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first time Hogg Island Boa Breeder

I wouldn't say they are pure hogs now that I know they are not pure.
They are still half hog, and that does matter. Idc about other people's breeding purposes. They are just pets. They shouldn't have to spend their life in a small bin on a rack anyway.
 
No need for hostile responses. I'm not mad for the record. I am thankful for what info that has been provided. I am now looking for the best way to make the prettiest snakes I can with what I have for my own self.
If there's anything I can breed them to, for myself mind you, I'd like to know what can be added to the genes I have to make a beautiful snake.
 
Aaaaaand, it continues. Jacob - welcome to FaunaClassifieds - home of the hard truth, with little of that sticky candy coating.
As I stated earlier, in response to your question about value/worth - those boas are worth no more than common boas...and, in the eyes of many, they're worth less. We understand that is a bit of a slap, even more so when you realize that you've been cheated; it's just, for many of us, hog island crosses are not a good thing because they corrupt an already limited bloodline.
Now, you've said you're going to breed them anyway. That is your choice, you (over)paid for them. My suggestion is that if you are set on your plan, and you so dislike the information you are being given, that you simply let the discussion go. Do what you are going to do, and honestly represent the babies when you decide to sell them. There are lots of people that buy cheap boas for pets - they will be your market. Yes - all they will be is cheap boas...try to make them anything more, and you'll be housing them yourself.
For now, you need to slow yourself down a little bit. You've accepted that they aren't pure hog island boas...but, by saying they are still half hog island, you are still misrepresenting them. The bottom line is that you don't know how much hog island is in them. The best thing you can do is lose the hog island fixation you currently (and understandably) have. They're just pretty boas.
As far as breeding options - hypo, motley, or a nice pastel would work for you. Enjoy your boas...you wandered into a touchy subject, that just speaks to the passion people have for these animals. Make the best of it, learn from it (the people posting on this thread are excellent resources), and understand that it's nothing personal.
 
Until you can verify exactly where they come from(breeding) you can not rightfully carry
any form of locality label.Attempting to accurately split DNA with an assumption and diluted visual reference leaves you well outside 50% of anything which,as you have already been told is "nothing".

Plant a white flag already . . . . .
 
Thank you HHMoore.
They are still part hogs though, which is important to me. I'm not trying to add to the hog gene pool and keep that particular snake going, there's plenty of others who do that now.
I appriceate you actually answering my question to your fullest abilities.
See I didn't plan on getting crosses, and I feel people are jumping my shit because I am going to breed these halfies anyway.
It comes down to people who are pro hybrid and people who are con hybrid.
Regardless, I didn't plan to buy hybrids. I do however have to work with what I currently have.
Could you possibly tell me a little more about those morphs you listed and what they may do to the beauty of these snakes?
 
So ... you're going with the make lemonade approach, eh?

I am not sure if denial is the issue here or you just flat do not care. I would love to know how you are going to house and care for potentially 30+ boas that you are going to have a hard time to sell.

People are "jumping on you" because you are acting like a fool.

You are going to breed them just because. That's really what it comes down to and that's an irresponsible reason and way to breed.
 
@Meta, gathering other helpful info to make the best out of what I do have. Can't blame a man for that.
You get delt a card, and it's up to the holder how they play it. I'm just asking others to give me ideas of what to breed them with to make more pretts boas. Hhmoore has been a great help throughout this whole post.
If more people would do as HH is, and actually give info on what I can breed what I am now stuck with to make more pretty boas.
Such as what can I add to them to have any more beautiful offspring.

Telling me to wave my white flag is just another way of being rude.
 
You're basically saying "Just tell me what I want to hear and we're all gravy".

You got people's opinions on what you can breed them too. The answer is "nothing" or, basically "whatever you want". Making them "pretty" takes a lot of time and effort and should be started with better stock.
 
Oh my god. How many times do I have to say this; "I am not breeding to sell them, I am breeding to make pretty snakes with the ones I currently have."
I will go out and buy others to actually do something with, I like the way these look and want a project for myself that is solely for myself.

Did you forget I have 5000 rats to feed to them? Housing is no issue for me.
 
Let's say you get 28 babies.

You're keeping all 28 babies for the entirety of their lives?

For potentially forty years?
 
HHMoore gave me the only answer that actually answered what I am asking.
Looking for more people who will answer with that to cross them with. Idc about time or worth, how many damn times do I need to say I am doing this for me? Not for commercial sale. Get that straight. If you oppose me breeding them, say your peace and go on with your life. If you want to add options to the table for me to breed my current snakes to to make more beautiful snakes, then please do. I don't care how long it takes, this is a HOBBY. Something I've done since I was a young child.
 
Here's the thing that you and other people seem to forget ...

This is a public forum.

Where the public can respond.

I am entitled to respond however many times I wish for as long as the thread is open.

Just because it is not what you do not want to hear, does not mean I cannot say it.

You're the one getting hostile and defensive, throwing around vulgarities and such.

Maybe if you took a step back for a moment you would realize you are not ready to be breeding these animals. You were not even capable of looking at your boas and seeing they are not full Hogs. This is not an insult, it is an observation of someone who clearly needs to spend more time doing research on boas and on breeding boas.

Very few people make a full business from this. It is a hobby to many of them. It is a hobby to me.

Why breed boas you do not intend to sell the offspring of? You do realize many, many boas die every year from complications due to breeding, correct? Why risk killing off animals that could be nice, comfortable pets just to make "pretty boas" for yourself? You said that breeding them is better than them sitting in tubs all day and I fail to see the logic in that (not that boas of that size should be in tubs unless they are Freedom Breeders or ARS. Those boas will be perfectly happy and content in life to just live without breeding.

Every way you are trying to rationalize it is really not right.
 
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