
Todd told you everything he knew about that snake and you were fine on the price and the snake knowing it came from an expo, you say virtually no black but there are a few with some black on their tails im looking at them, as far as the saddles I dont see what you mean either. Take a look at brian gundys salmons and pastels
7:44pm
Sean Smith
whatever it is its definately nothing like his pastels
7:46pm
Amy Chiu
/sigh, i'll collect more opinions and strengthen the case.
7:59pm
Sean Smith
I just dont see why you think you should get a refund, he was honest with you about the whole thing and you were fine with the snake and the price and picked it up, if its not a salmon he got ripped also because he paid more, I even showed you salmons on other sites and recommended you get those if you are unsure
8:04pm
Amy Chiu
i dont doubt that todd got ripped either. i dont think he knew either when he/you sold it to me. but from my perspective, i bought a salmon that isn't a salmon and isn't even a hypo. i'm trying to work it out with todd without being forceful and i offered giving the snake back to him or him doing a partial refund if he didn't want it back
8:06pm
Amy Chiu
i understand his situation and i know he has been in jail and is trying to straighten things up. i don't feel that i came to him as a jerk
8:06pm
Sean Smith
you bought the snake on those terms and was fine with it, theres nothing wrong with the snake and I dont see any cause for a refund or return
8:06pm
Amy Chiu
it was definitely an oversight on my part to not catch it when i was looking at it. but i'm hoping it isn't a mistake on my part when i took what he said literally
the terms were "female salmon boa". if you bought a snake of the wrong sex, would you be disappointed and go to the seller?
8:20pm
Sean Smith
sure if it was a breeder or something, you bought it knowing it was an expo pickup and you wanted it and you paid for it and picked it up. nobody ever lied to you or anything and I dont see any reason why todd has to take an even bigger loss on the snake, according to the guys on permian basin reptiles you may be right but still dont see cause for a refund and one of them is claiming if it is a pastel its a kubsch or marron line that would cost more than a salmon anyway.
8:25pm
Amy Chiu
i picked her up as a salmon with intent to breed. it was sold as a female salmon boa. again, i'm not saying that todd lied to me... he didn't know (and obviously i didn't initially know either). but what it comes down to is this snake isn't what it is. it isn't that todd is taking an even bigger loss on the snake -- he should sell it for what it really is. whether he wants to take it back and resell it or sell it to me as a pastel (with partial refund) is what i'm leaving up to him. i'm definitely ok with either
8:25pm
Amy Chiu
it isn't a case of buyer's remorse, sean. i really really wish she were a salmon. but she just isn't...
again, she's pretty. but genetically, she is a normal
8:29pm
Amy Chiu
also, expo pickup doesn't mean it is just a straight mystery snake that you have to figure out for yourself. expo animals are sold as something. i don't doubt that todd got screwed initially and again, i don't think he knowingly sold it as something it isn't. but i bought this snake labeled as something it isn't
8:32pm
Sean Smith
good luck amy but I honestly dont think theres cause for a refund, thats between you and todd though. He had other offers on the snake and you asked me to hold it for you and I even recommended if your unsure then buy the ones on fauna and kingsnake and gave you links to them.
8:33pm
Amy Chiu
i thought you were sending me those links for comparison. but yes, the ultimate reason i mentioned it to you was not because i hold you responsible. i know you were the middleman in this transaction, so i was just informing you of what's going on
10:24pm
Amy Chiu
hey sean, looking for some clarification. i went through the logs again and todd stated that you two are partners?
10:26pm
Sean Smith
amy im not going to help you get your money from todd thats between you and him and I believe its a salmon, yes we are partners on a few snakes but no we are not complete partners...
10:27pm
Amy Chiu
i'm not asking for help, sean. but he referenced you and i feel that it is relevant. i was just asking for clarification, but that's fine
10:28pm
Sean Smith
why you gona try to badmouth me on fauna also??? why on earth would you want clarification on that... We went in together on a few snakes but he is not my flat out partner thanks...
you can find another rodent supplier also, would hate for you to try to badmouth my rodents later...
10:29pm
Amy Chiu
i'm not badmouthing you on fauna. i'm simply putting the facts out there and it was todd that referenced you. per my understanding, you were simply the middleman and his representative when you were jailed.
10:29pm
Sean Smith
goodbye amy, this is between you and todd and I believe its a salmon and you just want xtra cash for a gun show
10:31pm
Amy Chiu
darling, this isn't about cash to me anymore. $100 isn't that big of a deal to me, but this principle is. i'm not attacking you, i was just making clarification on the statement because todd referenced you and the members on fauna are probably going to inquire about that.
if anything, i'm giving you a heads up. there's no need to be sensitive
10:32pm
Sean Smith
there is need to be sensitive, your dragging me into this and all I did was hold the snake while he was in jail. goodbye amy!
10:33pm
Amy Chiu
again, i'm not dragging you anywhere. todd referenced you were partners. i simply inquired.
