Has anyone ever heard of Ariel Cudia?

[crotalusadamanteus]

Keep it on topic. I'm tired of all the notices just to come and find some BS comment that has nothing to do with the topic. Use the PM system.

 

[312Herps]

Sometimes when you give people the benefit of the doubt and try to help people it just turns around to bite you in the and now I'm learning this ..
With that being said it appears Ariel Cudia aka Salvador Robles aka Mr Reptile Industry Breeder Boot Camp is at it again.

A while back I purchased an adult gecko Female from LGPGecko . Upon purchasing the gecko I noticed it had a sever case of MBD which would require much more time and attention than I had to give at that time period. I told Ariel about the situation and he told me he would take the gecko in and nurse it back to health. I sold him the gecko for half of what I had paid for the gecko. After seeing Ariel at the local show weeks later I asked how the gecko was doing and Ariel had made it clear to me that the gecko had severe MBD and that he had even hatched out offspring which had wavy tails right out of the egg.
(Please keep notice of the time & dates of these screenshots)

This is a photo which Ariel had sent me a few short moment before he realized I was going to talk to LGPGecko to settle our differences when I had asked him if the hatchling from the adult female purchased was healthy or not.

Upon speaking with the female co-owner of LGPGecko , she had stated that he had indeed told her a completely different story about the purchased gecko and the offspring it produced. She had also added she was alarmed by two people that I had been badmouthing her geckos because of the transaction we had .When low and behold the two people who brought this to her attention were Lonely Lady (pseudo name) and ARIEL CUDIA .
upon bringing this to LGPGecko's attention this was their response

After Contacting Ariel and letting him know that I had indeed resolved the issue with LGPGecko , he began to back peddle while speaking to me on the phone and conjure up a story where he claims " I had told him my girlfriend left the adult female gecko outside in the cold for an hour or two and that's how the geckos tail was damaged " . Which to me made no sense because of the clear admission by LGPGecko that the gecko had tail issues upon myself purchasing the gecko . I clearly stated to Ariel that I had known of him doing bad business with several other breeders in the industry on several occasions and of how he dragged their names through the mud after being caught in similar situations in attempts to clear his name and that I couldn't believe after giving him benefit of the doubt and defending him in multiple situations, that he would do this to me. I made it clear to him that I would let everyone know what he had done.

I also have multiple text messages where his own business partner admits to knowing Ariel told myself and LGPGecko different stories and also admits that he has witnessed Ariel getting into similar situations with previous business partners, if needed. (I was not Ariel's business partner , but he was attempting to place a butter ball python with me free of charge and " would allow me to pay him back later or whenever " which is a very common thing which Ariel does to gain the trust of unsuspecting future victims)

This is when Ariel went from to to and began to pull up anything and everything he could to discredit me before I alarmed people to this situation. This is where Ariel decided to get his partner Stephanie Wasilewski involved. To take the focus of this situation and place it on something completely irrelevant .

I apologize to anyone who I offended in this thread by defending Ariel , seems I just needed to become a victim in order to realize I was being naïve.

 

[312Herps]

Sorry for the misspelling of his name on my that screenshot , until now I hadn't realized I misspelled it. Here is the corrected spelling screenshot.

 

[pei8147]

A while back I purchased an adult gecko Female from LGPGecko . Upon purchasing the gecko I noticed it had a sever case of MBD which would require much more time and attention than I had to give at that time period. I told Ariel about the situation and he told me he would take the gecko in and nurse it back to health. I sold him the gecko for half of what I had paid for the gecko. After seeing Ariel at the local show weeks later I asked how the gecko was doing and Ariel had made it clear to me that the gecko had severe MBD and that he had even hatched out offspring which had wavy tails right out of the egg.

A few red flags jump out at me in this first paragraph.

1) Usually, severe cases of MBD can be noticed with just a quick once over before a purchase.

2) If the gecko had MBD, why didn't you try and return to the seller? Instead, you sold a gecko with issues to another breeder.

3) When did said MBD gecko get paired up? You said it was a few weeks after you sold the gecko to Ariel and he reported hatching offspring out. It takes atleast 90 days for eggs to drop and then hatch. Three months isn't a few weeks.

 

[lauraleellbp]

o_0

I read that 3x and honestly can't make heads or tails of it.

Best I can make of it:

A sold B a gecko.
B thinks gecko has MBD and didn't want to fool with it, so sold it to C.
Either B or C bred the gecko (?) and some of the babies have kinked tails.

B is the one who is upset, with C, about... what??

 

[Jaybee]

I agree with Laura, I am confused by the post, sorry.

It is also difficult to make out from the thumbnail on the phone what is wrong with the gecko. Generally when I have seen cases of "severe MBD" the limbs are swollen, jaw might be puffy or broken, and/or the back is jacked up. It looks like in that picture that the tail might be a slight bit wavy, which can be a symptom of other issues too, including dehydration. If you have other/larger pictures of that gecko, it could be helpful.

Either way, if both Rick & Ariel agreed the initial female had "severe MBD" (sorry if that was not the case; it was difficult to parse out from the post), it was still bred? I don't understand why.

 

[312Herps]

1) Usually, severe cases of MBD can be noticed with just a quick once over before a purchase.

this isn't relevant.

2) If the gecko had MBD, why didn't you try and return to the seller? Instead, you sold a gecko with issues to another breeder

this isn't relevant either .

This thread isn't about me nor my practices or ethics.
If you'd like to inquire about my business transactions you could read my BOI's .

When did said MBD gecko get paired up? You said it was a few weeks after you sold the gecko to Ariel

Did you just ask me a question then answer it yourself ?
(classic troll move)


where did I say that said MBD gecko was paired up ?

3) You said it was a few weeks after you sold the gecko to Ariel and he reported hatching offspring out. It takes atleast 90 days for eggs to drop and then hatch. Three months isn't a few weeks.

The gecko laid eggs two days after I received her, next show wasn't for a week or two I imagine. Not exact on the date, but luckily we have at least 2 shows a month here so it couldn't have been more than three weeks. I also reread what I wrote and seems I somehow edited my response a bit before I posted it and excluded what should have read as

Ariel had made it clear to me that the gecko had severe MBD and was still gravid because he had her lay a pair of eggs a few weeks after having her which eventually hatched out offspring which had wavy tails right out of the egg.

Sorry for that .

 

[312Herps]

It is also difficult to make out from the thumbnail on the phone what is wrong with the gecko. Generally when I have seen cases of "severe MBD" the limbs are swollen, jaw might be puffy or broken, and/or the back is jacked up. It looks like in that picture that the tail might be a slight bit wavy, which can be a symptom of other issues too, including dehydration. If you have other/larger pictures of that gecko, it could be helpful.

I would imagine this was a more recent photo of the gecko just based on the size of it . I didn't receive this photo until March 12th 2013 11:32 AM because I had asked Ariel if the gecko that he hatched out did or didn't have MBD. Also until that photo I was only going off of what Ariel had told me and his partner Stephanie had agreed to witnessing. Hope that helps a bit

 

[lauraleellbp]

IMO that gecko doesn't show any other symptoms of MBD, just a kinked tail. Might even straighten itself out with some extra calcium?

Regardless of whether or not this gecko actually has MBD, I still don't understand what your issue is with Ariel if you are the one who sold him the kinked tailed gecko... what is BOI worthy here?

 

[312Herps]

well i talked to Ariel about this at All animal expo . he said someone hacked him and the reason they have the same IP adress is cause it was from his work where he works with a ton of people and other computers.... he said they used his computer and he had to file a police report. he said he would be posting the report if people did not believe him . he said i knoow it looks bad and it looks like i did it . but hes like " Honestly its not me ".

I'm still waiting for the police report from the supposed "hacker" he had bypass security at a corporation as prestigious as the one he works for ? Because I'm sure if they've had a breach in such a huge corporation they should have record of it and would at least like to know why their IT dept. which handles online security doesn't know that they are being " hacked " by internal personnel. These are very serious offenses to which no proof ,which is the burden on this forum not opinion , has surfaced yet. Unless ... it's also another technological Sci-fi thriller he conjured up.

 

[312Herps]

BTW this is another email address Ariel,Sal,Toto may be using : [email protected]

 

[Jaybee]

IMO that gecko doesn't show any other symptoms of MBD, just a kinked tail. Might even straighten itself out with some extra calcium?

Speaking only from my own experience, I agree with this. The term "severe MBD" specifically was thrown out there and this doesn't appear to be a gecko with what I would classify as severe MBD, but without a vet's say-so it's just a guess.

Regardless of whether or not this gecko actually has MBD, I still don't understand what your issue is with Ariel if you are the one who sold him the kinked tailed gecko... what is BOI worthy here?

Again, I agree - Rick, can you please write briefly what the issue is exactly with Ariel in your recent posts about the MBD gecko? It is difficult to understand.

1) You bought a gecko, and say it had MBD;
2) You sold Ariel this gecko for half the price you purchased it for, making him aware ahead of time it had MBD;
3) what issues arose after that?

I am also still unclear who bred the gecko so that it is producing viable eggs. The original seller/breeder? You? Ariel? Or a fourth party? Generally if a crested gecko is so poorly off that it has "severe MBD," it is visibly apparent (swollen limbs, twisted back, mushy jaw as mentioned before).

I'm not trying to be a jerk, I am just confused. I honestly don't think anyone was trying to troll you here, we just are not clear on what the issue is.

 

[312Herps]

February 12 2012
I purchased a gecko from a local breeder (which I've already stated their name)
my wife went to pick it up while I was at work , I saw the gecko when I came home from work and it looked significantly worse than what I saw in the photos the breeder had sent me.The breeder offered to take the gecko back, but rather then waste $30 in gas picking it up I chose to keep the gecko. Maybe I should've taken it back , but I didn't.

Three days after having it home it laid a pair of eggs . After telling Ariel about the incident and the gecko , he volunteered to purchase the gecko . He took the gecko home from the next local show.

Some time in the future after being in contact with Ariel ,he let me know that the gecko was still gravid an had laid a clutch of eggs ,which he later hatched (gecko in the photo) and told me the female which I purchased gravid from said breeder and sold to him (which I don't have a photo of ) still had a bad tail and that even the hatchling (gecko in the photo) that eventually came from this female had what appeared to be MBD issues.

On Nov.10th 2012
I received an email informing me of a large group of breeders trash talking me on a thread. Which the breeder I purchased this gecko from was included in. At the next local show I approached her fiancé or husband to see what the issue was which he wasn't clear of ,but either way we put this to rest ,or at least I thought so.

on Nov.12th 2012
I received an email from none other then Mr. Cudia himself alerting me of a thread where people were bashing me (Jen you were there , so you may recall ) where yet again the breeder who I purchased the gecko from was still saying things about me being a waste of time and such. So I cut off all communication with her and her company.

Keep in mind I communicated with Ariel often via email, text ,calls, seeing each other at local shows and anytime I asked about the geckos he said they were still in the same shape.


Flash forward march 12,2013 .

I decided to contact the company who originally sold me the gecko to hash out our differences . Upon speaking with one of the owners I brought up that I had caught her trash talking me and that's why I responded in the same manner on FB . She told me the reason she said that about me is because two people had told her that I had been trash talking her business by telling them she had sold me an unhealthy gecko. When I asked who the people were , she told me both of the people were and ironically Ariel was one of them.

so in other words :

Ariel was knowingly pinning the other breeder and I against each other the whole time (over a year) knowing he was catering to both sides by telling the breeder that the gecko was fine and perfectly healthy and adding that I was trash talking her business, then turning around and telling me the geckos were still in the same condition with tail problems; thinking that the breeder and I would never speak again so nobody would ever know he was lying.(especially the breeder and I )

After calling Ariel and letting him know that I had indeed resolved the issue with the breeder and that we both knew he was telling two different stories . He began to back peddle while speaking to me on the phone and conjure up a story where he claimed " I had told him my girlfriend left the adult female gecko outside in the cold for an hour or two and that's how the geckos tail was damaged " which was ridiculous because the breeder and I both knew the tail was damaged even before I had the gecko in my possession.

I told Ariel that all he had to do was apologize to me via text or email and that I would just drop the issue . I imagine in fear of me having evidence of him admitting to lying he freaked out and threatened me .



What I found BOI worthy is the BOI Forum is about defining someone's business ethics even years later and I felt this needed to be known as he still participates in many local and large scale shows and events .

Does this clear it up a bit ? Sorry for being so unclear on what I was trying to state previously . If any parts are confusing please let me know.

 

[pei8147]

What I found BOI worthy is the BOI Forum is about defining someone's business ethics even years later and I felt this needed to be known as he still participates in many local and large scale shows and events ..

Posts worthy of the BOI have proof to back up their claims.

 

[Clark_Exotics]

"Red" said gecko does not have major MBD, Rick Gutierrez is just trying to cause problems for Ariel, because he claims he is a liar. Seems to everyone you are the liar, Rick. You are here calling Ariel out for what? Because he took in a gecko you were to lazy to take care of in the first place? Because unlike you, this isn't all about money to people like Ariel & he can care for his animals & does not just "flip" everything!! or could it be because Ariel can afford to "give away" geckos?

Is she your girlfriend or wife?? ["I had told him my girlfriend left the adult female gecko outside in the cold for an hour or two and that's how the geckos tail was damaged" or "my wife went to pick it up while I was at work"] Why don't you even keep your own stories straight??

Last but not least.....if you are going to involve people in your BS at least spell their names right ['This is where Ariel decided to get his partner Stephanie Wasilewski involved"] it is : Stephanie Wasielewski ....

 

[312Herps]

"Red" said gecko does not have major MBD,

This is what Ariel told me.

Rick Gutierrez is just trying to cause problems for Ariel, because he claims he is a liar. Seems to everyone you are the liar, Rick.

Yes I totally hatched this scheme up to discredit Ariel's flawless track record Have you not read anything on this thread before page 15

You are here calling Ariel out for what?

I believe it's clear enough why I posted what I did.

Because unlike you, this isn't all about money to people like Ariel & he can care for his animals & does not just "flip" everything!!

again this isn't about my practices , this is about Ariel's. Let's stay on topic or we could just bring up how after a chameleon, clutch of BP's, 3+crested geckos died on you guys you decided to pitch all the BP's cause you were just sick of having so many animals die on you . How long did you have that collection ?

or could it be because Ariel can afford to "give away" geckos?

I don't believe you understand how to properly use quotation marks , Melissa
I mean "Scott" . I give away geckos all the time , just not to you and I'm sure it bugs you that you can't trade everything you own for crested geckos ,but you shouldn't live outside of your means.

Also I would like to add at this point this is why Melissa, I mean "Scott" is defending Ariel. I'm sure like he did with me and countless others in this thread , he comes off as a nice person and very generous by offering you half priced geckos or even free geckos or snakes. What you don't realize then is that it's actually a deposit on your validity to speak up for him when a confrontation is upon him.
It's one thing to genuinely give someone a gecko which I do often , but it's a completely different thing to buy friends . If he didn't mess up so much he wouldn't have the approach people the way he does of HAVING to give people geckos or huge discounts on geckos.

Don't believe me ? quick example . go back to page 15 look at the last comment on the FB conversation image , (Here's how you properly use quotes Melissa , I mean "Scott" ) " He never expected the two of us to discuss it. I would greatly appreciate it if my name was taken out and just referred to as X or something because I don't really care to be honest "

Which I was surprised to hear to say the least , until I saw this breeders last photo update on the big crested gecko forum and who the credit for that last gecko in their Tinley pickups !!!!!!!!! was . Then I understood their silence and their not wanting to take part in this and possibly end up losing out on that gecko.

Is she your girlfriend or wife?? ["I had told him my girlfriend left the adult female gecko outside in the cold for an hour or two and that's how the geckos tail was damaged" or "my wife went to pick it up while I was at work"] Why don't you even keep your own stories straight??

did you read the whole sentence ?

he began to back peddle while speaking to me on the phone and conjure up a story where he claims " I had told him my girlfriend left the adult female gecko outside in the cold for an hour or two and that's how the geckos tail was damaged " If I was the one saying this then who do you think the "HE" I'm referring to is ?

Last but not least.....if you are going to involve people in your BS at least spell their names right ['This is where Ariel decided to get his partner Stephanie Wasilewski involved"] it is : Stephanie Wasielewski ....

I'm glad you brought her up and I apologize for the misspelling.
but so now everyone is clear Stephanie Wasielewski
Username : Wazlin2209 is part of Ariel's new company Aritonnic and one of the people he does business through .

And Stephanie's involvement in this situation didn't come until Ariel ,during the back pedaling on the phone with me, told me that Stephanie was there when I supposedly told him my wife had left the gecko outside . Then switched his mind when I hung up on him and called Stephanie to ask her if she witnessed the non-existent event.

Oh and the reason I keep insisting on the fact that this isn't Scott Clarke and it indeed is Melissa Clarke is because the time of this post is usually when I would receive her daily text messages to ask about geckos & gossip while Scott's at work . Which if this is Scott , you can easily check on the text messages she printed out , time & dates are stamped . kind of there huh Melissa . You can also ask anyone from the largest Chicago based reptile community group on FB what kind of person Melissa Clarke is if you want a bit of background on her and her interactions with people.

All you have to do is go through this thread and see how many people went from defending Ariel (most likely because of his generous gifts or prices on animals) to having problems with him. I only hope when it happens to you , you learn from it as I did.

Will you may be important to your geckos and even your friends , but you don't decide what's BOI worthy here , the MODS do
You may want to read the rules for posting on the BOI before posting as it CLEARLY states

Proof is optional, but recommended if you would like to remove any doubts about the truth of what you are posting. But this is purely up to you , just as the believability of what you post is purely up to the reader of your words.

 

[312Herps]

oh and just to tie in who Melissa Clark is :

When I said this in post #142 :

She had also added she was alarmed by two people that I had been badmouthing her geckos because of the transaction we had .When low and behold the two people who brought this to her attention were Lonely Lady (pseudo name) and ARIEL CUDIA.

the other person who told the breeder I originally purchased the GRAVID MBD gecko from that I was bad mouthing her business was indeed Melissa Clark of ClarkExotics

I apologize for the previous spelling errors of any names .

 

[pei8147]

I've had several interactions with various people in this thread , but unlike the majority of you i can actually stay on topic Ariel and i have had several business transactions of which i have never had ANY issues with , i've never purchased a gecko from Ariel but we have worked out some breeding ventures with Ariel and i know nothing bad will come of them. I've heard alot of drama surrounding situations having to do with Ariel in the past , but have never been a "victim" of his mastermind plans to get over on people. That's been my experience with Ariel..

I guess something went wrong quick. Your post vouching for Ariel was less than 8 weeks ago.

 

[312Herps]

I guess something went wrong quick. Your post vouching for Ariel was less than 8 weeks ago.

correct . As I previously stated ,I regret defending Ariel and his practices as many others in this thread have upon becoming a victim of them. I realize I made a mistake not only by trusting Ariel , but also by defending him less than 8 weeks ago . Thanks for pointing that out Will .


Sometimes you don't KNOW until you KNOW .

 

[pei8147]

correct . As I previously stated ,I regret defending Ariel and his practices as many others in this thread have upon becoming a victim of them. I realize I made a mistake not only by trusting Ariel , but also by defending him less than 8 weeks ago . Thanks for pointing that out Will .


Sometimes you don't KNOW until you KNOW .

Yeah, but my point is... your timeline of events doesn't match up. How did Ariel get the female from you... lay an egg and egg hatch in such a short time frame.