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Info Ben Siegel Troubles

BTW, what icon choice did I have as the op when I created this thread? Bad guy, good guy, inquiry, information. I struggled a bit over this before I posted and chose the icon that I though was most appropriate. Informative.
 
Pink Lady Exotics said:
No one is labeling or assuming anything. Ben's disorders are already known to many people and confirmed by those who know him well.

A variety of people are seeing the news headlines and want to jump to assumptions about Ben's business and how he conducts it. The discussion regarding his mental illness in this thread revolve around helping people UNDERSTAND what Ben is dealing with in order to DEFEND his business and DEFEND him as both a businessman and a fellow hobbyist. It is extremely relevant and pertinent to the BOI given that some are deriving negative opinions of his business based on these events, and should be given information and viewpoints from the opposite side as well in order to have a fair and balanced evaluation. Unless you'd rather we just remain silent and let all sorts of people read the news and refuse to do business with Ben because they think he's a mean, self-centered animal abuser without knowing any of the truth behind it?
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Exactly. WE are not diagnosing Ben with Bipolar -- he has a KNOWN MEDICAL HISTORY of it that has been discussed and openly stated at various times in the past. We're mentioning it because, although it is a documented fact, it is not tremendously well known. Bringing it to light helps explain his incredibly erratic behaviour lately, and makes it a lot more clear that this is a mental health issue above all else.
 
RachelSS said:
As someone working in the medical field, I can assure you it is INCREDIBLY bad taste for anyone to label, diagnose or assume things about a person without any sort of prior history or medical background. It's horribly unprofessional and is in no way, shape, or form a justification to provide background on someone they have never met nor treated.
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As someone in the medical field, I assure you that discussions about the nature of mental illness have been swept under the table for far too long. Much of what has been said is general in nature, in an attempt to help others understand.
Information about Ben in particular was already out there, but many have discussed themselves, their acquaintances or friends/family.

Not only do I disagree with the 'let's keep it all hidden' view, I feel that this thread is a gift- to Ben, so that more may have the opportunity to understand this particular incident; to readers, that they may because of this thread feel comfortable discussing mental illness which is a misunderstood topic and often hushed, and a gift to each and every one of us who value the freedom afforded to us on this site, to discuss important and relevant information secure in the knowledge that as long as we are courteous, we may voice what we feel is important.
 
Lucille said:
As someone in the medical field, I assure you that discussions about the nature of mental illness have been swept under the table for far too long. Much of what has been said is general in nature, in an attempt to help others understand.
Information about Ben in particular was already out there, but many have discussed themselves, their acquaintances or friends/family.

Not only do I disagree with the 'let's keep it all hidden' view, I feel that this thread is a gift- to Ben, so that more may have the opportunity to understand this particular incident; to readers, that they may because of this thread feel comfortable discussing mental illness which is a misunderstood topic and often hushed, and a gift to each and every one of us who value the freedom afforded to us on this site, to discuss important and relevant information secure in the knowledge that as long as we are courteous, we may voice what we feel is important.
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I had a decent reply to send back but if you're claiming to be a medical professional inferring from my post that I don't support brining awareness to mental illness you don't deserve a genuine reply.

This is why I personally feel there are issues with the integrity of the boi. Everyone takes any disagreement as a personal attack and takes things to extremes. It's a joke. If you read through the thread you will see plenty of posts that have nothing to do with BSR and just anecdotes about other people's experience with mental illness. This is not the place for it.
 
RachelSS said:
This is why I personally feel there are issues with the integrity of the boi. Everyone takes any disagreement as a personal attack and takes things to extremes. It's a joke. If you read through the thread you will see plenty of posts that have nothing to do with BSR and just anecdotes about other people's experience with mental illness. This is not the place for it.
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First, I don't see anyone taking anything that you said as a personal attack. Second, a man in the business of selling animals is in jail on charges of animal cruelty. It seems like a no brainer to question whether or not he has any business staying in this business and whether someone should support him by purchasing animals from his business given the animal abuse charge. Without the mental illness discussion, I would have though of him as an abusive person who doesn't deserve to own this type of business, but the mental illness complicates a cut and dry answer to these questions. So, the mental illness is absolutely relevant to a discussion that explores his innate character verses his recent actions.

As for BOI rules, you are breaking one by being insulting toward Lucille.
 
Rachel, you're the only one who is taking disagreements as a personal attack. We're sharing opinions that differ from yours. Plain and simple.
 
SirenSanJose said:
Exactly. WE are not diagnosing Ben with Bipolar -- he has a KNOWN MEDICAL HISTORY of it that has been discussed and openly stated at various times in the past. We're mentioning it because, although it is a documented fact, it is not tremendously well known. Bringing it to light helps explain his incredibly erratic behaviour lately, and makes it a lot more clear that this is a mental health issue above all else.
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Typing in caps drives the point home

How can you in one post, just this one, say he has a known medical history but it isn't tremendously well known?

Yikes.
 
RachelSS said:
I had a decent reply to send back but if you're claiming to be a medical professional inferring from my post that I don't support brining awareness to mental illness you don't deserve a genuine reply.

This is why I personally feel there are issues with the integrity of the boi. Everyone takes any disagreement as a personal attack and takes things to extremes. It's a joke. If you read through the thread you will see plenty of posts that have nothing to do with BSR and just anecdotes about other people's experience with mental illness. This is not the place for it.
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Thank you for expressing your OPINION about how I run this site. But that's all it is. Just an opinion. And what appears to be a minority one, at that. That being said, YOU do not run this place. YOU do not decide what this is and is not the place for. YOU do not call the shots here. I do. You don't like this attitude neither? Tough. Get over yourself. You came here to address what I do, I did not come to you where ever you hang out.

So here is a suggestion that I hope you will take to heart. STOP belittling this site and the management in this thread. There is a Feedback Forum on this site where such complaints can be expressed and addressed. Hopefully a word to the wise (an unsupported by evidence presumption) will be sufficient.
 
WebSlave said:
Thank you for expressing your OPINION about how I run this site. But that's all it is. Just an opinion. And what appears to be a minority one, at that. That being said, YOU do not run this place. YOU do not decide what this is and is not the place for. YOU do not call the shots here. I do. You don't like this attitude neither? Tough. Get over yourself. You came here to address what I do, I did not come to you where ever you hang out.

So here is a suggestion that I hope you will take to heart. STOP belittling this site and the management in this thread. There is a Feedback Forum on this site where such complaints can be expressed and addressed. Hopefully a word to the wise (an unsupported by evidence presumption) will be sufficient.
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Will I get negative reputation there too for expressing an unpopular but still relevant opinion?

:)
 
RachelSS said:
Will I get negative reputation there too for expressing an unpopular but still relevant opinion?

:)
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Perhaps. But I KNOW you are earning infractions now for off topic posting. So suit yourself. I guess the word to the "wise" didn't hit the target I had hoped for.
 
WebSlave said:
Perhaps. But I KNOW you are earning infractions now for off topic posting. So suit yourself. I guess the word to the "wise" didn't hit the target I had hoped for.
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Like I said, you take things personally and it's laughable when there are plenty of posts in here NOT talking about Ben as a businessman and his company.

Infract away, I said what was the unpopular opinion. He was a great guy to do business with and I wish him nothing but the best for him, his company and his family.

Toodles ~
 
RachelSS said:
Like I said, you take things personally and it's laughable when there are plenty of posts in here NOT talking about Ben as a businessman and his company.

Infract away, I said what was the unpopular opinion. He was a great guy to do business with and I wish him nothing but the best for him, his company and his family.

Toodles ~
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You attacked me personally in the manner under which I run this site. Or do you have issues with understanding what the words you type actually mean? Remember the "joke" comments? That wasn't a personal slap from you? Who do you think made the guidelines that the moderators follow?

Just because you do not understand how this forum is run does not make your opinion appear to be more enlightened and informed because of that ignorance. Quite the reverse, honestly. Members discussing personal issues related to someone engaging in business is certainly fair game here, and that is exactly what has taken place in this thread. There are countless incidents that have taken place in the past that pursued similar paths. I am sorry that you are ignorant of this fact, but you are the only one who can correct that deficiency in your understanding when you are presented with evidence and guidance trying to counter your ignorance.

And yes, I will "infract away" as needed and considered appropriate. You are probably one short infraction away from being banned now as it is. So further discretion on your part is strongly advised. The infractions are one way that management here tries to clear up ignorance of the rules of this site, and it appears necessary to be applied in your case. So please try to end your ignorance before the infraction process kicks in an automated ban.
 
Ah, so you can call ME names and infract me, neg rep me, and "reprimand" me openly and I'm supposed to learn a lesson here for posting my experience with Ben.

Got it.
 
RachelSS said:
Ah, so you can call ME names and infract me, neg rep me, and "reprimand" me openly and I'm supposed to learn a lesson here for posting my experience with Ben.

Got it.
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Good to see you working on that ignorance thing. Here's some more help in that department: When you kick a hornet's nest, don't be surprised at the painful stings that will result. Got it now?
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