Robert Walker
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Bad Guy Tony121204/Anthony Pappas is a scammer
- Thread starter texassaddleman
- Start date
I'll pause for 24hrs to help you out. Make zero mistakes this was no giant misunderstanding, this is a wrong (scam) that is being set right under the pressure of the BOI.
hhmoore
tired & cranky shadow
Ordinarily, I would remove this post, as it is in violation of the full name rule....but it serves a purpose.
1) The (expired/invalid) ID you provided showed your name to be Sherman C Cogar - NOT Charles Cogar, Jr. Now, that C might stand for Charles; but, if you are a junior, it should be reflected on the DL.
2) According to the ID, your wife would have been nearly 23 yrs older than you. Certainly not impossible, but I'm not buying it - in part because you haven't presented yourself as a pillar of honesty, thus far.
3) I find it questionable that somebody named Sherman has the nickname Micheal (not even Mike). It's not that I don't know a number of people that don't go by their given first names...but, again, you don't give much reason to believe your explanations for these inconsistencies.
Mr Cogar,
Just as a reminder - You provided an invalid ID - it was 2 yrs expired, and it showed a name and DOB that are in conflict with your registration info here. You were given 48 hrs by Dennis, which means you have 24 hrs left to provide a valid ID (unless he decides to end this sooner, based on the ID provided)
hhmoore
tired & cranky shadow
Mr Cogar,
As you were previously advised - real names are required on the BOI. I'm tired of removing your posts, so the next one you make in this thread had better be an explanation of why you changed your name from Cogar to Pappas (or was it the other way around). You mentioned that you got remarried - let me guess, you took your wife's last name? I'd like that...but, given that the expired ID you provided was issued 2 yrs before the death of Michele Pappas - and showed the name Cogar - I'd have to call BS, again.
As you were previously advised - real names are required on the BOI. I'm tired of removing your posts, so the next one you make in this thread had better be an explanation of why you changed your name from Cogar to Pappas (or was it the other way around). You mentioned that you got remarried - let me guess, you took your wife's last name? I'd like that...but, given that the expired ID you provided was issued 2 yrs before the death of Michele Pappas - and showed the name Cogar - I'd have to call BS, again.
Dennis Hultman
New member
Well this was the final nail.
The phone number that "Mr. Pappas" used on this site was not that number.
It was 732-720-3085.
However, With help from other members that phone number on the label is the phone number used by DnaReptiles0511 alias "Mr. Cogar" to contact members on this site. the number was given out in two variations to different people.
732-768-6525
(732) 765-6525
So the shipping information on the label sent by "Tony" is the contact information sent by "Mr. Cougar" to people who responded to his ads.
Done playing this game.
Dennis Hultman
New member
Tony121204 " Mr. Pappas", your shill account as been banned. Your posting from both accounts no-doubt. I suggest you comply with Harald's request immediately or both your accounts will be gone.
Dennis Hultman
New member
I would have responded just privately to this but what you state goes to the heart of this thread. Who you really are.
Private messages just sent.
You stated in this very thread that it was a scam, that's why you deleted the ads. Now you're stating its not and you want it deleted because you fulfilled your initial promise to supply what you advertised?
You stated under this username that you were the father and that it was your son that did the scamming and you were fixing it. Now you are stating the other username is your step-father, That makes you the son that did the initial scamming and posting of ads. Does it not?
If he truly is your stepfather then he has none to blame but you. You caused this nobody here.
While I sympathize with the person that is trying to get full restitution from you, were not going to sit by and let you make a mockery of the rules on this site.
Until you both present a valid picture ID with your correct names both accounts will be banned.
Not our problem.
So you posted the ads both on your step fathers account and this one because they are identical. Both accounts acted like they didn't know each other and now you are shipping and contacting people under the same number.
You're responsible for any headaches about your name and reputation. So don't give me grief about what you have done.
You stated on the thread that it was your son that did all of this and he was scamming people. That you were fixing it.
Now your the son?
But let me tell you, I have looked at the communication between both accounts and there is zero doubt that some of the communication on both accounts is coming from the same person.
That is also against the sites rules.
The accounts are being shared regardless.
Send a valid photo ID or don't bother coming back. That goes for both you and your other self. If it's your stepfather then he just has you to blame.
Also, you are the one using the name Kate Ellis in your communication with buyers, paypal and shipping out.
So what do you mean about the name Kate Ellis being used is a violation? You are the one using it. Just another violation on your part your admitting?
Matter of fact, the only link we have to a real name here is that one. It's on the mailing labels. Delta dash requires the ID so I'm assuming she had to provide it? Why else would you use the name to ship? Can't supply your own ID? Why? You got really upset when the name was posted on the forum then you shipped out under that name. That name seems to be touchy with you to have it removed but you keep using it when you have to supply payment information and shipping.
Kate Ellis is the name used on PayPal. It really is the only solid name that links these Alias' together. Are you really Kate Ellis? I don't know but I'm not standing here trying to figure it. Let the BOI handle it.
The information will not be deleted.
Private messages just sent.
Tony121204 said:
Tony121204 said:
Tony121204 said:
You stated in this very thread that it was a scam, that's why you deleted the ads. Now you're stating its not and you want it deleted because you fulfilled your initial promise to supply what you advertised?
You stated under this username that you were the father and that it was your son that did the scamming and you were fixing it. Now you are stating the other username is your step-father, That makes you the son that did the initial scamming and posting of ads. Does it not?
If he truly is your stepfather then he has none to blame but you. You caused this nobody here.
While I sympathize with the person that is trying to get full restitution from you, were not going to sit by and let you make a mockery of the rules on this site.
Until you both present a valid picture ID with your correct names both accounts will be banned.
Not our problem.
So you posted the ads both on your step fathers account and this one because they are identical. Both accounts acted like they didn't know each other and now you are shipping and contacting people under the same number.
You're responsible for any headaches about your name and reputation. So don't give me grief about what you have done.
You stated on the thread that it was your son that did all of this and he was scamming people. That you were fixing it.
Now your the son?
But let me tell you, I have looked at the communication between both accounts and there is zero doubt that some of the communication on both accounts is coming from the same person.
That is also against the sites rules.
The accounts are being shared regardless.
Send a valid photo ID or don't bother coming back. That goes for both you and your other self. If it's your stepfather then he just has you to blame.
Also, you are the one using the name Kate Ellis in your communication with buyers, paypal and shipping out.
So what do you mean about the name Kate Ellis being used is a violation? You are the one using it. Just another violation on your part your admitting?
Matter of fact, the only link we have to a real name here is that one. It's on the mailing labels. Delta dash requires the ID so I'm assuming she had to provide it? Why else would you use the name to ship? Can't supply your own ID? Why? You got really upset when the name was posted on the forum then you shipped out under that name. That name seems to be touchy with you to have it removed but you keep using it when you have to supply payment information and shipping.
Kate Ellis is the name used on PayPal. It really is the only solid name that links these Alias' together. Are you really Kate Ellis? I don't know but I'm not standing here trying to figure it. Let the BOI handle it.
The information will not be deleted.
Dennis Hultman
New member
The more I think about the more I think the name Kate Ellis has a greater significance. After-all, It is the email address that "Tony's" account used to register on this site. This whole transaction centers around that name and the profile here.
juliasara
New member
After all of this I am left with a lot of questions and don't believe a word that this person or people have said. I understand the op got the torts but were those torts really tonys to sell? If I were on the op's shoes I wouldn't be comfortable with any of this.. I'm very trtrusting and tried to give this person many chances to prove themselves but they still haven't. Yes they sent the torts I know that's what he's going to say "but I sent the torts, I'm not a scammer" at this point I think for anyone to believe this person they need to prove exactly who they are and that the torts were really theirs (other then the babies I've produced which I have pictures of hatching or just after hatching I have a paper trail for each and every reptile I own and can prove in a few min that they belong to me)
Dennis Hultman
New member
Another point to keep in mind to the whole credibility issue that the other account is his stepfather's and not his. Not that anymore really is needed.
When Tony first started replying on this thread he stated his son did all this and it was a scam. He was fixing the transaction and had just this one to finish.
The ad originally appeared under "Tony's" name first on 9/7. The same ad that he admitted was originally a scam and the others.
The other account "DnaReptiles0511" didn't register until almost a month after "Tony's" account registered here and didn't post the same ad for the sulcatas until 10/5.
So if that account is completely separate and is his stepfather's, why would his stepfather also post a bogus ad for the sulcatas a month later?
It wouldn't happen if it was a separate account.
When Tony first started replying on this thread he stated his son did all this and it was a scam. He was fixing the transaction and had just this one to finish.
The ad originally appeared under "Tony's" name first on 9/7. The same ad that he admitted was originally a scam and the others.
The other account "DnaReptiles0511" didn't register until almost a month after "Tony's" account registered here and didn't post the same ad for the sulcatas until 10/5.
So if that account is completely separate and is his stepfather's, why would his stepfather also post a bogus ad for the sulcatas a month later?
It wouldn't happen if it was a separate account.
hhmoore
tired & cranky shadow
Dennis,
His time is up; but I won't be able to access the verification account until sometime tomorrow afternoon. Feel free to remove him if he hasn't complied.
His time is up; but I won't be able to access the verification account until sometime tomorrow afternoon. Feel free to remove him if he hasn't complied.
Dennis Hultman
New member
Dennis Hultman
New member
Done.
Dennis Hultman
New member
I really hope that he makes it fully right with you and doesn't use the status of his account here not to honor his agreements.
It will show if he actually was correcting the situation to do what is right or to just get his account(s) out of hot water thinking somehow all this could be deleted which he has asked us on several occasions.
Neither account will be back without sending valid identification for the names listed on them.
Good Luck
Robert Walker
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Okay, 24hrs has gone by, what is the verdict & full disclosure?
One down
Two down
texassaddleman
New member
Ok, here's where it stands. Toni sent me two torts that I picked up yesterday. The ad said the male is" nearly two feet " and the female is " 20/22 inches" and produced 8 clutches last year. I never heard of a sulcata prouducing eight clutches but he told me early on that he took them in on trade and that's what he was told.The male is 23/24" but the female is 13/14". I called him after I picked them up and told him that I doubt she had ever produced and at that size, she shouldn't have been bred. I wanted a breeding pair of torts and these are not it. After some discussion I told him he could refund my money and pay shipping and I would send them back or he could refund half my money and I would keep the torts. The female is blowing bubbles from her nose, it will be a year or two at least before she will breed, I missed a couple days work the two or three times he was going to ship them before, not to mention it's been six weeks or so of headaches so I think that is more than fair. I gave him 24hrs to refund $600 of the $1200 I paid. That was up at about 3:00pm and that turned into 4 or 5:00pm and that turned into 6:00pm and then it was $300 today and $300 tomorrow or he can send me the torts his cousin has that are bigger. I can't tell you how it's gonna turn out but all I can do is wait but my claim is still filed with the cc company so wait is all I can do.
hhmoore
tired & cranky shadow
Now they're cousins? This is one of the PMs I received from DNA Reptiles0511
You may have to revise your claim - contact them tomorrow.
texassaddleman
New member
I filed it through my bank so I'll call tomorrow and see what I need to do.
This is a strange deal. I think it's a scam then he says or does something to make me think he just screwed up. My best guess is that something went south on a deal he made before mine and he lost the money he had and rather than come clean he tried to lie his way out of it and got caught. I still have some questions that he didnt answer. I'm not satisfied at this point but if he does what he says he will I'll be ok but that seems like a big if. I also think that the BOI brought us to this place but now he's been kicked off and he says he wants to make it right anyway so we will see.
This is a strange deal. I think it's a scam then he says or does something to make me think he just screwed up. My best guess is that something went south on a deal he made before mine and he lost the money he had and rather than come clean he tried to lie his way out of it and got caught. I still have some questions that he didnt answer. I'm not satisfied at this point but if he does what he says he will I'll be ok but that seems like a big if. I also think that the BOI brought us to this place but now he's been kicked off and he says he wants to make it right anyway so we will see.
Robert Walker
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So this means you "spoke" to a man correct, not a female (Kate Ellis)?
Old man or young man?
Who did he explain is Kate Ellis?
He has been kicked off simply because he would not provide a valid ID. 5 minutes and presto, he could have solved that IF he wasn't hiding who he is.
Ordering a new BMW at full price but only getting a car without the engine is a scam. In the world of reptiles you have received the car without the engine if you have an animal that is misrepresented and sick at that.
There are several reasons he/she could have sent some torts, none of which are noble reasons either.
I hope your bank helps out and things work out on that end. Before McKathony got banned we all had to read her/his incoherent ever evolving stories, glad that is done now.
texassaddleman
New member
I spoke to what sounded like a young to middle age adult male, I believe Kate Ellis to be his girlfriend.
You are correct. I got a car with no motor. I don't know the dictionary definition of scam but the last one was what I think was someone from another country advertising something just a little better than it should be for the price. After I paid for it they strung me along until I had had enough and then they disappeared never to be heard from again. I think they moved on to open another ebay acct, Paypal acct ect. That's what I thought was about to happen in this case but it was different. Now,,,,,, did I get screwed???? So far, the answer to that is yes. Did Tony lie? Ask him, I think he will tell you he did. He told me he did. If he had owned up to it early on this wouldn't be happening. Would I do business with him again? On a COD basis only. The deal he's offering me is a good deal for me cause he owes me a good deal. Will he follow thru? We will see. But I think if he does it will be to make good on a bad deal, I don't think he has any misguided hopes of doing business with us again.
Right now I feel like I'm out $1200 and I'm pissed about it. But,,, I'm 58 years old and in my life I've done some things that I'm not proud of. A few people gave me a chance to make it right and I think those people made me a better person. If he set out to scam me I hope the SOB gets hit by a truck but if he didn't and he wants to make it right, this is his chance.
You are correct. I got a car with no motor. I don't know the dictionary definition of scam but the last one was what I think was someone from another country advertising something just a little better than it should be for the price. After I paid for it they strung me along until I had had enough and then they disappeared never to be heard from again. I think they moved on to open another ebay acct, Paypal acct ect. That's what I thought was about to happen in this case but it was different. Now,,,,,, did I get screwed???? So far, the answer to that is yes. Did Tony lie? Ask him, I think he will tell you he did. He told me he did. If he had owned up to it early on this wouldn't be happening. Would I do business with him again? On a COD basis only. The deal he's offering me is a good deal for me cause he owes me a good deal. Will he follow thru? We will see. But I think if he does it will be to make good on a bad deal, I don't think he has any misguided hopes of doing business with us again.
Right now I feel like I'm out $1200 and I'm pissed about it. But,,, I'm 58 years old and in my life I've done some things that I'm not proud of. A few people gave me a chance to make it right and I think those people made me a better person. If he set out to scam me I hope the SOB gets hit by a truck but if he didn't and he wants to make it right, this is his chance.
LauraB
CLOSED ACCOUNT
Ricky, I do not doubt one word you have spoken in this thread. I would love, just as other dedicated members would, and have taken much time and effort, to completely expose this/these liars/scammers.
Please, please take photos of the torts you received. The original ads are cached and have been saved and will back your claims completely. I honestly did not think you would get anything but a couple of large rocks in that red container, despite all the bs talk and photo of the shipment.
They did it once, they will do it again. You deserve better, the torts deserve better and the thieves/liars deserve complete exposure.
Please, please take photos of the torts you received. The original ads are cached and have been saved and will back your claims completely. I honestly did not think you would get anything but a couple of large rocks in that red container, despite all the bs talk and photo of the shipment.
They did it once, they will do it again. You deserve better, the torts deserve better and the thieves/liars deserve complete exposure.