Info Kent Sanchez

[snakehobbyist]

I posted an ad on the Ball Python Classifieds and Ball Python Classifieds - Female Ball Pythons groups. I basically asked for people to send me pictures, weights, prices, etc. of any female mojaves, fires, enchis, and yellowbellies. Kent Sanchez sent me a picture of a very perfect fire (at least to me). He told me she was $450 + shipping, but he would go ahead and do $500 shipped and eat the remaining cost of shipping. I was willing to consider paying that much because I believe she is top quality. I was debating on the purchase because I have a paycheck and a refund check coming this week. I have a bumblebee to pay off and a mojave to pay off as well as ordering a new rack, so I wasn't sure if I could afford another snake right away. I told him I would take the week to think about her and get back to him this weekend.

After I got done talking to him, I showed the picture to Samantha Holland. She and I met on the Ball Python Breeders facebook page and since we live relatively close to one another, there was a natural friendship that formed. She and I were looking for essentially the same snakes (Samantha wanted sub adults and I wanted babies...but we were both searching for the same morphs). I share my finds and she shares her and we both talk about the quality of the animals since we both have a similar outlook on what we want in our collections.

Without saying who I got the image from or how much I was informed of the asking price, Samantha filled in all those gaps. She knows the original owner (Anthony Canzonieri) and knows that the fire was sold for $350 shipped and that Kent Sanchez was selling the same snake for $450 + shipping (what I was offered). She told me that he was flipping the snake. I had a feeling something was off about Kent when he couldn't tell me if the snake had granite in it's lines but I couldn't put my finger on it. When Samantha began to tell me the other side of the story, it began to make sense.

Now, I'm not saying that Kent Sanchez is a bad buyer/seller, just a little warning to people that he may just be buying snakes to flip them for profit. I abhor this practice and I refuse to support it. I'm sure there are other people who feel the same way and I wanted it to be known that he is not against flipping snakes without regards to the animal. It's just more information in order to make an informed decision if you are considering doing business with Kent Sanchez.

Below are the screen shots for my conversation with Kent.

 

[snakehobbyist]

Here's the final screen shot of my conversation with Kent.

 

[snakehobbyist]

Here are the screen shots of my conversation with Samantha.

 

[Wilomn]

Some mighty big britches you've got there ma'am.

What do you think of people who smoke? How about those that indulge in over-imbibation of recreational substances or, and this one is good, do you buy ANY supplies from pet stores either online or physically?

Ever buy a car? What about clothes, do you grow your own cotton and mill it and spin it and then make your own or do you buy them from someone who bought them from someone else, you know, flipped them? What about your rodents? Do you raise all your own?

Rocks, glass houses, people throwing, you know the story, right?

 

[NocturnalNature]

Some mighty big britches you've got there ma'am.

What do you think of people who smoke? How about those that indulge in over-imbibation of recreational substances or, and this one is good, do you buy ANY supplies from pet stores either online or physically?

Ever buy a car? What about clothes, do you grow your own cotton and mill it and spin it and then make your own or do you buy them from someone who bought them from someone else, you know, flipped them? What about your rodents? Do you raise all your own?

Rocks, glass houses, people throwing, you know the story, right?

 

[Shadera]

I agree with Wes.

This is a hobby for most people. Unexpected things pop up all the time, and for some the snakes are the first things to go to pay the bills. Or perhaps he decided to narrow his collection focus and cut the fire out. Who knows, and who is to judge?

If you refuse to own an animal that has been in anyone's hands but the original breeder, there's a forum out there for you. Although, once you find out about the hypocrisy behind the scenes you'll just as well not like them either.

You're calling him questionable for selling an animal he bought from someone else. Some sellers might think YOU questionable for running an ad collecting pictures and wasting time when you know you have no money to spend.

 

[Shadera]

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=398421

An interesting old ad I found.

 

[Dennis Hultman]

So here's my question

There were statements in your conversation with Samantha about it being a shame that people can't be honest.

In your opening statement you stated you knew something was off because he couldn't answer a question about the line.

I would like to know where he lied to you or was dishonest in anyway? Seems to me by the evidence you posted, you never asked him if he breed the snake, how long he had it or if he was a breeder at all.

You have a right not to be lied to. If he lied to you and said he produced the animal or that he had it for a length of time considerably different than the facts, I would be right there with you. You have posted nothing to that regard.

You have a right to support breeders and not resellers. You have a right to your personal goals and quality of your animals.

As much as you are stating

Now, I'm not saying that Kent Sanchez is a bad buyer/seller, just a little warning to people that he may just be buying snakes to flip them for profit.

The hell you aren't.

You posted a ad stating what you were looking for. Someone responded with what they had to offer. You asked no questions to its history or if the respondent was a breeder, reseller, wholesaler, middleman, NOTHING.

You didn't ask him why he was selling, his business, nothing.

All you know is that he purchased the snake for a 100 less than what your friend told you he bought it for. Nothing more or less. Is that the gist of it?

So why does Kent deserve to be outed for not telling you something you didn't ask? Why doesn't the hundreds of people posting on KS,facebook and here not deserve the same treatment?

That list is going to be extremely long. It also going to include every reptile shop, wholesaler and many many breeders out there that are guilty of the same. You just might be surprised. But to be fair, We can't stop there your going to have to list some revered recognizable names that wholesale their animals out to resellers and dealers across this country. After all, they are supplying the flipped animals to wholesalers so they intern FLIP them out.

You ready to start that list?

Like I stated, you have a right to support the type of person you would like to do business with. If they lie to you, they are dishonest and should be outed. I would be right here supporting you.

The only thing so far that this person did was respond to your ad.

You can state all you want that this is just a informational thread but all I see is targeting someone because he was going to charge more than what he paid for the snake. You have decided based on the amount of time he had the snake before selling he is someone you must warn people about.

How much was that time anyways? A day, month, two , three?

I would like to know the time period? It's funny that some keep talking about this like it's the most evil thing in the world and like clockwork they are the ones selling their new animals in emergency listings every three months.

My car broke down, I got to sell. Family emergency, paying a bill, etc, etc..
Within every three months for years. Hey but that's OK, right?

So why don't you take on some of the big names and well known breeders out there doing the same thing? Instead of some guy who didn't lie to you, wasn't rude and did nothing for you to target him.

Take on some of those hypocrites spewing junk out both sides of their mouths.

 

[ShadowAceD]

So here's my question

There were statements in your conversation with Samantha about it being a shame that people can't be honest.

In your opening statement you stated you knew something was off because he couldn't answer a question about the line.

I would like to know where he lied to you or was dishonest in anyway? Seems to me by the evidence you posted, you never asked him if he breed the snake, how long he had it or if he was a breeder at all.

You have a right not to be lied to. If he lied to you and said he produced the animal or that he had it for a length of time considerably different than the facts, I would be right there with you. You have posted nothing to that regard.

You have a right to support breeders and not resellers. You have a right to your personal goals and quality of your animals.

As much as you are stating


The hell you aren't.

You posted a ad stating what you were looking for. Someone responded with what they had to offer. You asked no questions to its history or if the respondent was a breeder, reseller, wholesaler, middleman, NOTHING.

You didn't ask him why he was selling, his business, nothing.

All you know is that he purchased the snake for a 100 less than what your friend told you he bought it for. Nothing more or less. Is that the gist of it?

So why does Kent deserve to be outed for not telling you something you didn't ask? Why doesn't the hundreds of people posting on KS,facebook and here not deserve the same treatment?

That list is going to be extremely long. It also going to include every reptile shop, wholesaler and many many breeders out there that are guilty of the same. You just might be surprised. But to be fair, We can't stop there your going to have to list some revered recognizable names that wholesale their animals out to resellers and dealers across this country. After all, they are supplying the flipped animals to wholesalers so they intern FLIP them out.

You ready to start that list?

Like I stated, you have a right to support the type of person you would like to do business with. If they lie to you, they are dishonest and should be outed. I would be right here supporting you.

The only thing so far that this person did was respond to your ad.

You can state all you want that this is just a informational thread but all I see is targeting someone because he was going to charge more than what he paid for the snake. You have decided based on the amount of time he had the snake before selling he is someone you must warn people about.

How much was that time anyways? A day, month, two , three?

I would like to know the time period? It's funny that some keep talking about this like it's the most evil thing in the world and like clockwork they are the ones selling their new animals in emergency listings every three months.

My car broke down, I got to sell. Family emergency, paying a bill, etc, etc..
Within every three months for years. Hey but that's OK, right?

So why don't you take on some of the big names and well known breeders out there doing the same thing? Instead of some guy who didn't lie to you, wasn't rude and did nothing for you to target him.

Take on some of those hypocrites spewing junk out both sides of their mouths.

Boom.

Sounds to me like the OP is upset they aren't getting that animal for 100.00 less. It was a great animal for the price prior to that.

 

[Dennis Hultman]

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=398421

An interesting old ad I found.

LOL,

What I find very interesting is the length of time between that ad and her unboxing video of that snake on youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LD-0PMWhpg

 

[ShadowAceD]

I purchased a 2012 Spider from Marc at the NARBC last August. She's doing great and hammering food just like he said! I would do business with him again in a heartbeat.

She got the Spider in August of 2012. So ... nine whole months ... then ...

SHE FLIPPED IT!


Maybe someone should start a BOI on her ...

 

[Dennis Hultman]

Disregard my post about unboxing I thought I clicked on the unboxing vdeo in her videos. I read it wrong. I read it wrong and clicked on the wrong video.

It's just a unveiling video of the same snake.

 

[beballs]

Man this thread is a whole lot of pointing fingers. Talk about everyone trying to stick their fingers in the cookie jar.

Everyone is kind of against Breanna for looking at the big picture. Rather than asking the vital questions, they are completely accusing her of this assumption, when really all she seems to want to do is talk about this, and see if anyone has any other viewpoints. Grant it, something like this could have been handled somewhere other than the BOI.

So, down to business, Breanna is worried about the flip. Someone can see how it would be an issue in a more professional view like with this being over the internet, on fauna, rather than buying the animal at petco, and so on. What no one really is asking is exactly how long Kent had the animal for. I mean something like what she could be mentioning could be brought back to a certain incident with a ball python penny auction. The sole purchase of buying the animal was for profit, and profit alone.

Now, Breanna should have waited to get the time frame the animal was owned before even considering making a BOI thread. If he had, had the animal for only a day, and i were the breeder of the animal i would be a bit concerned why he were trying to sell the animal already. Yet if this guy of had the animal for a few months, what would be the big point of starting this? I would go down the basic checklist. Is the animal healthy, does it look fed, does it look well taken care of, if yes, then who cares?

Not to mention, you got these guys with hundreds to thousands of animals, how could they possibly have the time to look for any past buyer to see if they are selling the animal days after purchase?

I guess from what i see it really all depends on the time frame. If someone is trying to go out there to buy nice animals simply to resell them and resell for profit only, i would be a bit concerned. Let alone, its really the buyers choice on the matter: if they did research on the seller, if they asked all the proper questions, lines, and so on. Yet again if they want to dish out the cash, then what can really be done?

 

[NocturnalNature]

Man this thread is a whole lot of pointing fingers. Talk about everyone trying to stick their fingers in the cookie jar.

Everyone is kind of against Breanna for looking at the big picture. Rather than asking the vital questions, they are completely accusing her of this assumption, when really all she seems to want to do is talk about this, and see if anyone has any other viewpoints. Grant it, something like this could have been handled somewhere other than the BOI.

So, down to business, Breanna is worried about the flip. Someone can see how it would be an issue in a more professional view like with this being over the internet, on fauna, rather than buying the animal at petco, and so on. What no one really is asking is exactly how long Kent had the animal for. I mean something like what she could be mentioning could be brought back to a certain incident with a ball python penny auction. The sole purchase of buying the animal was for profit, and profit alone.

Now, Breanna should have waited to get the time frame the animal was owned before even considering making a BOI thread. If he had, had the animal for only a day, and i were the breeder of the animal i would be a bit concerned why he were trying to sell the animal already. Yet if this guy of had the animal for a few months, what would be the big point of starting this? I would go down the basic checklist. Is the animal healthy, does it look fed, does it look well taken care of, if yes, then who cares?

Not to mention, you got these guys with hundreds to thousands of animals, how could they possibly have the time to look for any past buyer to see if they are selling the animal days after purchase?

I guess from what i see it really all depends on the time frame. If someone is trying to go out there to buy nice animals simply to resell them and resell for profit only, i would be a bit concerned. Let alone, its really the buyers choice on the matter: if they did research on the seller, if they asked all the proper questions, lines, and so on. Yet again if they want to dish out the cash, then what can really be done?

The timeframe makes no difference whatsoever. Many people in this industry buy and sell on a daily basis to turn a profit. Why single him out? The animal appears healthy, well cared for, and communications were respectful. Where is the fault in trying to make money if he got a good deal on the animal even if his intentions were to resell it? You do realize we have numerous brick and mortar pet suppliers who advertise on this very site who do the exact same thing?

 

[snakehobbyist]

I'm going to try to answer everyone's comments as best I can so if I miss you, my apologies. It was not my intent.

I'm going into an industry (the medical field) where honesty and ethics are huge. My only beef with Kent is his ethics. I have nothing against the guy, personally. I'm sure he's a great buyer/seller for the snakes he's not flipping without putting any time or money into.

When I shop for snakes, I do so a little differently than most people. I would rather not waste my time or my money so I ask for a single picture, weight, and price. If I'm still interested in the animal, then I will start to ask my questions. If I'm not going to purchase the snake, I simply tell the breeder that and don't ask a bunch of questions and for shipping quotes if I never intended to buy. If I had decided that I wanted the fire, then I would have proceeded to ask the questions. But that's just how I buy...not everyone is the same way.

When I posted the ad looking for snakes, I had a budget in mind and I was only looking for one snake. I can't buy every snake that someone sends me a picture of. I sifted through several snakes before posting that I had found what I was looking for (the one mojave). That put an end to the messages sent to me. I can afford the snake. I was simply considering making an exception in my budget to have a stellar animal.

As for my spider, I put money and time into her. I don't think I made a single penny off her at the time of sale. The snake in the unboxing video is what I received for her in a trade. If you happened to see my good guy post or my post on the forums, I was very gracious towards Corey DeLong for offering me the trade. The ONLY reason I was selling the spider is that I have a very small collection with limited rack space. I put a down payment on a bumblebee and since she also has the spider gene, I didn't need it twice in my rack. It's my way of keeping my collection small while still working with the genes I want. Also, if you read any of my other stuff on the forums or knew me personally, I really did struggle before putting her up for sale as well as while she was on the market because she was so close to breeding size and I debated holding her back to breed since I thought she might be ready late next season. However, I already have two breeders that will be ready and I only want to have a couple of clutches at a time, so I ultimately went on with the trade.

If I was premature in this post, I sincerely apologize. I don't make a lot of threads on this forum unless they are deserving of a good guy response. Occasionally I read through threads to get insight on buyers/sellers, but not as often as some. However, what I've gathered from other threads here and on other forums is that the BOI is a place for feedback from deals or attempted deals. People post on here to warn of scams or questionable practices. I began a deal with Kent and simply backed away because I felt like something wasn't right. Once I found out why it felt so off to me, it made sense (at least it did to me). However, I felt it necessary to let others know that his practices were a little unethical. I didn't start a bad guy thread on him because I don't believe him to be a "bad guy". I just wanted other people to know and be informed when they make a decision to buy or not to buy. That's why I started an "info" thread...I thought that was the kind of thread I needed to make. However, if I was wrong because I don't hang around here often, I'm truly sorry. My intention was not to start a heat debate...simply help out others who have similar viewpoints to me.

 

[NocturnalNature]

You mention that his business practices are "a little unethical". Why? Because he isn't offering you the snake for what he paid for it? What is unethical about making a profit if he is selling a quality animal that appears to be well cared for?
Unless you buy direct from the breeder, you are likely buying into the exact same scenario without even being aware of it.

 

[snakehobbyist]

I actually was willing to pay the higher price because she IS a quality animal. I'm not saying she isn't high quality and I'm not saying she was unhealthy. I never said anything of that.

I'm of the opinion (and I would bet money that I'm not the only one with this opinion) that it's unethical to buy anything and without putting anything into it, turning around and selling it for higher than market value or selling it for more than was paid for it. I'm of this opinion with a lot of things (not just snakes). If I'm aware of it, I try to avoid supporting the practice.

I'm sure there are other breeders out there that do similar things and if I was aware, I would choose not to purchase for them. However, most of my snakes were bought from the original breeder because I prefer it that way. I would much rather pay a breeder for their hard work and effort in producing the animal than supporting a practice that I feel is not ethical (this can be extended from just flipping to be things like misrepresenting an animal's size or weight, giving incorrect information about the animal, etc.). I understand that some of you do not share my opinion, and I respect that. I don't expect everyone to be in my corner, in fact, I expect people not to be. I just wanted this out there for people who do share my opinion to have the info they need to decide whether or not to purchase.

 

[NocturnalNature]

I respect your opinion as well, but I have to ask, you mention that this extends to other areas of your life beyond snakes. Surely you are aware that buying from Walmart, grocery store, car purchase, clothing, etc., all include making a profit. I simply don't understand why you chose to single out this one individual. Why not list all the suppliers you have purchased from as well?
You fully admit the animal is a quality specimen, and has been properly cared for, so it makes iit a bit difficult to grasp why this individual is not entitled to try to make what appears to be a reasonable profit. Even if he purchased the animal strictly for resale he has done nothing to warrant a thread on the BOI, based on the posted transcripts of your conversation.

 

[snakehobbyist]

Yes, while that is true, I really do -try- not to purchase from those places if I can help it. I'm not perfect. I like to purchase from local farmers and local meat markets for my food when I can. I've never bought a car in my life (I've driven two vehicles and both were hand-me-downs). I've very picky with clothes so I only shop at certain stores and I live by "free t-shirt" standards. I'm not fashionable in any way. If I have a choice to support a chain (like Walmart) or someone local...I always choose local. Sometimes this cannot be avoided.

This is the first time I've encountered something like this with regards to a snake purchase. I didn't know how to voice my concerns to reach the audience I wanted it to. Again, I'm sorry if this was not the place. I was under the impression that it was so I take full responsibility for that. I just wanted people of my opinion to have a little more information I their "tool box" when buying animals.

Honestly, I'm not saying he's not entitled to selling animals for resale. If that's how it came across, I apologize. He can do whatever he wants with the animals he buys. I know people will buy from him and that's fine. That's a choice buyers can make. Just like it's a choice to wear a red shirt or a blue shirt (random, but it's just an example). I just know that people who share my opinion would want to know these things (I wish I knew a lot more about breeders than I do...but it's not something people blatantly talk about) and I thought I was helping them out. I'm beginning to see that in my attempt to help, I've caused some harm and once again, I'm sincerely sorry. I don't have a lot of experience posting on the BOI so I guess I'm still learning valuable lessons.

I hope that answered your question. I'm trying to be open and honest but sometimes it's really hard to make your opinions clear via writing.

 

[Shadera]

I mean something like what she could be mentioning could be brought back to a certain incident with a ball python penny auction. The sole purchase of buying the animal was for profit, and profit alone.

If that's the only point you took away from the BBS threads, then you weren't paying attention. That has zero to do with a situation like this. OP's seller was nothing but polite and respectful, even when she read him the riot act. All I see is a flighty, self-righteous buyer. People use this forum to research buyers, too.

By the way, does he know this is here? Would love to hear him chime in.

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I'm going into an industry (the medical field) where honesty and ethics are huge. My only beef with Kent is his ethics. I have nothing against the guy, personally. I'm sure he's a great buyer/seller for the snakes he's not flipping without putting any time or money into.

I'm of the opinion (and I would bet money that I'm not the only one with this opinion) that it's unethical to buy anything and without putting anything into it, turning around and selling it for higher than market value or selling it for more than was paid for it. I'm of this opinion with a lot of things (not just snakes). If I'm aware of it, I try to avoid supporting the practice.

You keep mentioning him not putting any money into the animal. So you're telling us that you'll be selling all your morph babies for a few bucks a piece because you know, making any sort of a profit is unethical?

I can name a couple big breeders off the top of my head who buy whole clutches from people or buy wholesale select morphs and then sell them to their customers as, wait for it ... their own babies, produced there. What you're not grasping is that it's kinda dumb to hang onto that when you're surrounded by it. No matter whether you made a profit on the spider or not, you're a flipper as well. You made some excuses as to why you sold her and again, who is to say what your seller's situation was? Maybe he JUST bought a superfly and no longer really needs a single gene fire. See where this is going? Did you bother to ask him WHY he was offering her for sale before you nailed him to the cross? Or Heaven forbid some emergency has cropped up and he needs some quick cash. Let's hope you're never in that situation ... Somebody jumped the gun here.

Can anyone point out where the seller has this animal listed for sale? It doesn't look like he's actively trying to sell the animal. He saw a wanted ad, and offered the animal to the OP for the price he was willing to part with said animal.