Secession petitions now filed for all 50 states

[Metachrosis]

Thats a very small portion/reason for these partitions,the majority are sick of being in a bucket of crabs and UFO fly-by's.
How can one of reasonable sanity not understand the current state of this nation ?
Folks have another thing coming if they think they can just bounce out
to some other country to a better life.
DHS has long since infected many countries this last decade,hyper paranoia
on in bound US immigrants this last decade easily strikes Canada and Australia as destination doom for common visitors.

Look forward to the "New Constitution" movement thats soon to break the media suppression.
Those in "positions" that are opposed to Secession are the ones running it,this is well into 4 yrs in conception so its nothing to do with recent election results.

Keep in mind the Civil War was kicked off during identical circumstances
Only real difference was then the populous had backbone and not government issued(dependent) wishbones.

All I can say to anyone that wants to secede because they didn't get their way is "Have a nice life." Maybe they need to self-deport themselves. It'd be a quick way to not be affiliated with this nation that has apparently gone to hell in a handbasket in their eyes.

Chris

 

[JCCS]

Tommy, have fun with your friends during your gatherings to discuss how to make more effective tin foil hats.

Chris

 

[Metachrosis]

aint about tin foil hats,blatantly excusing proven documentation
from a two party democracy position easily surpasses the redundant "tin foil"

 

[JColt]

Truth be known, unless you are looking at secession from the entire planet and the human race entirely, all you will be doing is rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic with anything less.

People are screwed up. People in power are REALLY screwed up. It's just a screw loose in our genetic makeup, apparently. I often wonder if Earth was just a dumping ground for some alien civilization's defective citizens much like Australia used to be for criminals deported from England.....

It's no wonder UFOs just fly by and don't drop in for a chat.

All I can say to anyone that wants to secede because they didn't get their way is "Have a nice life." Maybe they need to self-deport themselves. It'd be a quick way to not be affiliated with this nation that has apparently gone to hell in a handbasket in their eyes.

Chris

Both statements sum up my thoughts pretty well

 

[IMAJACOBIAN]

Good to see you all post your responses.

In reality, I don't see this happenning. What I would like to see, though, is less Federal Gov. Power and more power to each state to regulate where they need it. Just like the Lacey Act and the Burms. Less power to the feds and more to the states to regulate as/where needed.

 

[WebSlave]

If the states REALLY wanted to kill the federal government, the way to do that is by strangling off their source of the fed's power: taxes. Simply declare that all of the state's citizens are now exempted from federal income taxes and DARE the IRS to come in to try to collect them. Throw any federal agent crossing the state's border in jail, and that will end pretty quickly. Convert the federal income tax into local and state income taxes at 50 percent or less of the current bill and the states will be able to take care of themselves without federal meddling.

Of course, another civil war will probably be pretty messy and rather unpleasant....

 

[Metachrosis]

“To follow the founding document of the Republic, the Declaration of Independence, wherein it is clearly stated that it is the right and the duty of the American people, when their government becomes destructive and tyrannical, to abolish and reconstitute it in a form that protects our liberties.”


Where is the tin foil in any of that?

 

[IMAJACOBIAN]

We support them, not only thru taxes, but thru man power. It is our citizens that give the man power to the military and other departments. If we deny them that, we win. No matter what country or place anyone is in, nobody will ever be in 100% agreement with each other, so that wouldn't happen. We are a country divided in some ways, but in other ways that is what we stand for as a country. I have never met a person I agree with on every subject, but if we mostly agree as a whole that is what matters and what voting is all about.

Some state wont be able to support themselves comepletly. Take Alaska for example with the bridge to nowhere.

 

[IMAJACOBIAN]

Should have read...

Some STATES wont be able to support themselves comepletly

 

[hhmoore]

Yes, it is our citizens that make up the US military...that is why many going into the military (I don't know if it is a general policy) are asked if they would have a problem acting against US citizens, should the need arise. The majority of those petitions - which aren't presented by the governing bodies of the States, btw - ask for PEACEFUL secessation, or that their request be granted...does anybody really believe that is going to happen?

(What is really sad is that there are actually people who believe that getting enough signatures on an online petition will automatically result in their State becoming a free entity. It isn't surprising to me that some have no concept of what that would require, or what the impact would be.)

 

[Metachrosis]

No tin foil here

It is self-evident that our freedoms have been severely limited and the apparent prosperity we still have, is nothing more than leftover wealth from a previous time. This fictitious wealth based on debt and benefits from a false trust in our currency and credit, will play havoc with our society when the bills come due. This means that the full consequence of our lost liberties is yet to be felt.
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But that illusion is now ending. Reversing a downward spiral depends on accepting a new approach.
Expect the rapidly expanding homeschooling movement to play a significant role in the revolutionary reforms needed to build a free society with Constitutional protections. We cannot expect a Federal government controlled school system to provide the intellectual ammunition to combat the dangerous growth of government that threatens our liberties.
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Government schools are about indoctrination, and “sheep-herding,” as the genius and poet Ezra Pound described it.
Totalitarian governments treat the mass of people as sheep to be brainwashed, robbed, and slaughtered.
The history of the totalitarian states in Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union proved that totalitarianism is the death of the soul and the annihilation of the individual.
Individuals in America have a moral and spiritual duty to mentally secede from a war-possessed totalitarian government that is only interested in enslaving, killing, robbing, lying, spying, and cheating. It is the right and honorable course. I stand with them, and with all humans who want to mentally and spiritually secede from oppressive governments.

Ron Paul

 

[snowgyre]

Good to see you all post your responses.

In reality, I don't see this happenning. What I would like to see, though, is less Federal Gov. Power and more power to each state to regulate where they need it. Just like the Lacey Act and the Burms. Less power to the feds and more to the states to regulate as/where needed.

To be fair, the Lacey Act on its own is well within Federal responsibility. The Feds are supposed to regulate interstate and international trade, the states are responsible for trade within their own borders, which makes sense. The Lacey Act has done a lot of good as well, since it effectively shut down market hunting at the turn of the 20th century (the law was passed in 1900). We wouldn't be enjoying any of the wildlife we have today if not for this law, and we had already lost several species due to unregulated game laws in the 1800s (such as the Heath Hen, once native to Long Island, the Labrador Duck which went extinct so quickly that we quite literally know nothing about it other than it existed and tasted good, the Great Auk, the Carolina Parakeet, the Passenger Pigeon, the list goes on).

To me, seceding is the easy way out for the majority of people signing that petition. It's quite simply a cop out. Rather than attempting to fix the government that currently exists, they just wipe their hands clean, don't vote, don't follow politics, and simply whine and complain about the current state of things when they are just as responsible as anyone else for the status of things. Seceding won't fix any problems and just create new ones. You think Texas has a problem with illegal immigration now? Think about Texas trying to deal with that on their own... and Mexico being able to declare war on the state. Regardless of how well armed Texans are, there is no way they could stand up to an organized army without the help of a larger entity.

Real change takes time, effort, and energy. If you don't like the way things are now, work to change it, don't sit and whine and sign silly online petitions thinking that you're actually making a difference. It's laughable.

 

[IMAJACOBIAN]

To be fair, the Lacey Act on its own is well within Federal responsibility. The Feds are supposed to regulate interstate and international trade, the states are responsible for trade within their own borders, which makes sense. The Lacey Act has done a lot of good as well, since it effectively shut down market hunting at the turn of the 20th century (the law was passed in 1900). We wouldn't be enjoying any of the wildlife we have today if not for this law, and we had already lost several species due to unregulated game laws in the 1800s (such as the Heath Hen, once native to Long Island, the Labrador Duck which went extinct so quickly that we quite literally know nothing about it other than it existed and tasted good, the Great Auk, the Carolina Parakeet, the Passenger Pigeon, the list goes on).

To me, seceding is the easy way out for the majority of people signing that petition. It's quite simply a cop out. Rather than attempting to fix the government that currently exists, they just wipe their hands clean, don't vote, don't follow politics, and simply whine and complain about the current state of things when they are just as responsible as anyone else for the status of things. Seceding won't fix any problems and just create new ones. You think Texas has a problem with illegal immigration now? Think about Texas trying to deal with that on their own... and Mexico being able to declare war on the state. Regardless of how well armed Texans are, there is no way they could stand up to an organized army without the help of a larger entity.

Real change takes time, effort, and energy. If you don't like the way things are now, work to change it, don't sit and whine and sign silly online petitions thinking that you're actually making a difference. It's laughable.

Very good point.

 

[Metachrosis]

:edit
never mind,she is blocked for a reason . . . . .

 

[snowgyre]

Hah, that amuses me. The one who claims we are being censored is voluntarily censoring himself from people who disagree with him. The irony/hypocrasy is hilarious! Tommy just made my day. Welcome to the sheeple, buddy! Don't dish it if you can't take it!

 

[GMTIRRILL]

hymm, these petitions are one stupid and will get no credit. and since they will destroy the united states government are concidered illegal everyone that signed them should feel lucky they have a white house at this time that will entertan them and heres my proof excerpt from the u.s code chapter 115 title 18 qoute: Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government; or

Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates, sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government in the United States by force or violence, or attempts to do so; or

Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes thereof—

Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.

If two or more persons conspire to commit any offense named in this section, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.

As used in this section, the terms “organizes” and “organize”, with respect to any society, group, or assembly of persons, include the recruiting of new members, the forming of new units, and the regrouping or expansion of existing clubs, classes, and other units of such society, group, or assembly of persons. peacefull or not the petitions can and should fall under provision of u.s code. and everyone that signed them should answer for the advocation of destruction of the united state goverment.

 

[WebSlave]

hymm, these petitions are one stupid and will get no credit. and since they will destroy the united states government are concidered illegal everyone that signed them should feel lucky they have a white house at this time that will entertan them and heres my proof excerpt from the u.s code chapter 115 title 18 qoute: Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government; or

Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates, sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government in the United States by force or violence, or attempts to do so; or

Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes thereof—

Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.

If two or more persons conspire to commit any offense named in this section, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.

As used in this section, the terms “organizes” and “organize”, with respect to any society, group, or assembly of persons, include the recruiting of new members, the forming of new units, and the regrouping or expansion of existing clubs, classes, and other units of such society, group, or assembly of persons. peacefull or not the petitions can and should fall under provision of u.s code. and everyone that signed them should answer for the advocation of destruction of the united state goverment.

I would be interested to know if this has ever been subjected to a test of constitutionality.

 

[Teatime]

hymm, these petitions are one stupid and will get no credit. and since they will destroy the united states government are concidered illegal everyone that signed them should feel lucky they have a white house at this time that will entertan them and heres my proof excerpt from the u.s code chapter 115 title 18 qoute: Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government; or

Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates, sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government in the United States by force or violence, or attempts to do so; or

Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes thereof—

Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.

If two or more persons conspire to commit any offense named in this section, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.

As used in this section, the terms “organizes” and “organize”, with respect to any society, group, or assembly of persons, include the recruiting of new members, the forming of new units, and the regrouping or expansion of existing clubs, classes, and other units of such society, group, or assembly of persons. peacefull or not the petitions can and should fall under provision of u.s code. and everyone that signed them should answer for the advocation of destruction of the united state goverment.

Read the bold in each paragraph as if it was one sentence. That is the purpose of the law. It's saying you can't destroy government property or assassinate government officials. And it is certainly very Constitutional. We are by no means allowed to kill people just because they work for the government, or wreak destruction on property.

 

[Dennis Hultman]

No-matter what anyone thinks about the petitions this is ludicrous.

petitions can and should fall under provision of u.s code. and everyone that signed them should answer for the advocation of destruction of the united state goverment.

Your position is just as fanatical as any who believes that such a petition would actually have any impact on anything.

Asking for secession isn't the same as overthrowing or advocating destruction.

by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government; or

overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or violence

When did asking to take leave become a violent event? Why would the US be destroyed if Texas did leave?

While the civil war and its aftermath put forth a different belief of States Rights it was always implied and believed beforehand that any state could leave.

No-matter what one believes about how silly these petitions are or aren't your willingness to put people in jail for stating or agreeing that they would like to peacefully succeed is idiotic.

I don't agree with these petitions for a host of reasons and haven't signed any of them but if the government started arresting people for peacefully suggesting that they would be better off if their state left the union and was peacefully petitioning, then I would agree with them with full support to separate from a fanatical federal government.

Although, if such a fanatical government finally crossed that line and became fully the same and repressive as other nations we constantly tell our citizens is the enemies of freedom, then separation would be the last resort. Full removal of whatever government in charge by all means necessary would be warranted.

That wouldn't be destructive but restorative.

 

[rcarichter]

I've spent a great deal of time in several other countries, most of whom consider themselves a democracy. Many of them are really great in one way or another. Until your child develops cancer, or your handicap prevents you from getting any job, or you're late on your tax payment so the government cuts your boat anchor in the middle of the night (I've actually seen that one!). To those of you who would like to leave, assuming for one moment that you don't have the resources to form your own government, do you find any country on this planet superior to ours in all respects? Surely someone has gotten it right? If it's all so obvious, where do we find this Utopia?

Noelle