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Info "Bigrob" robert walmsley **Not following thru**

That snake doesnt look dead to me. Her tounge appears to be in mid flick and it looks like she's trying to roll back on her stomache. I'd wait to see the vet report confirming the death before believing she's actually dead.
He sent me pics of a dead albino on her back but I cannot tell if it is my snake from this view he said he has no other pics as he left the body with the vet.

I agree that a vet report is crucial. And with some question of the snake's current condition whether it is dead or alive, I'd actually call the vet to confirm the vet report to make sure the vet originated it.

Rob is aware of the thread. I contacted him and advised him of it and also advised him to respond to it or at the least responf to Vic which he did. He said he would complete his end of the deal so give it a break and give him a chance to do that. Just saying drama is not my forte.

Rob is already late in providing the paperwork, which he promised at the show. And now there are questions surrounding his allegation that the snake died, because people are questioning the picture, and no vet report has been posted.
In addition, he is choosing not to come here and post.
If you were able to contact him, it sounds as if he could have had the opportunity to have the vet report scanned and sent to you, and it could have already been posted. In fact, a copy of the genetics papers could have been posted.
As of now, even if the genetics papers are provided, the question of the snake's condition needs to be cleared up.

With today's technology a day is enough time to transmit the information IF Rob had it. You said he is aware of the thread, and now, he has had his day. Further delay increases the chance that people will wonder whether he has the paperwork at all, and will wonder about the snake's condition.

They might also start wondering how they might fare if they ever chose to enter a transaction with him.
 
Just so I stay fair I will post the other pics he sent of her. I checked the email on my phone and it only showed the previous picture 3 times but he did send 3 pictures. I would definitely say she is dead but all 3 pictures are belly shots no overhead shots so to be honest I still cannot tell if it is the female I sent him. These pics were definitely taken at someone's home. Just wanted to share all the info since he is not.
 

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Just so I stay fair I will post the other pics he sent of her. I checked the email on my phone and it only showed the previous picture 3 times but he did send 3 pictures. I would definitely say she is dead but all 3 pictures are belly shots no overhead shots so to be honest I still cannot tell if it is the female I sent him. These pics were definitely taken at someone's home. Just wanted to share all the info since he is not.

...are these supposed to be pictures of her dead? If so she definetly doesnt look dead to me!
 
...are these supposed to be pictures of her dead? If so she definetly doesnt look dead to me!

I would have to agree. I mean if she were dead her neck should not be curled into an S like that while hanging, she should be loose and drooping straight down. The muscles from nose to tail also still seem to be tensed up and smooth, not soft and squishy or hard as a rock as if she were in rigor.

Besides the fact that somehow of all the pictures he took were belly only which not only makes it even harder to see if the snake truly is dead but also impossible to even tell if it's the same snake you sold him. Who doesn't think to take pictures from at least a couple different angles, not just the same one 3+ times, especially when it comes to claims of death with an animal.
 
Here is a shit of her when I had her. Not days before as I didn't take recent pics. The only thing I can think is I was promised first pick from each of her first 2 clutches with this male as part of the deal. I guess I will not be getting these and they were going to be striped sun glows.
 

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I almost questioned why the dead animal was of revelance here, but now you mention you were promised babies from his pairing. I thought it odd he would "be okay" with it dying. but, if he stood to gain more by you no longer being under the impression that you had babies on the way, that's a little more telling.

All speculation of course.
 
definitely hard to tell if that's the same animal. The left flank seems pretty well exposed in his pictures. Do you have a good picture of her left side?
 
Not to go football on it, but I don't have enough evidence personally to say it isn't the same animal. That, however, is on Robert because he only took belly pics. The s'd up neck says alive to me however.
 
I also believe the snake in the pictures is not dead. Even if he tried saying it was rigamortis keepin the s shape on the neck, ten why would the rest of the body look like such a big L shape, which would be normal for holding a snake that is very well alive.

Also I noticed he is wearing gloves in this picture. Not sure why he would need gloves to hold a dead snakes. I mean if you want to avoid any so called "germs" atleast use latex gloves.

Was the snake a bit feisty? Maybe that would show he used gloves for protecting to avoid a direct bite. If that is the case the snake would be alive in the pictures which is why he is wearing those gloves.

Just my thoughts.
 
and again, the issue of the snake's alleged death is really moot here. Even if we accept on faith that everything Rob says is true, it still doesn't excuse any of his actions (lack of communication, withholding paperwork) because the animal died WELL after any point where Vic could be blamed, and Rob made no attempt whatsoever to bring vic into the loop on the discussion. Nobody guarantees health for 11 days, and in addition, I am not aware of any ailment that can affect snakes that could be completely undetectable at the time of purchase, not interfere with a copulation that Rob himself claims occurred, and then kill the animal within 11 days. Even if the snake DID die (which I am still not convinced occurred anyway), you would be hard pressed to prove it was Vic's responsibility.
 
and again, the issue of the snake's alleged death is really moot here. Even if we accept on faith that everything Rob says is true, it still doesn't excuse any of his actions (lack of communication, withholding paperwork) because the animal died WELL after any point where Vic could be blamed, and Rob made no attempt whatsoever to bring vic into the loop on the discussion. Nobody guarantees health for 11 days, and in addition, I am not aware of any ailment that can affect snakes that could be completely undetectable at the time of purchase, not interfere with a copulation that Rob himself claims occurred, and then kill the animal within 11 days. Even if the snake DID die (which I am still not convinced occurred anyway), you would be hard pressed to prove it was Vic's responsibility.

I questioned why discuss it either, but if Vic was to get pick of the litter from Robert as part of the trade agreement (which hasn't been stated until recent posts) then the animal dying but not being dead leaves Robert with a full clutch to do as he pleases.
 
i guess at this point I will not be selling the animals I got from him. I will have to prove them out myself. Anyone have a cheap 100% het pied female (WITH PAPERWORK). I would not be opposed to buying a yearling but something with some size so I am not waiting years to prove it out or is anyone interested in a breeder loan. The only problem with that is if he does not prove out we will not make a killing. I would also not be opposed to buying a low white pied female. Really wasn't looking to start another project but Spieds are quite awesome! I texted him several times last night and again today. Again I am not getting any response. I would say at this point I know how I feel about this kid! No paperwork and Im not getting the babies I had hoped for. At least the beaded is doing great (I have a feeling that is only a result of the breeder THANKS JOE!) Anyway at this point I don't know what else can be done. He told me someone by the name of Travis Diviny produced this animal but I cannot find anyone with that name who is a vender at that show. Thanks all for your help, at this point I don't feel I need to keep coming back here. He has proved himself to what he is. If I get the paperwork I will let you guys know. At this point I can say only one thing. BIGROB = BAD GUY.
 
Just to finish up the discussion on the babies here is the only text that I have regarding the deal with the two babies. We firmed the details up over the phone. In this text u see me stating no interest in good which is in reference to a female ball I got from him who was extremely under weight. Here he also says who he said produced the spider her pied.
Thanks
Vic
 

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i guess at this point I will not be selling the animals I got from him. I will have to prove them out myself. Anyone have a cheap 100% het pied female (WITH PAPERWORK). I would not be opposed to buying a yearling but something with some size so I am not waiting years to prove it out or is anyone interested in a breeder loan. The only problem with that is if he does not prove out we will not make a killing. I would also not be opposed to buying a low white pied female. Really wasn't looking to start another project but Spieds are quite awesome! I texted him several times last night and again today. Again I am not getting any response. I would say at this point I know how I feel about this kid! No paperwork and Im not getting the babies I had hoped for. At least the beaded is doing great (I have a feeling that is only a result of the breeder THANKS JOE!) Anyway at this point I don't know what else can be done. He told me someone by the name of Travis Diviny produced this animal but I cannot find anyone with that name who is a vender at that show. Thanks all for your help, at this point I don't feel I need to keep coming back here. He has proved himself to what he is. If I get the paperwork I will let you guys know. At this point I can say only one thing. BIGROB = BAD GUY.


At this point you're just protecting the community with this thread, if you don't get your paperwork. Which is a noble deed in and of itself.
 
as far as the snake being dead, it's hard to say from those photos with certainty. I've seen them die in weird positions and stay partially 'coiled' like the snake's neck is in the photos.

Anyone have a cheap 100% het pied female

Warning: take it to the classifieds, selling or looking for animals is not allowed on the BOI
 
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