This guy is trying to sell eastern box turtles as 3 toed and selling illegally caught turtles here on this site. I got in trouble for calling him a name and got told I will get kicked off the site but the guy #1 illegal action taking protected turtles out of the habitat #2 illegal action selling them in a state where there illegal to own or sell. I get in trouble for calling him a name and he's lying on his ad and doing illegal activity and he is ok. Seems like that's a little a**backwards. I am very upset that a guy can lie do illegal crap and I'm the one getting in trouble WOW tell me that is not wrong. Don't ever buy from this guy or you will be making a illegal buy even if you buy them and they are ok in your state, you still can get in trouble. So beware of buyer and watch what you say on here they might ban you but will let people do illegal stuff all day long.
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Bad Guy Daniel Christian
- Thread starter Levi4turtle
- Start date
Jay Sommers Reptiles
Active member
Who is this post about? The seller? You or the admins? You seem to be more focused on your reprimand than the actions of the seller
Pasodama
New member
Link, to Ad, is here:
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=526808
Those are, certainly, not Three Toed Box turtles.
I love how the one foot, that could have shown the entire rear foot, is cut, or cropped, off. LoL
At any rate, those are Eastern Box turtles and they are, indeed, illegal to sell, trade, etc., and illegal to possess (without a permit) here in Ohio.
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=526808
Those are, certainly, not Three Toed Box turtles.
I love how the one foot, that could have shown the entire rear foot, is cut, or cropped, off. LoL
At any rate, those are Eastern Box turtles and they are, indeed, illegal to sell, trade, etc., and illegal to possess (without a permit) here in Ohio.
Pasodama
New member
That = *where it
You can get banned, justifiably, for violating site rules. Whether something is legal or not is not always black or white, and you should not expect the site staff to interpret the law or to enforce your opinion of a certain situation.
Stop whining.
Pasodama
New member
BTW Scott, it is in the site rules that you cannot, among other things, "call people (derogatory) names". That is what, I am sure, the mods were addressing.
They did not address the issue, that you had with the seller, because their job is, solely, to make sure that members follow site rules.
They did not address the issue, that you had with the seller, because their job is, solely, to make sure that members follow site rules.
Pasodama
New member
As with anything, everywhere, Caveat Emptor applies.
This site is no different.
However, this site does offer tool/s for research on a person/business.
This site is no different.
However, this site does offer tool/s for research on a person/business.
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cindy thomson
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Scott thanks for your concern about Eastern Box turtles. Why don't you call the DEM of the state where he is located.
hhmoore
tired & cranky shadow
I thought you were going to address your concerns in the proper forum, Mr David? Seems that you devoted a couple of sentences, at best, to the subject of this thread...the rest is disruptive and off-topic to this thread (you seem to have a flair for that. If you want to discuss your infraction, or the policies of this site (which would include moderator responses to reported posts, how we address problems, and the matter of "illegal animals") take it to the Fauna Feedback Forum. When you do, as a matter of personal interest, I would like you to show me where you were told you would be kicked off the site.
*Be advised, if you decide you can't be bothered to take those issues to the proper forum, there's a very good chance that I will start the thread and use your antics as examples.
In the meantime, I suggest that you limit your posting in this thread to the topic of Daniel Christian
*Be advised, if you decide you can't be bothered to take those issues to the proper forum, there's a very good chance that I will start the thread and use your antics as examples.
In the meantime, I suggest that you limit your posting in this thread to the topic of Daniel Christian
Robert Walker
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A general thought:
Sometimes when posts are reported, the person reporting the post is over zealous in seeing an all guns blazing immediate response. It is an erroneous thought process to assume that all "reported posts" are in violation of site rules. It is equally erroneous to assume that nothing is being done about a situation. In many cases, items are being silently worked on in the background.
While someone else might be doing things you think are wrong, in the meantime, it is not wise to shot yourself in the foot by also doing things to get yourself infractions. Mixing a little strategy in with tactics is advisable. Plenty of members warn others about potential scams without getting infractions in the process. Curious if something is being worked on in the background? Here is a little well keep secret... there is a thing called "private message", you are welcome to ask.
Taking jabs at the staff/site/others only gets someone so far before all bridges are burned and behind scenes volunteer work decides to magically dry up. Count to 100, use some strategy & tactics and see if sweet doesn't get folks further than sour.
Sometimes when posts are reported, the person reporting the post is over zealous in seeing an all guns blazing immediate response. It is an erroneous thought process to assume that all "reported posts" are in violation of site rules. It is equally erroneous to assume that nothing is being done about a situation. In many cases, items are being silently worked on in the background.
While someone else might be doing things you think are wrong, in the meantime, it is not wise to shot yourself in the foot by also doing things to get yourself infractions. Mixing a little strategy in with tactics is advisable. Plenty of members warn others about potential scams without getting infractions in the process. Curious if something is being worked on in the background? Here is a little well keep secret... there is a thing called "private message", you are welcome to ask.
Taking jabs at the staff/site/others only gets someone so far before all bridges are burned and behind scenes volunteer work decides to magically dry up. Count to 100, use some strategy & tactics and see if sweet doesn't get folks further than sour.
Pasodama
New member
Whether he actually did, or not, who knows. However, Scott did state, in the sales thread, that he reported Daniel to authorities.
Mighty J
Member
IMHO, there are far to many self appointed, self righteous, nosey "cops" patrolling this selling forum. Don't like it, don't participate, or PM the seller. There are many possible scenarios and what may seem egregious to you, might be a case of cb, very long term pre protection, or rescue / rehab / adoption.
I called him a lowlife and I got infarctions against me. Yes it makes me very mad when people take turtles out of there natural habitat no matter legal or not and clearly his actions are illegal and he's lying too trying to sell them as 3 toed box and there eastern which is illegal in Ohio I already contacted the ODNR and they are going to investigate it. He is the same person trying to sell eastern box turtles before on here I remember his post now. He tried last time and nothing was done and now he's trying again. I hope no one buy off this guy anyone buying them is also committing a crime by buying them from a person where there illegal to have in the first place. His last ad everyone asked him if he had a permit and he just deleted ad and never responded in my mind that's shows he has no permit. I hope he gets what's coming for taking them poor things out of there home and putting them in a cage it's so wrong and sickens me that's why there numbers are declining is from people like him if this keeps up there will be no more left in wild. It's funny I get infarctions and he still is on this site after another attempt to sell illegal turtles which he thinks is ok because no one will do anything. Well I did what goes around comes around.
Pasodama
New member
It does not matter what the background story is on these, or other, EBT.
In Ohio, it is, as I pointed out, illegal to buy, trade, sell them. Also illegal to possess without a permit (no, I won't become a broken record
). Rescued, etc., EasternBT, generally, need to be turned over or you must get a permit for it (but still cannot sell, trade, etc., the turtle).
Am just pointing out the facts, nothing more.
Out of curiosity (legitimately curious), do you believe it is okay to do something illegal in the reptile trade/community (rescuing aside)?
oh no he called me names better watch out you will get in trouble. there is some unprofessional people on here. I would love to post the new ignorant pm I just got from a certain someone. I posted it in the feedback section and then I will get told its in wrong place again jumping around trying to find right place. I love the people here there so nice.
Robert Walker
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Robert Walker
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Daniel, since you are viewing this thread, please feel free to chime in and give us your insight.
No Robert he had a posting on here about a month or so ago trying to sell eastern box turtles and a lot of people flipped that time and im not the only one that remembers it there was a guy on the op that said he posted on his other post when he was trying to sell them before and he deleted ad after about 22 replies on it about him selling illegal turtles and everyone asking him for his permit which he never provided. And I found out even with a permit you still cant sell them to anyone in any state. Sorry but if this kind of crap keeps up there will be no box turtles for people to enjoy in the wild. Here in Michigan if a dnr see's you even touch a box turtle you can go to jail just for touching it. And I have seen many more stories on other forums of people taking babies out of the nest and stuff like that. There is a reason why they are protected because there numbers are declining and main reason is humans taking them. There are beautiful creatures and they deserve to live a life in there natural habitat not in a cage and most die in captivity too. I just love turtles and hate to see them disappear from the wild. They can't talk and need us to protect them and that's what I'm all about the conservation of any protected turtle or any animal. I will bet my account that he had earlier post selling illegal box turtles but he deleted them. The turtles cant fight fpr them self so im here to give them a helping hand to survive.
Robert Walker
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That is 100% speculation on your part. Breathe...
This was referring to your comment, "nothing was done". Since you don't have access behind the scenes here on Fauna, it is 100% speculation on your part to falsely assume "nothing was done" and/or being done. I applaud your zest for defending animals and trying to protect them, I don't think anyone is here criticizing that, so hats off to you.
Robert Walker
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Daniel, you are still viewing this thread now. This BOI is about you, now is the time to share your side. We are all listening, lets hear it