and I find another place for men to blame women for the brutal acts committed against them.
And sweetie, I know that there are bad people in the world, and we need to protect ourselves. The sad thing is that when it comes to rape, it's not about teaching BOYS NOT TO RAPE, IT'S ABOUT TEACHING GIRLS HOW TO PROTECT THEMSELVES. You're saying that men cannot control themselves. They don't have compassion or rational thought. It's up to women to keep themselves safe. Men are dangerous animals. I'm not surprised you don't understand why this is wrong.
No matter how you try to say you aren't blaming her, you are. You're willfully ignorant, and that's a sad thing.
A WOMAN WHO IS RAPED IS NEVER WRONG. SHE CAN WEAR WHAT SHE WANTS. DRINK WHAT SHE WANTS. BE ALONE ALL SHE WANTS. It is not her fault that a man chooses to rape her.
I'm done with this thread. Have fun patting each other on the backs, basking in rape culture, and being no more enlightened than you were a few days ago.
Sweetie, Oops, can I call you sweetie as well or will I be basking in some sort of male chauvinism culture?
You keep stating positions that people simply aren't stating.
Nobody stated that women can't wear what they want, drink what they want or do what they want and if they do, they are at fault for being raped. Nobody here stated that poor choices is the blame for the rape. The mere mentioning of those decisions does not equate to blame.
What you are stating is because there was a rape nobody can mention poor decisions that were made. Nobody is using those decisions to excuse the rape.
I will probably repeat myself over and over again here in the hopes that you grasp what is actually being stated not what you read into it.
Harald made some very good points on that.
Like what he stated, if my underage daughter went out and was so drunk she was carried home and nothing happened to her, I would be safe in stating she made a poor decision. She shouldn't have lost control of herself, shouldn't have been drinking in the first place. A parent would address this as they see fit. I wouldn't be happy she put herself in such a position (nothing to do specifically with rape). Add on top of that, if she was carried home by people she didn't even know well.
Would I be safe in stating to my daughter she made a poor choice? Would that be OK with you? Or should I just be happy my teenage daughter is falling down drunk? She did no wrong? No rape in this situation so I'm free to comment on the bad choices, right?
If the unthinkable happened and she was abused, by your positions, I can't even address the fact that she made some poor decisions because you feel that would actually be placing the blame on her for the rape. Nobody here is stating that. The abuser is responsible for the abuse, period. It doesn't change the facts and decisions made in either scenario.
Being not in control of your body is a fact in both.
The mugging example is spot on.
It doesn't matter what I wear, what I do peacefully. Assault against a peaceful person is wrong. If I want to walk down any street, anywhere with thousands of dollars in my hands extended outwards screaming I have thousands of dollars, I should have the right. It's mine and stealing or harming others is wrong. What if I was drunk too?
Unfortunately, the world isn't like that. Many would state that I was irresponsible and I'm lucky I wasn't robbed. I made a bad decision. I opened myself up to abuse. I would believe they are right.
If I was robbed or passed out on the street, I probably wouldn't get much sympathy and people would state I made a bad choice. What if I was shot and killed for the money? Nobody would say that it was OK to shoot me or that I deserved it (maybe some) but I think my choices would be talked about and discussed.
The sad thing is that when it comes to rape, it's not about teaching BOYS NOT TO RAPE, IT'S ABOUT TEACHING GIRLS HOW TO PROTECT THEMSELVES.
The problem is your advocating not teaching girls anything.
Yes, girls should be able to do everything you mention and still not get raped. Yes, people should be able to hold their money in their hands and not be harmed. Yes, I should be able to able to walk in any neighborhood at night and not get robbed.
They all happen anyway!! Yes, boys should know (duh!) that it is wrong to rape a girl. Even if they know, there are going to be those that are criminals, abusers, murderers what have you.
We teach are children how to avoid other dangers, there is nothing wrong with teaching girls how to minimize putting themselves in a vulnerable position as well. That's not blaming women for the crime. That's using common sense precaution.
I would tell my daughters not to walk around in a crime ridden neighborhood in the middle of the night. If they are robbed, it doesn't excuse the robber but they did not use good judgment.
I would tell my daughters not to drink themselves unconscious. If something terrible happened, it doesn't excuse the crime but they also didn't use good judgment.
You would simply say they did nothing wrong. They most certainly didn't deserve to be raped but they didn't minimize their exposure to bad people.
That is simply all that was stated here. In that sense, it was a bad choice. People shouldn't have to fear or walk on their tippy toes to point that out.
But you can't even state that it is wise to minimize your exposure with you.
You have to say simply "they did nothing wrong".
I'm sure you know rape usually has nothing to do with sex. It is about power. What more can a rapist want then a powerless person who isn't in control of herself. It is wise to teach your children such.
ABOUT TEACHING GIRLS HOW TO PROTECT THEMSELVES. You're saying that men cannot control themselves. They don't have compassion or rational thought. It's up to women to keep themselves safe. Men are dangerous animals. I'm not surprised you don't understand why this is wrong.
I'm a parent(boys and girls), and damn well will teach my girls to do what they can to keep themselves safe. To minimize threats. That's a part of a parents JOB description. That doesn't mean men are any of those things you stated but criminals and rapists are. That's not the message.
It is just as important to teach your daughters about caution as it is to have boys who know it is criminal to abuse a girl in such a way.
If you can't understand the points people are making here and just chalking it to "rape culture", your not being reasonable.
You come here and accused two people of blaming the victim for the crime.
Neither did. I say, How dare you!
