David Scarboro
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You are here now, so why not tell us how you took care of this customer for the DOA. You stated that you did, so praytell.
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Good Guy !!!Andrew Hermes from ATC, THE BEST GUY FOR TRUE CB TORTOISES!!!!
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David Scarboro
Active member
Also Andrew, Perhaps you could enlighten us as to the nature your relationship with Kevin Zhang, who started this thread. You obviously have done business with him. Maybe under an alias? He seems to have a number of them. Too bad he is banned, I would love to hear from him again.
Arizona Tortoise Compound
Member
David. Please calm down. I have not publicly directed any hate toward you, maybe a little frustration. I apologize for that.
I did address Harald's question through a Private Message.
Harald's question -
Andrew - I didn't closely follow the original thread...in fact, I'm not even sure I looked at it until it the recent group of threads started appearing. As such, I may well have overlooked something, or misunderstood the situation.
Would you mind describing how you dealt with the DOA?
In the case of the DOA, I many times offered to make things right through many means. No offers would work to resolve the situation. No resolve was wanted from the party. Recently after 2 years the party has stated now they want something. I offered for them to come down and pick up items. Still to this day, I have never received a phone call, email or anything from the party since the bad guy thread was started. Two years later some people are still trying to bash my recent good guy threads due to them not fully understanding both sides of the misunderstanding. Its pretty horrible.
I provide quality tortoises to the public through Arizona Tortoise Compound. Everyday we strive to ensure the health of our tortoises and have happy long lasting customers, just like our tortoises. By creating a reputable business customers can come purchase without the worry if there tortoises will ever show up. By selling as a business and not a sole persons name, this provides are customer base to have security in holding us responsible for anything. Even misunderstanding. Some mistakes happen and unforeseen circumstances arise. Like any good business, things are learned through mistakes. Once a mistake happens and is learned, it rarely happens again. The enjoyment of breeding tortoises, further helping the species and watching the excitement of others that are able to maintain them with our help is very rewarding!!! I would not be doing anything else but this. Even with misunderstandings and bad guy threads. For many more continued years we will be apart of the tortoise community, further breeding and helping with tortoise species that are in decline in there native environments.
http://www.arizonatortoisecompound.com/About.html
http://www.arizonatortoisecompound.com/
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Arizona-Tortoise-Compound/179857695368687
I did address Harald's question through a Private Message.
Harald's question -
Andrew - I didn't closely follow the original thread...in fact, I'm not even sure I looked at it until it the recent group of threads started appearing. As such, I may well have overlooked something, or misunderstood the situation.
Would you mind describing how you dealt with the DOA?
In the case of the DOA, I many times offered to make things right through many means. No offers would work to resolve the situation. No resolve was wanted from the party. Recently after 2 years the party has stated now they want something. I offered for them to come down and pick up items. Still to this day, I have never received a phone call, email or anything from the party since the bad guy thread was started. Two years later some people are still trying to bash my recent good guy threads due to them not fully understanding both sides of the misunderstanding. Its pretty horrible.
I provide quality tortoises to the public through Arizona Tortoise Compound. Everyday we strive to ensure the health of our tortoises and have happy long lasting customers, just like our tortoises. By creating a reputable business customers can come purchase without the worry if there tortoises will ever show up. By selling as a business and not a sole persons name, this provides are customer base to have security in holding us responsible for anything. Even misunderstanding. Some mistakes happen and unforeseen circumstances arise. Like any good business, things are learned through mistakes. Once a mistake happens and is learned, it rarely happens again. The enjoyment of breeding tortoises, further helping the species and watching the excitement of others that are able to maintain them with our help is very rewarding!!! I would not be doing anything else but this. Even with misunderstandings and bad guy threads. For many more continued years we will be apart of the tortoise community, further breeding and helping with tortoise species that are in decline in there native environments.
http://www.arizonatortoisecompound.com/About.html
http://www.arizonatortoisecompound.com/
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Arizona-Tortoise-Compound/179857695368687
I sent ErikL (the recipient of the DOA) an email just now with a link to this thread and a query about whether he had been taken care of. I hope he will reply.
Arizona Tortoise Compound
Member
Kevin was a good customer for years. He recently got arrested for smuggling tortoises to China. He is in jail, so I do not think you will ever hear from him again! Far as I am concerned that is where he belongs for smuggling!
His original post was 100% of his own doing and was very truthful. As a business relationship he was a very polite gentleman that was understanding, patient and paid on time. It's too bad he took the path he chose...... that all I know of Kevin.
His original post was 100% of his own doing and was very truthful. As a business relationship he was a very polite gentleman that was understanding, patient and paid on time. It's too bad he took the path he chose...... that all I know of Kevin.
parrotlady
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I have been following this thread, first I want to say I have had a couple of very smooth transactions with Andrew. Once he shipped a male golden greek tortoise, it was well packed an received on time. The second time I went to his compound to pick up a adult male Babcocki Leopard Tortoise. Both times after getting the animals I proceeded to have them vet checked. The animals were healthy and had normal checks for parasites.
Would I recommend Andrew to others, the answer is yes. I am glad that he has attempted to rectify the situation that happened two years ago. I hope both parties can reach an amicable settlement.
Would I recommend Andrew to others, the answer is yes. I am glad that he has attempted to rectify the situation that happened two years ago. I hope both parties can reach an amicable settlement.
David Scarboro
Active member
I am glad you had a good transaction Adeen. Did you read the original thread? Basically Andrew traded a tortoise. The tortoise Andrew shipped was doa. According to reports it was improperly packaged. Proof was provided to Andrew of the doa at which time he stated that the one he received had also died. He provided no proof. He did make an offer to sell another tortoise at his cost. That is not fixing things and is CERTAINLY not an amicable settlement. Everyone is a great seller until things go wrong. Then you get to find out what kind of seller they really are. How would you feel if you received an improperly packed, DEAD, expensive Tortoise that the shipper refused to replace or at least make a decent attempt to refund or make right? Would you still have that warm fuzzy feeling? Go read the original thread and let us know.
parrotlady
New member
Yes, I read the original thread! Yes, I agree that things should of been done differently. Should have and could have is two different things. I hope both parties can learn from the incident. Yes, I have received DOA animals, does that leave a warm fuzzy feeling? I think you can answer that yourself. Don't make hasty judgements about other peoples feelings.
Again,I hope both parties can reach a resolution.
Again,I hope both parties can reach a resolution.
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Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 3:32:12 PM
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No, he has not taken care of me. Thank you for asking. Erik
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> Erik, I am following up on your BOI thread about ATC. Another thread was started and ATC has said he took care of you, did he do so? Thanks, Lucille
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To: "Lucille @ FaunaClassifieds" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 3:32:12 PM
Subject: Re: BOI
No, he has not taken care of me. Thank you for asking. Erik
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David Scarboro
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If you will read post 29, Andrew is now outed as a liar. And as far as judgements about you, I did not make any. I merely asked a question which you evidently did not understand.
Arizona Tortoise Compound
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David Scarboro
Active member
You are still a liar, You stated that you have dealt with the DOA in your bad guy post. You made a half assed offer which was not accepted. That is not "dealt with" at all. Keep on posting, and twisting things and see where it finally gets you. Make it right with the OP. Too many unproven statements from you, including the one about the tortoise you received in the trade dying with no proof whatsoever. If I came and take all your tortoises, will you call me a good guy if I give half of them back?
I asked Erik (the recipient of the DOA) what he thought would be reasonable and he had no problem providing what seems to be a workable solution, which leads me to believe that ATC did not try very hard (or at all) to really settle the issue. Here is what Erik wrote:
"I would be happy with three baby radiateds shipped via air freight to the sacramento airport. His price he told me was $800 ea, so a $2400 value compared to the over $3000 I'm out on this deal. I suggested that in a previous post but he came up with that odd counter. I wish he would have just sent my female and the $1000 check back in the beginning and this whole thing could have been avoided. Thanks, Erik "
"I would be happy with three baby radiateds shipped via air freight to the sacramento airport. His price he told me was $800 ea, so a $2400 value compared to the over $3000 I'm out on this deal. I suggested that in a previous post but he came up with that odd counter. I wish he would have just sent my female and the $1000 check back in the beginning and this whole thing could have been avoided. Thanks, Erik "