Bad Guy jordan russell..broker ..flipper,gone bad

[TIBOR PAPP]

I started a thread in feb about this and have been real patient...
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=453462&highlight=jordan+russell
gave him much time..have not bothered him or mentioned this to anyone since my last post in feb and not looking for any drama..just want to be paid its the summer and the reptile season is upon us.
so the first of june 2014 I emailed jordan from a ks ad asking if he can pay up @ the end of the month and heres his emails to me since..
Jordan Russell
To Me
Jun 4
I am happy to settle by the end of the month. All I need in exchange is for you to apologize for the libelous stuff you said about me.
i said ..sure after being paid..I will let everyone know! thanks
then again I emailed him @ the end of june..
No I don't care what anyone thinks. You owe ME an apology (not some website) and it's ridiculous that I should even have to ask for it. Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S®4 -------- Original message -----
Jun 5
really more..
californiabreedersunion
To Me
Jun 5
You were my friend and you lied about me, you threatened my friends, you were for lack of a better way to phrase it: insane. For a misunderstanding on on a phone number change. You're a grown ass man, I shouldn't need to tell you how completely out out of line you have been.
and more.. I said..
Hi Jordan.. end of the month today... its been a long wait..I would like to be square up ,tibor 951 943 1914
Jun 30
his.. To Me
Jun 30
Tibor,

My shipment from the Solomon Island has been delayed again, which is the source of my income for the month. It is allegedly due to arrive on the 12th or 13th of this month - but after 3 delays I can not promise anything at this point.

If you feel it is in your best interest to further tarnish my name, then so be it.

I would like for this to be over as much if not more than you, and move on in my life.

so when does it end almost 400 days later..nothing!
friends don't do this to friends..for someone that lives 20 minutes away..I have not seen him in over a year. very disappointing.

 

[David Scarboro]

Jordan, Do you owe this debt? If so, you need to pay up. Refusing to pay because your feelings are hurt is childish.

 

[California Breeders Union]

This is not due to resentment. I do believe I owe him the apology of this deal going awry, as much as he owes me an apology for making up some truly outrageous lies about our deal.

As I have offered before and I will offer again, you are welcome to take anything I have listed to clear this debt. I do not like the world knowing that I am not thriving financially and that is what it is: if I had to way to put this behind me I would have done so immediately.

I have a vested interest in putting this behind me, I do not want to hurt my name and I'd love to no longer have Tibor in my life. The moment I have the funds he will be paid in full. I am hoping the delays are over with my shipment and the moment I have my shipment land he will be paid in full.

Jordan

 

[David Scarboro]

This is not due to resentment. I do believe I owe him the apology of this deal going awry, as much as he owes me an apology for making up some truly outrageous lies about our deal.

As I have offered before and I will offer again, you are welcome to take anything I have listed to clear this debt. I do not like the world knowing that I am not thriving financially and that is what it is: if I had to way to put this behind me I would have done so immediately.

I have a vested interest in putting this behind me, I do not want to hurt my name and I'd love to no longer have Tibor in my life. The moment I have the funds he will be paid in full. I am hoping the delays are over with my shipment and the moment I have my shipment land he will be paid in full.

Jordan

That is a well written, intelligent response. Make good on the payment and this should not make much of a mark.

 

[Ken Foose]

I have never known Mr. Russell to not make good on a payment. We all go through these rough patches. I know I've had my share. Jordan is a man of his word, and I would trust him with everything I own. Period.

 

[David Scarboro]

I have never known Mr. Russell to not make good on a payment. We all go through these rough patches. I know I've had my share. Jordan is a man of his word, and I would trust him with everything I own. Period.

Ken, That is good and nothing that I have seen from Jordan previous to this would cause me to conclude any differently. However, as the OP states, the debt was almost 400 days old. Jordan has not disputed this. How long should
someone have to wait to be paid. Wouldn't you be impatient at that point?

 

[California Breeders Union]

The debt is not 400 days old. This is another of Tibors intentionally untrue statements. Including the total amount.

The animals were consigned 400 days ago. The animals were not selling. What had sold he was paid for. The animals he agreed we should trade for were not selling. I changed my phone number he thought I was avoiding him: but he was calling my old phone number. He called friends and threatened them and got legitimately scary. I found out about all of this along with the fact that he was upset all on the same day. And immediately reached out to him. Aside from the emails posted above and the fauna discourse we have had no communication since.

I offered him back the consigned animals ages ago, which he turned down.

This should all be clear in the previous thread.

The total was $4800 minus $800 in cages (he never has picked up in 400 days) minus $1500 cash I gave him. He claims I owe him $3500 no matter how you skin the cat that is incorrect. At this point I'd give him $3500 in animals just to be done even though I don't owe him that much.

 

[David Scarboro]

The debt is not 400 days old. This is another of Tibors intentionally untrue statements. Including the total amount.

The animals were consigned 400 days ago. The animals were not selling. What had sold he was paid for. The animals he agreed we should trade for were not selling. I changed my phone number he thought I was avoiding him: but he was calling my old phone number. He called friends and threatened them and got legitimately scary. I found out about all of this along with the fact that he was upset all on the same day. And immediately reached out to him. Aside from the emails posted above and the fauna discourse we have had no communication since.

I offered him back the consigned animals ages ago, which he turned down.

This should all be clear in the previous thread.

The total was $4800 minus $800 in cages (he never has picked up in 400 days) minus $1500 cash I gave him. He claims I owe him $3500 no matter how you skin the cat that is incorrect. At this point I'd give him $3500 in animals just to be done even though I don't owe him that much.

Mr. Papp, Unless you have some proof that Jordan's statement above is untrue, then perhaps you should just go get your animals and be done with this. I would advise both parties to have an additional person each present to insure civility.

 

[Ken Foose]

See, this is my problem with all of this. I sell animals for other people on consignment all the time. WHEN they sell, I give them money. If they NEVER sell, they go back to the owner or stay here and die of old age. Either way, this is a consignment deal. Jordan's paid the guy for what he has sold. He told the guy to take the unsold animals back. The guy refused. That's bull in my view. So now this guy is screaming that Jordan owes him money. There is something very wrong with all this. And the worst of the wrongness is that Jordan is too nice to just make him take the critters back and say off. I know I would. Jordan, this is all your fault. Stop being nice. Have you not learned anything from me? Pish posh.

 

[David Scarboro]

See, this is my problem with all of this. I sell animals for other people on consignment all the time. WHEN they sell, I give them money. If they NEVER sell, they go back to the owner or stay here and die of old age. Either way, this is a consignment deal. Jordan's paid the guy for what he has sold. He told the guy to take the unsold animals back. The guy refused. That's bull in my view. So now this guy is screaming that Jordan owes him money. There is something very wrong with all this. And the worst of the wrongness is that Jordan is too nice to just make him take the critters back and say off. I know I would. Jordan, this is all your fault. Stop being nice. Have you not learned anything from me? Pish posh.

Until Mr. Papp shows up with something different and PROOF, I have to agree.

 

[j_dunlavy]

Until Mr. Papp shows up with something different and PROOF, I have to agree.

Me too.

And really? another thread on the same topic? c'mon, just adding to the other thread would have been more appropriate.

When you consign something to be sold that does not mean that the person they are consigned to is obligated to buy them if they go unsold. The snakes are still owned by Tibor. If Tibor wants the money for them so badly, he ought to just pick them up and sell them himself.
Asking Jordan to pay for animals he agreed to sell on consignment is a forced sale; he agreed to sell them for Tibor, not buy them from Tibor.
If these animals were consigned and have gone unsold, then every week they sit there taking up space, eating requiring care, heat etc; these animals are already costing Jordan money.

This is a good reason to have a contract.
I have consigned art to be sold through a friend's gallery and he had me fill out the same contract and liability release that everyone else has to fill out. It can save a lot of trouble if a dispute arises.

 

[Lucille]

To the OP, get what you are owed and sell the stuff yourself. Geez. Jordan is one of the best of us, and I have his back. We all should.

Well said

Asking Jordan to pay for animals he agreed to sell on consignment is a forced sale; he agreed to sell them for Tibor, not buy them from Tibor.
If these animals were consigned and have gone unsold, then every week they sit there taking up space, eating requiring care, heat etc; these animals are already costing Jordan money.

Exactly. Tibor should be billed monthly for costs starting from the time he refused to pick up the consigned animals when they were not selling and when the return was proposed. If costs include time/labor which they should, there's quite a hefty bill waiting to be paid.

If Tibor picks up the snakes and drops the issue, Jordan might be kind enough to waive the bill, if Tibor wants to push the issue, at some point (soon) the reasonable charges for care may well exceed the stated worth of the critters.

 

[SofaKing]

what I don't get is if they live 20mins apart why is this on here in the first place and why the hell haven't you gone down to Jordans house 399 days ago?!

It sounds like Tibor, your letting this drag out as along as it has...

 

[Utta]

As I have offered before and I will offer again, you are welcome to take anything I have listed to clear this debt. If I had to way to put this behind me I would have done so immediately.

Jordan

It sounds like Tibor, your letting this drag out as along as it has...

To me, it sounds like Tibor is dragging this out on his own. Even *IF* and I do really have to stress the *IF* portion of this; If Jordan hasn't, up till this point, offered to Tibor any animal he has for sale currently to rectify this this, it's out there now.

Tibor, according to Jordan, still hasn't even picked up the cages to partially rectify ANY part of this. Why not at least go pick up the cages? That seems REALLY suspect to me.

(I've cut the posts and altered the grammar so the posts make sense)

 

[Ameivaboy]

If Tibor is only 20 mins away - I'd pack up the animals/cages/whatevers - drive to Tibors house, unload them, ring the door bell, say "here's your sh*t, end of transaction" and be on my way.
This thread is stupid

 

[Paul Kent]

As I have offered before and I will offer again, you are welcome to take anything I have listed to clear this debt.

Jordan

Curious, what "debt" have you incurred on a consignment? What were the terms you agreed to? As Ive always understood it a consignment has never been the same as a purchase. Which is the only case I could see where there would be a "debt". If what you have is really a consignment (by the real sense of the word) then you at no point have you ever owed him anything more than what you agreed to for the animals that have sold. And at any point if he's not happy with the agreement he can re-take possession and do it himself.

So, like I was asking, what were the details of the deal? That would tell a lot about whos at fault and whos owed what.

BTW, the only reason Im questioning it Jordan is because you describe it as a "debt". Which at first read sounds like a credit. (Im in no way laying blame in your direction BTW. I know your a stand up guy. Just something that stuck out at me)

 

[California Breeders Union]

I referred to it as a debt only to be noncombative, I would rather assume blame than bicker online over the semantics. I want this to be over. I sent Tibor an email earlier offering in more detail that I would appreciate him simply taking back what is here which is his (or substituting for any other animals in excess of the total by $1,000 of his choosing if he prefers). I just don't want to fight, I want this behind me. I hope we can come to a resolution.

 

[Amelanistic Orca]

I referred to it as a debt only to be noncombative, I would rather assume blame than bicker online over the semantics. I want this to be over. I sent Tibor an email earlier offering in more detail that I would appreciate him simply taking back what is here which is his (or substituting for any other animals in excess of the total by $1,000 of his choosing if he prefers). I just don't want to fight, I want this behind me. I hope we can come to a resolution.

Good man Jordan! Tibor's a crybaby...

Go get your stuff Tibor, QUIT TRYING TO STRONG ARM HIM FOR CASH!

GET OUT AND EARN YOUR OWN!

And furthermore... QUIT MASS PRODUCING STUFF YOU CAN'T SELL! This hobby doesn't need money hungry fools like you anymore Tibor!

 

[Paul Kent]

I referred to it as a debt only to be noncombative, I would rather assume blame than bicker online over the semantics. I want this to be over. I sent Tibor an email earlier offering in more detail that I would appreciate him simply taking back what is here which is his (or substituting for any other animals in excess of the total by $1,000 of his choosing if he prefers). I just don't want to fight, I want this behind me. I hope we can come to a resolution.

And thats a completely reasonable and better put very mature way to go about it. Kudos on a lot of levels Your a better man than I am for even offering something like that.

Tibor, take back your animals back and move on. You have no business harassing him about this.

Pretty ridiculous if you ask me....

 

[TIBOR PAPP]

thanks boi..I have received some emails from jordan and his tone is far better..

Tibor,

I would like to propose that we give you the cages and $3500 in animals and call this a wrap. I am mentally exhausted by this, and feel that at this time we simply are not seeing eye to eye.

The trades went round and round trying to find something which would sell. In the end there Is at mature pair of snow Rosies here which are technically yours. If you'd prefer something else: I will bend and you can select up to $3500 worth of animals from my availability listed here www.californiabreedersunion.com under availability.

The total was $4800
<$800 cages>
<$1500 cash>
$2500 balance
I feel this is fair. If we can do this I will arrange with a mututal friend and have it delivered.
and I said..
no thanks, I need 1500 cash now... and the rest can wait...I'm exhausted as well!
and another..
To Me
Today at 7:38 AM
I'm not negotiating. I will arrange to have your cages and animals delivered next week. I would prefer not to risk an animals life by them sitting in the sun.

I will have your property returned to you Tuesday evening after 4:30pm.

whats really strange is this text robin has from jordan in nov...

we would have taken them back then...so we were left empty handed
no boa breeder would accept them after 400 days..I will not accept that and I'll never sign off on this post.
I'm 25 yrs older than jordan and not rolling over..I will bend..this is my best offer to him to clear this up.
$1500 and the 4 stack of ap cages or $2000 and done..let him pick..I can pickup with cash in an envelope..or he can paypal.
its a shame for sure.. enough time has passed and should be settled.
In all honesty jordan is a well liked guy ..very knowledgable..and if he has an ad for a nice animal and you can pay for sure you will get a smooth transaction.what went wrong with him and I..is sad...we both want to move on.