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I currently have three boas
one male lipstick sunglow motley paradox
one female liptick sunglow
and one female sunglow paradox

i plan on breeding them when they are old enough.
and i will be 100% ready to hold on to all 30+ boas for a year if need be
but im just curious what average turn around time on a sunglow litter is. from your experiences.

i know price is going to be a big part of the determination of that. my prices will deff be fair in that days market.

like if today id probly sell the sunglows for 350-400 the lipsticks for 450-500 and the motley sunglows for 900-1000.

oh and of course i would raise them to like 50 days before any shipping.
 
What do you mean turn around? Profit?

Calculated properly, it takes a long time to see profit in boa breeding, and sometimes all you do is break even.

Food, water, electricity, bedding, caging ... throw that on the cost of the boa along with no guarantee putting a male and female together producing anything (a female could ovulate, give you all the signs and still, nothing happens) and you have a slim margin to produce profit in the first few breedings.

Again, if ever at all.
 
ShadowAceD said:
What do you mean turn around? Profit?

Calculated properly, it takes a long time to see profit in boa breeding, and sometimes all you do is break even.

Food, water, electricity, bedding, caging ... throw that on the cost of the boa along with no guarantee putting a male and female together producing anything (a female could ovulate, give you all the signs and still, nothing happens) and you have a slim margin to produce profit in the first few breedings.

Again, if ever at all.
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turn around time = i more meant how long does it take to sell the litter .
not worried bout profit. with the money ive spent as long as the snakes are healthy ill be able to make a profit.
only have about 2000$ in
going off the assumption of at least 10 live babies in the litter i think ill make a profit. esp if i get some motley sunglows ( which i will ) or prove out this paradox ( i doubt it )

with that said. im doing this out of a love for snakes. i dont have bills that im expecting to pay with this money. probly just going to put the profits back into the snakes untill i have a collection producing 2-3 litters a year.
 
Hi Jake.
I breed sunglows and have made a profit every year i have produced. Sunglows sell quickly.
I have not had to hold any sunglows because i couldnt sell,although i do half the litters at wholesale and they go instantly without the need to feed and shed.
I also put all the money back into buying many boa's this summer/fall.

Its cool to not worry about a profit and thats why i do ok. I dont do because i need the money. I love boa's and its something to wake up one day and look at the boa's and see a colorful litter just born. LOVE IT>. What a feeling that is.

With the boa's you have,you will do well and should profit.Providing they do have a litter.
Not sure why Diem thinks it takes so long to profit on 3 lipsticks. Thats not a big investment and will give you some killer babies that should sell very easily for a profit.

Good luck and hope they all turn out well. I'll be keeping an eye out to see what you produce. Maybe i can pick up another lipstick sunglow from you some day.
 
Turn around time varies. The quality of your animals, the price they are at and your reputation have big impact in how quickly you can sell off babies. Also, how you choose to market your animals and yourself.

Additionally, you are correct in thinking paradox is not a genetic guarantee, Mike Panichi pretty much figured that out. Animals with paradox markings are more likely to have more offspring with it but you will not always get those types of animals.

The other thing to consider, that I am not sure anyone told you, is that paradox animals seem to act like hets. rather than visuals when bred. Even though they primarily appear to be albino.

Paradox animals do live up to their name sake.
 
The buyer always determines "worth",market figures are just that
If you realistically produce animals worthy of higher end pricing then obviously
cutting your projected profit margin offers the fastest turn around.
There are plenty of places selling hamburgers yet only one McDonalds . . . . . . .
 
But billions eat at McDonalds. Not everyone is looking to be king.
And he is gonna be offering Lipsticks and they sell well !!
 
ShadowAceD said:
The other thing to consider, that I am not sure anyone told you, is that paradox animals seem to act like hets. rather than visuals when bred. Even though they primarily appear to be albino.
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Diem, are you saying if you have an paradox albino & breed it with another albino that you will probably have some het albino rather then all albino babies?
 
Durante said:
Diem, are you saying if you have an paradox albino & breed it with another albino that you will probably have some het albino rather then all albino babies?
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This is what it looks like is going on, yes.

If you bred a Paradox Albino to a normal, the odds are that the babies would be 50% het. rather than full hets.

The belief about Paradox animals, at current, according to Dr. Booth is they are a form of genetic chimeras.

Does this apply to animals with a minor amount of speckling? I am not sure (and I do not think so), but what I do know is the animals that exhibit being extreme Paradox animals have been shown to be heterozygous rather than homozygous for albinism.

I have a feeling that if the "Freak" boa had ever been successfully bred, she would have shown to be het. for multiple genes rather than visual.
 
wow, that's really interesting. I looked up info on paradox's a few times, I cant believe I didn't read or have that sink in before. It's crazy to how a paradox's value usually is higher then a typical albino even though the babies it could produce may be less desirable. Thanks for the heads up!

-Tried to give Karma but it said I needed to spread it around. I either hit the button twice or you should be charging me for all the lessons I'm from you :)
 
Durante said:
wow, that's really interesting. I looked up info on paradox's a few times, I cant believe I didn't read or have that sink in before. It's crazy to how a paradox's value usually is higher then a typical albino even though the babies it could produce may be less desirable. Thanks for the heads up!

-Tried to give Karma but it said I needed to spread it around. I either hit the button twice or you should be charging me for all the lessons I'm from you :)
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Lol on the karma.

The babies are not necessarily less desirable, you just need to know how to work with the genetics.

Paradox animals will always have the "sweet eye candy" factor to them, so a higher price is not unreasonable, really. You would not sell a really unique looking "normal" for a "normal" price, you know what I mean?

I'd pay extra for a Paradox if I thought it was worth it. But it has to be a true Paradox, not an animal with just a few speckles.
 
i had never heard about that paradox het anomaly
almost worries me a bit. but no turning back now.


something else i wanted to add to the convo.
the two paradox that i have are only about a year old with the other female being a year and a half. so i still have 2 years most likely before i can breed.

what im getting at is, are sunglows something that you see might fade in desire considerably over the next 2 years? lipstick sunglows and motley sunglows specifically.
 
Since your are doing the Paradox X Visuals, you do not need to be worried. He should still produced visuals and all offspring (because of the mother) will be full hets. If you were breeding him to other hets. or non-hets. you would need to keep it in mind more.

I was just informing you so you know this is what it appears is going on with these animals.

Either way, albinos will always sell.

Expensive or not.

What the market will be for them in two years? I cannot say.
 
You can't just say "Lipstick" sunglows like that. Not all lipstick sunglows are created equal. In fact, since they were originally introduced by Tom Burke and released into the public, their quality has dropped quite significantly. I don't think that just because an animal is from that bloodline means that they should be worth any more than a similar looking albino from no specified lineage.

An animal's value should be judged based on it's appearance. The fact that it is a lipstick would hopefully denote that it is more colorful and has better contrast than most sunglows/albinos, but it doesn't mean that it is necessarily the case. I saw a first generation double het for sunglow at the last Columbia show in SC and was reminded just how great that line used to be. The only person making lipstick animals on that level at this point is Tom Burke. Pretty much everyone else just decided to put their animals on whatever they had just to make more Lipstick sunglows.

I guess what I'm telling you is that I have no idea what your lipstick sunglows are going to be worth because they haven't been born yet. A value can't be accurately determined on a selectively bred animal before it is born. Especially without knowing what the parents look like. Selective breeding can make a world of difference when it comes to price. I bet you could get 1k for a seriously badass sunglow at this point. But if you're going to charge that much, it'd better damned well be nice.

Chris
 
I can wholesale litters locally here within 2 days of dropping. Expect about 1/4 of the retail value if you sell like this. I always wholesale any common appearing boas I produce.
 
Yes the cost may change but I think there will always be a desire in general for a snake no matter what the morph as long as it's a quality snake from a respected breeder. It also my belief that McDonald hash browns will also remain just as desirable as the sausage egg McMuffin... but sorry Rich, the sausage egg biscuit will remain in a class by itself :)
 
Metachrosis said:
Pretty sums up the majority of the boa market
No such thing as a real burger at Micky-D's
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As much as I agree & didn't want to be the jerk who post another burger reference, I cant resist. There ares still a few breeders out there that are still reliable in the same way as good old Dave Thomas, in the sense they dont cut corners :)
 
Right, but as Chris mentioned above
the further away from originality the greater the dilution
and brighter the labeling becomes.

There's no telling how many packages a quarter pounder has seen
yet remains the same lame burger.
 
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