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Inquiry KRIS REINERS ------ ARIZONA

Good lord above, Tom give it a rest please!
Nick I should just quit with him, it seems to be a lost cause
If there is one thing I HATE, its when somebody assumes just because you are new to joining Fauna you must be a noob.....only a true noob would think that way!
Now it seems the last 20 odd posts from Tom and Nick have not really aided this thread one little bit so can we get back on track?
 
Neither of these posts have anything to do with the topic at hand. Can we get it back to the original inquiry? Unless you feel like landing yourself infractions. Completely up to you.

You're right, I'm done here. Tom, feel free to keep making an idiot of yourself, you don't need me here to do that.
 
Take the off topic back and forths to PMs please or go start a Hell thread and go at each other. This thread needs to stay on topic.
 
The death of Tank is being blamed on Kris with an altered timeline, I think? I really am not sure.

I just happened to notice they were referencing Tank and I know of the animal somewhat well so I have what I know. I know nothing about what started this or who the accuser of Kris is.
 
So, can someone sum up what is going on?

Dave

Hey Dave. It's real simple... Kris had a guilty conscience, and posted my first picture.

That is HIS post from a FeceBook group, somebody answered, that was ILLEST JAY, now I want to know if there's more, or what has happened?

That's it! Anything good about Kris, or anything bad. It's really that simple!

We had a couple people muddy the water. Hey, no big deal, Kris lied that the snake was still alive, Diem has confirmed IT IS DEAD!

Now I'm gonna get these other two guys involved in here for us. Hopefully!

How'd I do?
 
Talk about ego -.-

David, Tom created this post making accusations that Kris had sold people sick snakes under the guise that this was an 'information thread', which anyone reading this knows is a ridiculous claim. I assume that they got into an argument about it on Facebook, and Tom ended up getting banned from that group and couldn't respond anymore (surprise). Since he couldn't keep it going there he decided to bring it here, but now he's banned here too.

Apparently Tom is claiming that Kris sold someone a snake with mouth rot and scale rot, but all evidence is pointing to this NOT being the case. He is also saying that the snake died, but this seems to be about 6 months after it was sold.

So far, no one has provided any evidence that Kris ever sold a sick snake. In fact, the only statement that has been provided has been to the contrary. I'm guessing Kris said something to make Tom mad so he came here to exact his revenge. There doesn't seem to be any substance to his claims, but we'll see what these other people have to say, assuming they come here.

Based on how Tom has been acting, I think we can all safely assume why this thread was actually created.
 
I apologize for wasting space arguing earlier in the thread, but that's the summary as of now. It sounds like "illest jay" was mad because the snake died, but Kris hadn't even been in possession of the snake for at least 6 months. Maybe they have some evidence that hasn't been provided yet, who knows.
 
Yo, kids ... take it back to FarceBook. The immature drama gets so old when it migrates here from there. Seriously.

Laura I've literally never interacted with Tom before this thread. I've never even posted on the same thread or forum as him. Everything he has said to me in this thread is based exclusively on what you see here. He has no reason to do it other than that I called him out.
 
Tank died, RIP Tank. It happens.

Make no question, I am not siding with one party or the other. There are no FACTS to form a decision/opinion on, based upon the little that has been posted. That said, I am not siding with one party or any other party here.

You yourself have admitted to making questionable, impulsive purchases, Nick, and then came back here to post about at least one, when you did not remember or took the time to note who you bought from at a show. That is a fact.

Whatever FarceBook garbage is unfolding, leave it there or bring FACTS here. That's all I was projecting, Nick. I was not singling you out, so unless you and I ... or others ... have FACTS, then leave it at FarceBook. That is all.

Same with Tom P. Bring on the facts, bring on the evidence.

It seems like so much petty and immature FarceBook crap migrates here, it gets tiresome, repetitious and really old.
 
You yourself have admitted to making questionable, impulsive purchases, Nick, and then came back here to post about at least one, when you did not remember or took the time to note who you bought from at a show. That is a fact.

That's entirely untrue. Not the part about making impulsive purchases, but I don't think I'm the only person guilty of that lol.

I have only ever made one BOI thread, and if you check to verify it is about Siren Exotics. I had the dates, conversations, locations, everything. I provided every amount of evidence that could possibly be necessary.

Not sure where you're getting the information that I don't remember who I bought my animals from? I have records on almost all of my animals, even the ones I've had for 5 years.
 
Oh, I think you're thinking of the sand boa I bought a few months ago. I could easily check my messages on facebook and find out who sold me her, I just didn't want to go through the trouble of making a BOI thread about it. I have no evidence that she's the one who paired her or if it was someone she bought it from, all I know is that it was too small and had babies and I had to euthanize two of them. Not sure how that's related to any of this though?
 
I never made a BOI thread about that, I posted in the "sound off" section about how stupid it is to breed animals that are too small. I don't think that I needed to provide any facts or evidence there, that it was simply a place to vocalize frustrations? I didn't name anyone or make any accusations, I was just frustrated that I had to euthanize animals because of someone else practicing poor breeding procedures.

But again, not sure how that relates to anything else you're talking about?
 
Yeah, you're correct, Nick. You didn't post a thread on the BOI because you did not remember or note who you purchased the female sand boa from.

You're also correct, you did only post a whiny, accusatory thread about breeding too young, but you did not know who you purchased from, so no, you could not post a BOI thread (where names are required).

Due diligence. Just like this thread. No evidence, no proof.

Again, not singling you out, but there is no proof of anything to point to Bad Guy. I got no dog in this fight, it just feels like more FarceBook garbage coming back here.
 
Yeah, you're correct, Nick. You didn't post a thread on the BOI because you did not remember or note who you purchased the female sand boa from.

You're also correct, you did only post a whiny, accusatory thread about breeding too young, but you did not know who you purchased from, so no, you could not post a BOI thread (where names are required).

Due diligence. Just like this thread. No evidence, no proof.

Again, not singling you out, but there is no proof of anything to point to Bad Guy. I got no dog in this fight, it just feels like more FarceBook garbage coming back here.

Would you feel better if I got you the name? I could have it in 30 seconds. As I just said, I didn't think I had enough real evidence to make a BOI thread and so didn't bother.

Link to my whiny, accusatory thread: http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=539313

I completely agree, there was no evidence in the case of this thread. That's why I called Tom out and why he got so mad at me. The only person bringing facebook here is Tom, my thread could have been from a person at a show, a friend, a major breeder, anyone. I was stating a general anger that I have about people breeding animals that are too small. Or "whining" as you call it.
 
I'm sorry Laura, I don't know how much you like having to smash an animal's head in with a hammer but it's really not at the top of my list of favorite past times. Yea, I was a little mad that I bought a snake that had babies that I had to kill because they were so deformed. According to you, being upset about that is considered whining. Good to know.
 
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