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Bad Guy Amanda & Mike Webb of The Pet Gecko

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I am posting this thread reluctantly, as I'm a relative newbie to the online herp community and don't have much of a reptuation. I am also quite aware that a "Bad Guy" thread should not be posted lightly. On the other hand, I'm fairly certain this situation qualifies.

On 1/18/2014, I attended the Hutchinson Repticon with my family and purchased (for $60 cash) a young TSF leopard gecko from Amanda Webb of The Pet Gecko during the first couple hours of the show (VIP tickets, we were there soon after they opened). I took the gecko home, established her in an empty rack, and let her settle in. I also named her Bella, short for Bellatrix.

Although she seemed fine at the show and for the first couple of days, within that first week she began showing signs of illness -- runny, very smelly stools and regurgitation of food items. Eventually, she also regurgitated her shed skin as well. Some days she seemed to do better than others, but she clearly wasn't in perfect health.

I was already planning to have my entire collection tested by PCR for Cryptosporidium through a company named AvianBiotech/Animal Genetics, Inc. and had ordered test kits prior to attending Repticon. So when the test kits arrived, and with Bella showing what seemed to be classic Crypto symptoms, I collected a sample from her to be sent of wth those from the rest of my collection. All the samples were stored in the refrigerator until shipping, which occurred Monday, 1/27/2014 by USPS Priority Mail.

In the meantime, I kept Amanda updated by Facebook message through her personal and/or business pages. I also kept a close eye on Bella, providing extra nutrition and fluids by syringe as needed. If she took a turn for the worse, I intended to get her in to see my veterinarian ASAP, but until then I wanted to avoid stressing her out unnecessarily while waiting for the test results.

Avian Biotech received the samples Thursday 1/30/2014 and began processing them, and I was able to access online results as of Monday, 2/3/2014. Hard copies of the results were also mailed to me, and arrived the following week.

Thirteen of the PCR tests came back negative for Cryptosporidium. One, however, was positive -- the sample collected from Bella. I double-checked the result with the lab by phone and requested they send me a PDF copy so I could provide it to Amanda Webb as proof of the test result. I then contacted her with an update through both her personal and business pages and asked her how she would like to proceed. What followed was a less-than-satisfactory response, the details of which I will leave to the screenshots of our entire interaction since the beginning, including non-related discussion that I included simply for the sake of completeness and to avoid any appearance of hiding something/leaving something out. There are MANY screenshots, plus other supporting documents as well, so please bear with me as I upload them in further posts. There is also more to the story that will come out as I post interactions.
 

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Unfortunately, at this point a huge snow storm blew through my state, and the KSU campus was shut down for several days. The necropsy was delayed. This delay led to less-than-conclusive results on the necropsy, because Bella's remains had begun to degrade and the small intestine, which is the site of most Crypto infections in leopard geckos, was unable to be evaluatated for Crypto at all. Other locations were tested and did not find Crypto present, but that couldn't be considered a definitive result.

At this point, I contacted Amanda and provided her with all the documentation I had available, including the emailed record of the necropsy findings.
 

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Further details:

Around 2/6/14, she announced a SALE on her FB page, 15% off for former customers, 10% off for new customers. This in spite of the fact that she had had at least one gecko with diagnosed Crypto in her collection/possession, and that others might also be at risk if not already infected. She has also continued vending at shows, including the Repticon this last weekend in Utah.

As of 2/7/2014 or 2/8/2014, I was defriended and blocked by Amanda on her personal Facebook page, leaving only her FB business page as a point of contact.

I have not received any response to my message from last Friday, 2/14/2014 or my messages yesterday, 2/18/2014 or today, 2/19/2014. They have not even been opened according to FB messaging, despite Amanda having been on her business page posting pictures late last night/early this morning of a new gecko picked up at the show this last weekend.


At this point, I do not expect a refund, and I am not likely to receive one considering the conditions laid out for me to meet in order to receive one. I am simply posting this to make people aware of the situation and that Amanda Webb has not only not made good on a bad transaction, but has behaved in a way that many people could consider to be irresponsible and dangerous to the health and safety of other people's reptile collections. If that isn't deserving of a Bad Guy mark, I do not know what is.
 

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Well first off we have been upfront and quick with all responses, as shown by the time
Stamps on the responses. Our animals are regularly tested for all parasites including
Crypto. As soon as you mentioned you had a sick gecko we did stains AND PCR test, and every
Single animal we have available for sale was vet checked by a
2nd vet that I do not work at so no chance of foul play could be suspected.
I had a health certificate covering every animal I had for sale in both
Locations and will have one next week as well. On display in full view for all to see.
None of our animals have come back positive and we have had no other issues with any other
Geckos that were sold at that show. As for your testing, we asked that your vet confirm the
Results prior to your vet visit. You still did not get a positive
Confirmation from your vet, and necropsy proved inconclusive
With the other tested tissue samples being clean. Again our stock has no
Symtoms and anybody is welcome to see our stock at any show.
We have had no other reports of any runny feces or signs of crypto from
Any other customers. IF your gecko actually did have crypto then with there being negative results from other parts of body tissue we feel that it would be in the early stages of infection and most likely contracted after your purchase, possibly at the show itself as prevailent as it can be. You mentioned after you got the gecko home how great it was doing even then but it was not until a few days later
When the gecko showed signs of illness. As we mentioned before we would refund the cost of the gecko purchased from us per our policy, even though the vet did not do the requested testing and with
Inconclusive necropsy results. However our stock is healthy and we have our animals vet checked monthly, and anybody purchasing any animal from us is more than welcome to make a photo copy of our current vet health certificate if they want a copy for their records. Any questions or concerns you may call/text/email/ or facebook message us anytime. We keep each gecko individually and have strict
Quaranteen and record keeping procedures as well as VERY strict hand sanitizing protocol at all expos.

Mike Webb,
The Pet Gecko
719-468-8131
[email protected]
 
A few points:

Neither you nor your wife have, at this time, acknowledged/responded to my FB messages dated Friday/yesterday/today or even opened them, as the messages are still not marked "seen". That is not prompt or upfront response.

How did "In the meantime I will be running fecal tests today to double check my colonies" and "I have close to 400 geckos and have only tested close to half so far" and possibly other mentions of Amanda doing the fecals herself becomes independent vet testing and "all have come back clean from the vet here", because everything I'm seeing until now suggests they were done in-house. And I'd love to have your financial circumstances if you can afford to do stains and PCR on 400 geckos at one time, all done in the span of less than a month.

For fairness's sake, I posted my PCR results and will link to the youtube video showing them all if someone can tell me how. Please, post all 400of your negative PCR results (stains too, if you feel like it), since you mentioned you had them done .

There was NO sanitizer present on your table at Repticon while I was there first thing in the morning, and at no time was it offered/suggested/or insisted upon by either you OR your wife.


The gecko, who was purchased extremely early in the show on the very first day, not much past VIP hours and when traffic at the show was still very slow, started showing symptoms in less than a week. The test swab that was taken and provided a positive PCR was also taken less than a week after purchase. I'm still not seeing how this could have come from the show, me, or my tap water, of all things.
 
I want to post some information that pertains to this thread regarding crypto. I am in NO way choosing one side of another, but i think it is important that all parties understand some key facts about crypto

There are precautions that cities take against crypto in the water sources, but is in no shape or form related to the crypto strain that effects reptile. The mammal strain does not transmit to the reptile and vica versa.

Electronmicrosopy is the GOLD standard for testing, but not financially feasible for some one to do on a collection at almost $200 per test. PCR is over 98% accurate and checks for the DNA of crypto in the sample, making it very reliable test. Avian Biotech is one the nations leading PCR labs and recognized by most if not all exotics vets. Acid fast slides are extremely unreliable and have a very large margin for false negatives (meaning the animal is positive, but the test is giving a negative result).

Crypto lives in the small intestine when it comes to geckos, thus a necropsy would not reveal it in any other organ no matter how strong the infection is. It is possible to see other organs affected in other ways by the necropsy, such as fatty liver disease, but you wont physically see the organism.

The most reliable detection protocol is to PCR Test a animal, and do a proper histopath if positive. A protocol with a cure is in the works for publishing now, but that is all i can say at the moment.

It is important we all understand how crypto works to better treat/test/and take care of our animals. Spread good information not fear.
 
The gecko began regurgitating almost immediately according to your time stamps (within two or three days). If it had contracted crypto on the way home from the show, don't you think it would have needed more time to actually start having active infection and showing signs?? The animal regurged it's very first meal in it's new home. These things don't just come up out of nowhere. $60 is not worth your reputation... Crypto is a serious issue and you guys need to post proof that all of your animals are clean, you say you have results from the vet, let's see them.
 
Thank you, Pat Kline, for adding in an "expert" opinion.

The necropsy did reveal hepatic lipidosis. I couldn't upload the actual docx file, but I just took a screen capture of it so I could add it to the "body of evidence."
 

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The seller does seem to have completely negated the fact that the animal definitely had Crypto, as tested and shown by ABT, reflected by the fact that they state " If the gecko ...."
There is no ' IF '. The animals was positive for Crypto.
Also , in regards to Health Certificates, all they state and all they prove, is that for the 2.5 minutes that the vet had their hands on the animal, that it appeared to be healthy, acted in a healthy manner during a visual inspection and that no visual parasites or wounds etc., were seen. Yes, there is more to it than that, but depends on the type of animal being seen. But that is a concise summation of what a health certificate provides information of.
 
You did a great job posting all your info. It's hard to ignore facts when they are presented so well.
 
For one, our lives do not revolve around the computer and I did not say all 400 geckos were tested, that would be one hell of a bill, we took multiple samples from different racks, rooms, etc. And
Ran slides and sent some in, our results have been negative and our animals are healthy
And show no signs of illness. There was and always will be sanitizer on our table at the shows, and flat out the necropsy report shows negative results with the entire remainder of the intact digestional tract. One test collected at home by the buyer showed positive, the owner did NOT have the
Test done by a vet, and the necropsy results with MULTIPLE test and procedures
All came back negative. Its right in the posted result. Now we do agree the facts
Are there, but read em before you get then twisted.
 
For one, our lives do not revolve around the computer and I did not say all 400 geckos were tested, that would be one hell of a bill, we took multiple samples from different racks, rooms, etc. And
Ran slides and sent some in, our results have been negative and our animals are healthy
And show no signs of illness. There was and always will be sanitizer on our table at the shows, and flat out the necropsy report shows negative results with the entire remainder of the intact digestional tract. One test collected at home by the buyer showed positive, the owner did NOT have the
Test done by a vet, and the necropsy results with MULTIPLE test and procedures
All came back negative. Its right in the posted result. Now we do agree the facts
Are there, but read em before you get then twisted.

You're going to try and "create spin" over $60? Incredible!:rolleyes:
 
Pat Kline posted some good info and gave positive review, & the recognition, of Avian Biotech. The OP did what she could.
That said, Crypto, or not, it is clear that the gecko was not a healthy animal. A refund should be given.
 
For one, our lives do not revolve around the computer and I did not say all 400 geckos were tested, that would be one hell of a bill, we took multiple samples from different racks, rooms, etc. And
Ran slides and sent some in, our results have been negative and our animals are healthy
And show no signs of illness. There was and always will be sanitizer on our table at the shows, and flat out the necropsy report shows negative results with the entire remainder of the intact digestional tract. One test collected at home by the buyer showed positive, the owner did NOT have the
Test done by a vet, and the necropsy results with MULTIPLE test and procedures
All came back negative. Its right in the posted result. Now we do agree the facts
Are there, but read em before you get then twisted.

Actually, in the posted conversation in post 5, you DID say that you have had ALL your gecko's tested. Was that a lie?
 
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