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Bad Guy Jim Flaherty of the Chameleon Company

Herpguy11 said:
A request has been made today by another member as stated on a previous page. Hopefully that turns up results. It is a shame Jim has to resort to personal attacks instead of just providing evidence to support what he is saying.

HOWEVER, as I stated before, even if the FWC did come and check one time it is far from the end of the story here.
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LOL. It is the end of this charade, for sure. Jackasses can claim all they want, and I cannot stop that. But I can show that they are jackasses. And I am most comfortable in this position. The favorable response has been overwhelming in sales and FB postings, to name two measures.

Can't please everybody. But I can please a lot..... :D
 
Chameleon Company said:
LOL. It is the end of this charade, for sure. Jackasses can claim all they want, and I cannot stop that. But I can show that they are jackasses.
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As I pointed out in post #213, here are the obscenities directed towards those that disagree with him. Anyone starting to see some parallels between Flaherty and Nichols yet???
 
Chameleon Company said:
Deb. If FWC wanted to generate an internal file, that is their business. Just as if a cop pulled you over, then decided to not cite you, you leave with nothing, and also no idea if the cop made an internal record, somehow public if dug for. Not for you to prove that you have no ticket. If someone claims you do, it is for them to document
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Apples & oranges.
Besides that, citation or not, there would be a CAD report re. the stop, who it was, when, what for, and disposition (citation, written warning, or verbal warning).

Granted, there is no guarantee that a report was generated by FWC. However, most professional/efficient agencies will make a report/document showing where they "visited" and what was found (be it something or nothing).
 
jishillencik said:
As I pointed out in post #213, here are the obscenities directed towards those that disagree with him. Anyone starting to see some parallels between Flaherty and Nichols yet???
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As has been shown in the screenshots from CGW, Josh and Robert Nichols participated in the same threads trashing others. Only a small minority in this hobby do that. Are members there.

But Illincek and Nichols found comfort in that environment.

Didn't work out, huh.

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Chameleon Company said:
As has been shown in the screenshots from CGW, Josh and Robert Nichols participated in the same threads trashing others. Only a small minority in this hobby do that. Are members there.

But Illincek and Nichols found comfort in that environment.

Didn't work out, huh.

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Lol. Trash talking? Posting a link is actively trash talking???
 
People are wanting proof from Jim. It is a fair request.

However, what about those people who are bashing Jim?
Where is their proof that Jim deliberately released (or is releasing) chams, or that he deliberately passes off mixes as pure, or any number of other speculative allegations being passed around as though fact?
 
Pasodama said:
People are wanting proof from Jim. It is a fair request.

However, what about those people who are bashing Jim?
Where is their proof that Jim deliberately released (or is releasing) chams, or that he deliberately passes off mixes as pure, or any number of other speculative allegations being passed around as though fact?
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Post #2 includes screenshots of him admitting to escapees. Post #18 has a screenshot in which Jim acknowledges that there will always be animals escaping from his facility. Cage design that allows for wild bugs to get in will allow babies to escape and he says he is content with his system. Perhaps it is not as deliberate as opening the cage and letting them out himself, but he clearly recognizes the design flaw, knows animals are escaping, and says he is OK with it. That seems pretty deliberate in my opinion.
 
jishillencik said:
Post #2 includes screenshots of him admitting to escapees. Post #18 has a screenshot in which Jim acknowledges that there will always be animals escaping from his facility. Cage design that allows for wild bugs to get in will allow babies to escape and he says he is content with his system. Perhaps it is not as deliberate as opening the cage and letting them out himself, but he clearly recognizes the design flaw, knows animals are escaping, and says he is OK with it. That seems pretty deliberate in my opinion.
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I am aware, and have already made a statement, re. Jim having admitted to escapes.

Problem is that certain people speculated, embellished, etc., and started making claims that Jim was/is releasing chams. Stating this, among other accusations, as though it were 100% factual.
There is nothing, in the screenshots, that proves Jim was/is doing so. No admittance, to having released chams, either.

I remember where Jim had made statements re. the design flaw, of his outdoor enclosures, which enabled the escape of baby chams. Baby chams that hatched from eggs that were missed when egg collection/s took place.

I also remember his statement of being okay/content with it (with some, or less, escapes?). Will have to double check but I believe that statement followed right after Jim's claim of having done something to lessen the design flaw & escapes.
Although, in this thread, he claimed to having fixed the flaw issue (seemingly where there would be no escapes).:shrug01:
I guess it would be nice if we had before, & after, photos of Jim's enclosures. As it stands, all we have is his word.

If Jim has not done something, to make his enclosures 100% escape proof, then I will agree, with you, in that this is a problem and irresponsible.
It does not, however, make it right for people to make false accusations, spread speculative allegations as though 100% factual with no proof, or to attack Jim in such a venomous manner as some people have.
 
You will never keep cb animals from spreading...one will always get out ..he at least tries and prevents it....also admits to being human and making mistakes...whether he is a good person or not is not the publics concern...if you don't like him don't buy from him....but don't trash a good company over personal bs
 
Josh and Deb. And others. The standard of performance is not to a kangaroo court of self-appointed experts, who have already shown themselves to not only lack the knowledge, but also the discipline, to evaluate. I have no intention to furnish "proof" to such a group of miscreants as CGW has shown themselves to be. FWC was satisfied.

Only one "wild" chameleon has been found since September. Meanwhile, FWC does establish housing requirements on different species as they classify them. See their website. They are the governing authority. They are far more knowledgeable of what the concerns are, and all things wildlife and habitat here in Florida, than anyone in this thread.

Had Josh had any sense of responsibility, and being "responsible" was never a motivation here, he would have first contacted the FWC, from Ohio, and made a complaint, inquiry, whatever. Then waited to see what their evaluation was. Rather, they claimed all sorts of armchair knowledge about damage to the ecosystem, etc., none of which was held to be even remotely accurate. No different from being suspect of any statutory violation for anything anywhere. But this is the malice inherent with the few miscreants members and Admin of Chameleons Gone Wild. That malfeasance is extensively documented in the other thread, with more to come, but some here as well.
 
Pasodama said:
I also remember his statement of being okay/content with it (with some, or less, escapes?). Will have to double check but I believe that statement followed right after Jim's claim of having done something to lessen the design flaw & escapes.
Although, in this thread, he claimed to having fixed the flaw issue (seemingly where there would be no escapes).:shrug01:
I guess it would be nice if we had before, & after, photos of Jim's enclosures. As it stands, all we have is his word..
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You are correct all we have are Jim's public statements. The claims he has made differ drastically from his original statements that I have provided. He also has not provided any evidence to back up what he is saying now.
 
This following few paragraphs will be posted in both threads, as it goes to both issues. This aspect goes to the heart of the matter. It has been mentioned earlier as well, but is buried, and worthy of reminding:

The issue of escapes began as a thread that I posted on Chameleon Central US (CC), a FB forum. It was put there as there was much info to share, and discuss, that went right to the natural husbandry of panther chameleons, in the wilds of Central Florida, even if only a temporary existence. It was very much new info, as our climate etc. varies significanlty from their range in Madagascar, and yet we were loaded with observations.

Many people were positively engaged in the discussion. Over 100 members put "likes" on the introduction. But a group of about six folks, mostly CGW members, continually interjected every effort to foul and hijack the thread. Led by Joshua Illinek. Robert Nichols is banned from CC. The thread was deleted due to their nonsense. They were not there to learn, or even engage concerns responsibly.

After a warning, the thread was started again. Same result. Same folks. Thread deleted. Unable to restrain themselves, their angst to trash others spilled into even other threads at CC. Some CGW folks were banned from CC.
Josh and his ilk could have registered their complaints with FWC, which they did, if that was their true concern. But it was not, as demonstrated by their actions in flash-mobbing the discussions. More than twice.

The topic will get a full airing soon, when I have time again.
 
Chameleon Company said:
The issue of escapes began as a thread that I posted on Chameleon Central US (CC), a FB forum. It was put there as there was much info to share, and discuss, that went right to the natural husbandry of panther chameleons, in the wilds of Central Florida, even if only a temporary existence. It was very much new info, as our climate etc. varies significanlty from their range in Madagascar, and yet we were loaded with observations.
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There you go contradicting your original statement. Your original post says that they are "here to stay".

For the record, I am all for scientific research into furcifer pardalis but in controlled environments not your property and others adjacent to yours.

You did make mention that the cold might thin out their numbers. The animals escaped your facility. Would it not be construed as animal cruelty if you left your dog outside for the winter expecting it to die??
 

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There you go contradicting your original statement. Your original post says that they are "here to stay".

For the record, I am all for scientific research into furcifer pardalis but in controlled environments not your property and others adjacent to yours.

You did make mention that the cold might thin out their numbers. The animals escaped your facility. Would it not be construed as animal cruelty if you left your dog outside for the winter expecting it to die??
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Josh. You are not being honest. The larger discussion, and note where I included the Oustalet and Veiled in my discussion, in your screen shot, included the South Florida populations of all three species, as there are none of those two other species here, in Central Florida, and my own incident has long been under control, as evidenced by what I have said, and what FWC found. Further, others in the thread or threads had posted knowledge of such South Florida populations of all, to include some pictures of panther chameleons caught in South Florida.

This goes exactly to my point. You were never about the truth here. Just a hit-job. Now it has all turned back on you. You have been less than honest from the beginning.
 
It is pretty obvious from the above post that you are referring to Panther chameleons in your area. You go immediately from talking about Panther chameleons in your immediate area and then make the statement "Panther chameleons are here to stay" directly after. There is no differentiation made on your part.

Your response is nothing more than evasive, and you also ignored the second part of Josh's post. You also go to your typical attack along the lines of calling somebody "misinformed" by saying he is not being honest.
 
Herpguy11 said:
It is pretty obvious from the above post that you are referring to Panther chameleons in your area. You go immediately from talking about Panther chameleons in your immediate area and then make the statement "Panther chameleons are here to stay" directly after. There is no differentiation made on your part.

Your response is nothing more than evasive, and you also ignored the second part of Josh's post. You also go to your typical attack along the lines of calling somebody "misinformed" by saying he is not being honest.
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Haters gotta hate. You are going to believe whatever you want to believe. You would fit well at CGW, if not already a member.
 
Guy Castro said:
Welcome to the world of social media "know it alls"!
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Did you notice that we both joined here in the same month ..... :)

I have seen so many "internet experts" in my day. Reminds me of a famous quote:

Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.

Albert Einstein
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