first time Hogg Island Boa Breeder

[PrismaSandBoaMorphs]

You are changing my words.
After I'm done cooking I'll give you a decent response.

 

[Dennis Hultman]

Sorry you don't like the fact that I'm going to knowingly breed a crossbreed.
Ever heart of crossing two purebreed dogs to make something amazing?
Its not like I'm sending a rock python gene around. Ffs.

Oh my god. How many times do I have to say this; "I am not breeding to sell them, I am breeding to make pretty snakes with the ones I currently have."

Look, I know I don't know you but just look at your previous posts

Say they were hogs mixed with some red tail morph, would they still be worthless? How can I at the very least make my money back?

Seems like your primary interest was getting your funds back. Isn't that what you stated?

Then,

If I wanted to breed them, do you have any suggestions?
Should I breed the pair together to chance getting more that look like hogs? Or should I breed them both with other BCI to make something?
Either way I want babies, which would be the best route to go with these two snakes?

Also, who knows how their babies will turn out, might have some that look closer to original hogs, no?

Seems to me with the previous post and these you were trying to see how you were going to make them look more like hogs to get your funds back. That's just how the posts come across.

Regardless, there are several types of breeders. Those that work with locales, morphs or both. I would say both care about what they are doing.
Using your earlier analogy of dog breeders, they are the same as reputable dog breeders. Then you have those that will put anything together to make a buck. Doesn't matter the quality. Those are the same types of people you find in all animal propagation. They get over their head. You see them on the news all the time. They are called backyard breeders. Selling every mutt they can put together to make a buck.

Bottom-line is, sure you can breed them. Do what you like they are your snakes. Although I should discourage it like everyone else but the truth is you can sell them for low quality pets, pet shops or wholesale the whole lot out. It's not as hard as your being told but that doesn't make it right. The truth is their likelihood of having a good quality of life and care is a whole lot less when they are cheap disposable pets.

The fact is if you do breed them, Most of us here know your not going to be sitting on a large litter of boas their entire life. Most here aren't that stupid. Many of us have hundreds of snakes or good quality projects. Keeping a litter for no purpose isn't going to happen. You're going to sell them or get rid of them eventually and I think most just want to make sure they end in a good place and are labeled correctly.


Good luck and just be honest. Nobody is just going to sit on a large litter, FOREVER. That's nonsense. You are going to try and figure away to

at the very least make my money back?

 

[Dennis Hultman]

I guess the main point I was trying to make is I could care less what you breed. It's your business as long as you are honest.

What strikes me most is that you asked about getting the babies to look more like something they aren't with in emphases on getting your funds back. That's just how I read it. Makes one wonder how they (babies) will be marketed.

Adiós.........

 

[PrismaSandBoaMorphs]

I know they are not hogs now.
Regardless they have the some hog genes which are used for enhancing other morphs.
I was just simply trying to find a way to make a pretty and colorful snake with what I do already have. I'll always be honest. No need to lie for a quick buck. I have a stable job, not like I was ever doing this for the money.
Its a hobby of mine and I want to add to what I do have to see what comes out.
Not many people stick with hybrids, and honestly, I want to see what will happen after 5 or 6 years of keeping these two.

 

[PrismaSandBoaMorphs]

The way some people act is as follows;
"It's not a pure hog burn it before it dampens the already weak bloodlines we have"

 

[ShadowAceD]

No one said destroy the animals, so nice try.

It's from marketing perspective and the knowledge of saturation in said market.

You're literally wanting to breed crosses "just to see what happens".

A lot of people take issue with that. If you cannot handle it, do not throw it up on a public forum for all to see.

 

[PrismaSandBoaMorphs]

You forget I'm not the one who crossed them with any hopes of making some freak animal.
I was misinformed when I murchased them.
I do however think it would be cool to keep this beautiful snake that I now have going.
They have amazing colors and if I were to add in another gene that were an enhancing gene, who knows how they will end up.
Maybe down the road I'll have an animal that is gorgeous and no one has even seen one like it.

I breed birds for an example. I bred fantail pigeons to doves, and worked for 8 years on the project. I now have doves that look like tiny white peacocks that are totally healthy to a cross in that specific animal.

I take care of all my animals.
Also, for the record, never said anyone actually said that. Was saying the way they were talking, they might as well have.

 

[ShadowAceD]

Like I said, whatever you want to do.

Don't expect a lot of "atta' boys" and "go for it, yeah!" from people.

 

[PrismaSandBoaMorphs]

Well, thanks for your input.

Now the ONLY question there is left to answer in this blog is "What else could be added to the gene pool as far as other morphs go to make for a gorgeous looking snake?"

 

[PrismaSandBoaMorphs]

Forum* not blog* my bad.

 

[PrismaSandBoaMorphs]

Would breed the female shown at the begining of this post.
With what morph of male I'm not sure.

 

[Fangthane]

"What else could be added to the gene pool as far as other morphs go to make for a gorgeous looking snake?"

Look up a member here that goes by the user name of ShadowConstrictor. You could partner up with him in trying to produce the elusive "Boathon" hybrid.

If you're determined to breed them in the hopes of making pretty snakes, Google pics of various boas until you find traits you like, then have at it. When mixing and matching genetics, trial and error will likely be your most reliable source of information. Just represent the offspring honestly, if/when you sell them. You're not likely to get many responses that deviate very far from what you've already received. May be time to leave well enough alone.

 

[PrismaSandBoaMorphs]

Thanks.
Like I said just looking to make something beautiful.
I will take your advice by looking through morphs that I like.

 

[Metachrosis]

If you think a white flag raising is rude you aint seen much guy.
You have been very clearly told many times in this thread,
YOU DO NOT HAVE,your insisting on painting a turd gold and picking it up from the clean end and its called being delusional.(look it up)

I have legit Hog Islands here as well as some other locale specific Central Americans,I know what Im looking at most times,with 6 months experience
Im getting pretty good at it.
What you have are Central American mutts with visual traits similar to Hog Island BCI,again see above reference to the gold turd.

You want pretty colored CA boa ? you must have specific genetics
to specifically mix for reasonable expected results (1+1=2 simple)

This a freak high color Hog female born here,she is pretty but not what I prefer nor suggest as a true form representation of the locale

@Meta, gathering other helpful info to make the best out of what I do have. Can't blame a man for that.
You get delt a card, and it's up to the holder how they play it. I'm just asking others to give me ideas of what to breed them with to make more pretts boas. Hhmoore has been a great help throughout this whole post.
If more people would do as HH is, and actually give info on what I can breed what I am now stuck with to make more pretty boas.
Such as what can I add to them to have any more beautiful offspring.

Telling me to wave my white flag is just another way of being rude.

 

[PrismaSandBoaMorphs]

My female "halfbreed" looks a lot like that snake you just posted.

 

[JCCS]

My female "halfbreed" looks a lot like that snake you just posted.

You saying that demonstrates your complete lack of knowledge and experience in this area. In specifics to Hog Islands, Tommy's animal looks nothing like yours. As he said, his animal isn't a true representation of the wild populations there, but it is very obviously much more adherent to the look of a Hog Island than your animals.

 

[Durante]

Wow, this thread grew fast...

I thought I seen you say were looking to breed to beautiful boa's.
Are you sure you didn't mean you want to breed for less common, more expensive animals? If it's actually just a hobby like you say, there's a lot you can do in this hobby besides breeding. The hobby always changes & there's always something new to learn, usually hobbyist invest time before they invest money. I'm not going to keep beating the horse here but did want to share a few things with you to think about, take it or leave it.

I didn't think the boa's you posted were ugly at all. When I was younger a guy "sold" (practically gave) me a large normal boa, full of scars, that no one liked from the back of his pet store. It was never cared for correctly & I'm sure the only reason I got it was because he was tired of feeding & dealing with a snake no one wanted. I had it for years & just to keep the story short & sweet I dont anymore but I'd pay more then what I paid for any of my current boas to have that exact boa back now. I'm not sure that makes sense to you or anyone else.

The story is not my way of condoning you breeding these snakes because I dont. I guess what I'm saying is if you focused & put as much effort into them 2 snakes as your unrealistic plans, you might actually find they are worth more then any litter they could ever produced, no matter what you pair them with.

 

[Muscle Morph Constrictors]

I haven't even seen all of the responses to this thread, but I'm sure I'm in line with everyone else by saying...

1) They are not pure hogs
2) As far as I can see even using the term "hog cross" is a stretch
3) "What are they worth?" Market value for a common boa at BEST
4) "Dire need of help" Really? Why are you in such a "dire need" to breed
a pair of less than decent looking boas? The hobby doesn't need any more
$35-$55 boas (being sold/misrepresented as Hog Island Boas)

I'm sorry, but if this thread was called "Look at my new Craigslist Rescues" it would have made more sense...


Just my $.02

 

[Metachrosis]

Heres you a real 50/50 Sears Hog Island
Half Rentfro and half Russo,she's an 02 seven foot 1.5lb rabbit eater

 

[JCCS]

Now that's a Hog girl!