Info Thomas Dorn - aeterrabyte

[Xaila]

Hate to break it to you but forums like this are standard in many, many hobbies and communities. Welcome to selling things on the internet. You had many opportunities to save face here and just kept digging. Do you really think someone will want to buy anything off of someone with such an arrogant, can-do-no-wrong attitude even if this hadn't happened? I'm blown away by the complete unwillingness to admit ANY wrongness on tour part even when people quote back the very posts you made here.

Just do right by this poor animal and so some serious introspection before you think of trying to breed snakes. Hell I'd take Yellow off of your hands if I could and take her to my exotics vet.

 

[laterob]

Just noticed a new message on my visitor page. Thanks for the kind words, Thomas!

 

[Micha]

Will your snakes come with the feeding tube attached?

 

[Dennis Hultman]

Originally Posted by aeterrabyte View Post

If you don't arrange a proper time with me she is going back asap.

If you don't receive it and she dies then that is something you will have to live with.

I am not responsible for what happens after that. If you leave her to die in the hub or what not.

The people that are over interested in this forum need to move on.

That's just how contractual agreements work.

Sorry if this is new to you. But you got to learn sometime or other.

That's why it's his responsibility to be there to accept the package, by refusing to provide me with a time to send. He as actually waived any rights he may have to a live arrival.

All these hearsay comments are making it worse for Rob. You should just really mind your own business.

Once that happens that will be included in my case against this site to have my name and address removed.

I'm not going to begin to wager which way the credit card company comes down on this or Paypal in the end.

There are a few things that I will. First, this insignificance of this forum you keep talking about and the continual threats of suing the site.

The forum members here belong to just about every reptile site out there as well. The forum members that participate here are also business owners, reptile show sponsors, promoters, venders, sellers and buyers.

You may think that your participation here doesn't matter but what I can guarantee is that your reputation and the way you handle this situation will follow you regardless.

Heck, I have already seen two people that run shows in Texas viewing this thread. I wonder if they are going to want someone of your caliber selling at their shows?

You may think it's cute that your spouting off terms like "abandoned property"
and "he waived his rights to live arrive" "how contractual agreements work"

How do you plan on shipping animals from your website? It's not going to be certified FedEx or using a online reptile shipping company. You stated plainly here on this thread that you are going to ship a animal without a guarantee time, address and could careless if it dies in the hub.

Your credit card company may say that's perfectly fine but I doubt FedEx and other online reptile shipping companies are going to have you as a customer. Sending animals without confirmation to be picked up, address or time is unacceptable. Stating you would care less if the animal dies in the hub I can guarantee you will regret. I doubt the ASPCA in Austin will find it acceptable either.

Don't need hearsay or anything else but your own words.

Hmm, I'm actually concerned about all your animals.

So you just continue your threats of a frivolous lawsuit against this site.

Individuals are responsible here for their individual posts not the site.

Let me give you a individual post to concentrate on.

Thomas Dorn is doing business on this site as "aeterrabyte" He is using the address

404 e 30st
unit302
austin, tx 78705

to conduct his business here. His name and address phone number are also connected to his facebook account and website.

My personal opinion is his husbandry needs improvement and his statements about providing less heat, "that snakes only really need heat in the morning" and that they "become best buddies" when he puts multiple snakes in a single tub together to save on space or provide less heat (whatever his point was) is concerning. Also that he finds it acceptable to ship a snake without a confirmed time, address or guarantee to pick-up.

That he publicly stated that it was OK to do so because his credit card company told him so. That if it dies "Oh well, it's not his fault".

I find it laughable that he typed all this, provided his address and information freely to conduct business, states on his website that he has a breeding facility and admits that he would send in animal to its death without a confirmed pick-up. The try to cover it all up with an attempt at a lawsuit to get his own words removed.

Again, My personal opinion is I wouldn't want to do business with such a person.

 

[Yogi Bear]

Will your snakes come with the feeding tube attached?

Your comment was GREAT!!!! Thanks for bringing layghter to my morning!!!

 

[Mistyck]

I'm not going to begin to wager which way the credit card company comes down on this or Paypal in the end.

There are a few things that I will. First, this insignificance of this forum you keep talking about and the continual threats of suing the site.

The forum members here belong to just about every reptile site out there as well. The forum members that participate here are also business owners, reptile show sponsors, promoters, venders, sellers and buyers.

You may think that your participation here doesn't matter but what I can guarantee is that your reputation and the way you handle this situation will follow you regardless.

Heck, I have already seen two people that run shows in Texas viewing this thread. I wonder if they are going to want someone of your caliber selling at their shows?

You may think it's cute that your spouting off terms like "abandoned property"
and "he waived his rights to live arrive" "how contractual agreements work"

How do you plan on shipping animals from your website? It's not going to be certified FedEx or using a online reptile shipping company. You stated plainly here on this thread that you are going to ship a animal without a guarantee time, address and could careless if it dies in the hub.

Your credit card company may say that's perfectly fine but I doubt FedEx and other online reptile shipping companies are going to have you as a customer. Sending animals without confirmation to be picked up, address or time is unacceptable. Stating you would care less if the animal dies in the hub I can guarantee you will regret. I doubt the ASPCA in Austin will find it acceptable either.

Don't need hearsay or anything else but your own words.

Hmm, I'm actually concerned about all your animals.

So you just continue your threats of a frivolous lawsuit against this site.

Individuals are responsible here for their individual posts not the site.

Let me give you a individual post to concentrate on.

Thomas Dorn is doing business on this site as "aeterrabyte" He is using the address

404 e 30st
unit302
austin, tx 78705

to conduct his business here. His name and address phone number are also connected to his facebook account and website.

My personal opinion is his husbandry needs improvement and his statements about providing less heat, "that snakes only really need heat in the morning" and that they "become best buddies" when he puts multiple snakes in a single tub together to save on space or provide less heat (whatever his point was) is concerning. Also that he finds it acceptable to ship a snake without a confirmed time, address or guarantee to pick-up.

That he publicly stated that it was OK to do so because his credit card company told him so. That if it dies "Oh well, it's not his fault".

I find it laughable that he typed all this, provided his address and information freely to conduct business, states on his website that he has a breeding facility and admits that he would send in animal to its death without a confirmed pick-up. The try to cover it all up with an attempt at a lawsuit to get his own words removed.

Again, My personal opinion is I wouldn't want to do business with such a person.

Very good post Dennis!

 

[aeterrabyte]

Business is better than ever people!

Thanks for the free promotion.

Keep me high in the google world.

Keep your eyes open for the positive reviews.

You 5 people who are obsessed with talking about others I don't need or want your business.

Rob paypal me the 60 bucks you owe me, then you will get your snake back, unless the credit card makes me give it back.

 

[Lucille]

Business is better than ever people!
.

You seem to have a penchant for magical thinking. Your statement above must have come from an esoteric fantasy world.

http://www.esotericonline.net/profile/ThomasDorn

 

[laterob]

Thomas, please see posts 876 and 878.

Thank you.

 

[Yogi Bear]

Business is better than ever people!

Thanks for the free promotion.

Keep me high in the google world.

Keep your eyes open for the positive reviews.

You 5 people who are obsessed with talking about others I don't need or want your business.

Rob paypal me the 60 bucks you owe me, then you will get your snake back, unless the credit card makes me give it back.

Wow!! You, sir, are truly a piece of work.

What is up with Yellow now? I hope that she is being taken care of regardless of what has transpired in this thread. She is the one suffering in all of this mess. At the very least, she deserves to be humanely treated and cared for. I could never afford her, but would be willing to care for her if no one else wants to look out for her well-being.

To all parties involved: Please think of Yellow and do the right thing by her!! She didn't ask to be put in this horrible mess!! Poor baby!!

 

[the_yellow_pony]

You seem to have a penchant for magical thinking. Your statement above must have come from an esoteric fantasy world.

http://www.esotericonline.net/profile/ThomasDorn

It's all of those synthetic magic mushrooms from page 40 something?

 

[Xaila]

Business is better than ever people!

Thanks for the free promotion.

Keep me high in the google world.

Keep your eyes open for the positive reviews.

You 5 people who are obsessed with talking about others I don't need or want your business.

Rob paypal me the 60 bucks you owe me, then you will get your snake back, unless the credit card makes me give it back.

I thought you weren't going to have hatchlings for another year?

5 people? Just keep telling yourself that, buddy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance

 

[Dennis Hultman]

For two weeks in your care the snake was doing great from the time it arrived, it was feeding and you saw no indications of illness. This passed Saturday the snake ate fine and I would assume looked fine going off what you have said. The following day the snake is not doing well, looked dehydrated so you administered fluids by inserting an airline tube in its mouth and far enough to passed it's glottis. How was the water forced through the airline tube as some type of pressure was needed to move the water? I hope you will answer these questions.

Also I find it extremely hard to believe that the day before the snake looked really dehydrated which caused you to force tube feed it water, that it looked fine and ate a meal no problem. If your setup wasn't the cause of this predicament, please tell me how it went from eating and healthy to looking so bad you decided to tube feed it water? If your conditions weren't the issue than how could it have lost so much fluid in one day. You do know that prey not only is a food source but is also a source of water. Since the snake had eaten the day before there was no need to shove a tube down its throat to add a couple drops of water. Anyway this has been addressed over and over again and it's very infuriating that you are unable to see the error in your ways! I also find it rather puzzling that if the snake was so dehydrated why in the world did your Vet that is so knowledgeable not administer fluids that contained saline and glucose, or lactated ringers solution subcutaneously.

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Originally Posted by aeterrabyte View Post
Business is better than ever people!

Thanks for the free promotion.

what business?

Since you will not bother discussing your husbandry, here's a few quotes for your future customers.

She was without heat for a day or so while i was getting her set up.

In nature the snakes get most of there heat in the morning time so that is primarily when they need it as well.

If I was you I would send the 300 dollar rack back and just do as I say. Turn the heat up in your house

I also keep some young normal females together and they seem to be best buddies that is always an option.

"Leave them without heat" "just give them heat in the morning" "send the rack back and just turn up the heat in the house"

"just cram a few snakes together and they will be best buds"

More like they are jockeying for heat!

 

[Dennis Hultman]

More like they are jockeying for heat!

More like they are jockeying for position (overheated or lack of).

 

[lilnightmare]

Im not sure how things work over in your guys land, but due to the fact that he says he is going to abandon an animal thus being negligent and putting an animals life at risk is there not some kind of animal welfare you can get in contact with?

 

[RichsBallPythons]

Keep them coming. I am talking to the schools lawyer and we are going to get all those e mails from each professor you sent. Once that happens that will be included in my case against this site to have my name and address removed.

What do you not get, The address is PUBLIC RECORD. It can be posted without your consent all we damn well please.

Did you just close your eyes open phone book and pick out a lawyer. Cause none will ask you to come here keep spewing garbage about a public accessed record.

 

[Shadera]

This thread, as well as the one on B-P.net have made their way up to page 3 on a Google search of your name. Much like what your "care" of this snake has brought about, a lot can change in just under 3 weeks, eh, Thomas?

It shows up as #1 if you search "Thomas Dorn Reptiles".

Which brought up these. Good luck with that whole "good reputation" thing, Thomas.

http://market.kingsnake.com/userview.php?uid=191405&v=a

 

[Tenor Goddess]

Some common sense here...

Thomas, if you really blast off with the notion that you want to be a great quality breeder and provide buyers with excellent customer service, you will understand that NOT providing simple things like the following will turn way more people away than gain business:

1. Photos when requested - you WILL get potential buyers that will inquire for photos of the animals and sometimes of their caging. As a seller, you need to accommodate when a buyer requests photos, to ensure they are buying a healthy animal that is truly represented via photos.
This also goes hand in hand with your peers. We are part of a reptile community, and as keepers we are constantly sharing advice, new cage designs, etc in order to provide the best care for the animals.
Telling everyone off and telling them to basically go suck a tree when asked details on your husbandry and even simple updated photos, should be a simple request and easy for you to fulfill. Afterall, if you are up to date on husbandry and doing very well, you will want to share it, not hide it correct? The more a buyer sees, the more comfortable they will get knowing the animals are properly cared for.

2. Answers to questions (that do not need to be repeated 50 times to you in order to get a generic response from you about how "I've already answered that")
If someone asks a simple question regarding an animal's health, coloration, feeding schedule, how they are presently housed, feeding frequency, quarantine, etc...it is your duty as a seller to provide them. Again, even here, if you are participating in a community and public board like this, and you expect to have your side looked at fairly and another party's before someone comes to a conclusion...not providing said details ONLY hurts you. With any public dealings where you are trying to present your case to your fellow peers, just jumping off the gun and telling them you don't need to prove anything and remark like you don't really care if an animal makes it back, etc is a huge red flag. First and foremost, the health and well-being of your animals, should be #1 on your list.
I prefer to read these threads when both parties have signed on, presented their sides and then ask questions to further my decision...but when one party refuses to answer questions about their own husbandry because they believe they are absolutely perfect (which any keeper knows, there is ALWAYS room to grow and learn) and spouting off internet-read snippets as hard facts...it does not lend to your case. Instead, it paints you in a very, very bad light.

3. Realizing that we all are constantly staying on top of new research in order to provide our animals with the best husbandry possible.

Yup, said it up top. This is a lifelong pursuit. Research and husbandry changes CONSTANTLY. If you stay stuck in the notion that there is only one way to do something and it's your way or the highway, you will get nowhere and animals will suffer.
Pride seems to be a huge factor here and I think you need to take a look at that, realize it and start offering up what a great keeper and breeder will provide, rather than just merely trying to get the last say.

Amanda Rose

 

[laterob]

Thomas,

I'll be back tonight if you'd like to try to have a conversation. I look forward to hearing from you.

 

[chadharper]

Since Thomas is advertising his snakes for sale as a business, I'd urge everyone to check him out, write him a letter if you have any questions about his snakes he has for sale. You could always mail the letter to him or email.

404 e 30st
austin, tx 78705

and his email is:

[email protected]

Please do your research before you purchase any animals.