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Bad Guy Avangel Reptiles- parasitic reptiles, and more

here are some of the other pictures from my document.. i restarted my computer and it seems to be letting me upload pics now.
Here are all of the conversations between us (between this post and the next since it looks like i can only add 4 pics at a time)
 

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Not sure how to copy the quote in post 18, but Chaz' excuse that because there are worse things a gecko with parasites is the 'least of inhunan' is a really, really lame excuse. With this logic you could excuse almost any cruely. Doesn't fly.
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This is Bubba. He's a WC lines E.m. macualrius, which is what I was told he was. He is thinner then he was on his site photo. Not horrendous, just not up to par. He has not been interested in food at all yet, but Im hoping that its from being shipped and the stress. He has loose foods of skin that kinda hang. I think I described him to Chaz, when I got him, as looking deflated. Here are his before and after pics.

This is Bubba.


This is the leo that I was sent.






Heres is one I was sent of Bubba.




This is the female Ray Hine hypo cross. She is the offspring of Bubba. This bit of info was included with the tub they were sent in on a sticky note. If i had known that info, I would have not gotten her, as Im not wanting to line breed her to her father. BUT it may be that I can not use any of them as breeders as I have, really, no background info on them. No hatch dates. No nothing. I don't even know how old they are. Chaz said the info was lost on his computer. I think I was lucky to get "updated" photos.

Here is the Hypo.



Here is the leo I was sent. She is the most healthiest of the 4. More body fat then the others. But you can tell she should be a little bit bigger. Even in the before pic off the site, she's bigger.





Heres a photo I was sent as an "update".




So as you can see, these two are not bad off. They are NOT the same as pictured. They are very very dull in color, as all of them are. That took me by surprise. Oswald being so so skinny was another surprise. I knew he was slim, but not like that. The pin worms that Im treating in Sarafina....disgusting. NONE of my leos have had this issue. NONE. How much stress does a leo have to be under to have that happen? Not something that "just happens" really. Im not even seeking any type of reimbursement at this moment in time. If the fecal test comes back negative, then I will go from there. The vet is in the wings for the other fecal tests, as soon as I get more poop that is usable.

I have all my PMs,and can screen shot them all if needed. But I think the photos speak for themselves. I have nothing to gain by posting falsehoods. I have everything to loose if these animals are infectious. They are being treated as such now. Its not fair that these animals have to be the ones to suffer. My main goal is to inform, and hope that eventually, I can get my leos well to almost 100%.


Heres is, also, the photo of the pinworms from Sarafina. They are pins. Huge adult females. Gross.

 
It's very obvious that those geckos are not healthy right now. Not just the lack of fat, but the faded colors, too. They just don't look good.

I'm really sad to see this from Chaz, but thank you both for the warning. This isn't something I would have expected from him.

Has he been notified of this thread? I'd really like to hear what he has to say. There is just no excuse for sending geckos that look like that.
 
Someone tagged him in the thread on fb, and the link is in the doc. I blocked him bc he had messaged me again saying that i was "getting the story wrong" and after having people coming to me saying the things he was saying about me, I told him the evidence is all there, to let everyone else decide how they felt about it and just blocked him and anyone that brought that drama to me.
 
Nicole, thank you for sharing your story. However, you must attach those images to the post instead of just linking from an external site, as per BOI rules. Figured I'd tell you before you get an infraction from upper level management here. You can only attach four images per post. To attach an image, click "Go Advanced" and look for the attachments option there.
 
snakesareawesome said:
I guess everyone who buys geckos from him infests them just to make him look bad? After all, he says he didn't sell any parasite infested geckos!
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Not even sure how Id accomplish that considering ALL of my other geckos are fat and healthy lol. The biggest proof is what they looked like advertised and on arrival. Like I said i was never out to destroy anyones business or whatever but this has just gotten out of hand and people need to know, especially people that bought from him and now have geckos withering away.
 
snowgyre said:
Nicole, thank you for sharing your story. However, you must attach those images to the post instead of just linking from an external site, as per BOI rules. Figured I'd tell you before you get an infraction from upper level management here. You can only attach four images per post. To attach an image, click "Go Advanced" and look for the attachments option there.
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Nikki said she would be able to fix them in a little while when she gets out of class
 
And do i go ahead and re-do the whole thing, with just pics off the comp then? this web site IS confusing. lol. i tried to add pics and at first it wouldn't let me, then i was like OK, i have to add via external, so off i went. I'm really really sorry.
 
Nikki, you upload here and use the image code (copy/paste each pic ) as you do on the forum you know me on. Hope that helps.

I am so sorry about everyone's bad dealings here. :(

The poor Leos should never have been sent out in those conditions.
 
JumpSpidersInc said:
Nikki, you upload here and use the image code (copy/paste each pic ) as you do on the forum you know me on. Hope that helps.

I am so sorry about everyone's bad dealings here. :(

The poor Leos should never have been sent out in those conditions.[/QUOTE]

JUUUUUUMMMPPPPP!!!!! (im going to the site.)
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I thought of a million ways to argue my point, to defend my business, to try and convince you people of jury and judge, but honestly at this point, it's rare that someone that has something good to say will actually come out and say it. (It's like good reviews and bad reviews) the good just never gets a chance to shine.

So, with that being said, I Chaz of Avangel Reptiles, will say what I have to say, and I will respond no more. I have been breeding and selling geckos for far longer than some of the people on here arguing and cursing my business and I. I have always been true to my customers, and treated them with the utmost respect. This is business and I would like to find the best way possible to right a wrong without both parties at a loss. Granted, unbeknownst to me, I did not intentionally send ill geckos. It has not, nor will it ever be what I stand for. There are some upset customers out there that feel cheated. I apologize you feel that way, but I have been fully responsive to any and all questions that they may have. I'm ashame it took you all 4 pages worth of comments before you decided to inform me of this thread, but now that is besides the point. For those of you out there that read this thread, knowing I gave honest and great customer service, and refuse to post your experience, it is for that reason why this should not be called a community any longer. I'm going to clear up a few things. I use a DSLR Camera on a white backdrop with natural light, light bulbs. I do not in anyway falsify a geckos appearance what so ever. Take a picture, with a white background and a carpet background with the same lighting and tell me you don't see a difference. Honestly, even though this has gotten way out of hand, you pet owners have taught me a lot. Just don't sale to inexperience people. I sold 100's of geckos, and now my first issue makes me the big bad enemy. Where is my validation in customer service? Also, I never told that girl I was a retired vet. It says I was in the military. There is a difference. Soldiers are contracted, and mine was a for a few years, and yes what I saw in my time in Iraq is (human) mass murders, destruction, and so much more. Us humans are so quick to kill and conquer based on jealousy and greed. So to say I sent reptiles intentionally with parasites is inhuman, the parasites the geckos had when shipped was a mere accident. There was no intentions about it. It's funny, the only time you all seem to band together, is when you are trying to take someone down, or the government is trying to take the reptile industry down. I'm tired of fighting for and against people on here. I came into this industry to make a difference, and the only difference I made, is nothing. Thank you for hearing me out.
 
SO this is OUR fault, in essence? Because we don't have hundreds aof geckos? because we don't have a business and are "big breeders". thats the biggest cop out i have ever heard. ever. inexperienced buyers has NOT A THING to do with this. these were like this BEFORE we got them. were worse when they arrived from those "updated ' photos you sent. how much stress does it take to make a leo start to produce those worms? starvation? lack of proper care? tell me. i would like to know? did you go and worm all your hundreds of geckos like you told me you would ? or was that just way to many for you to do? theres a line that was crossed when these began to decline. and it was not on MY part that they did. you , and only you should take the responsibly of the way they look, they way they were cared for BEFORE we got them. US women, yeah, US really MAD women, see value in our animals lives. you see the value of the $$. if my leos test comes back positive for crypto, its not in anyway your fault? i don't have it here. none of my leos have worms. NONE.
 
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