Inquiry KRIS REINERS ------ ARIZONA

[Big Borg Reptiles]

You yourself have admitted to making questionable, impulsive purchases, Nick, and then came back here to post about at least one, when you did not remember or took the time to note who you bought from at a show. That is a fact.

Whatever FarceBook garbage is unfolding, leave it there or bring FACTS here. That's all I was projecting, Nick. I was not singling you out, so unless you and I ... or others ... have FACTS, then leave it at FarceBook.

This is somewhat humorous as well. You're not singling me out, you're just bringing up the ONE post I have EVER made that mentioned the words "facebook" and "impulse buy", and using that as a "fact" that I'm bringing facebook drama here. I don't follow your logic, but if you want to turn this on me somehow that's your business. You should try reading the thread again before you throw around too many accusations.

Again, I didn't make a BOI because I didn't want to. Do I have to make a BOI if I'm unhappy? I didn't think i had enough concrete evidence to make one, so I didn't. By the way, I sent you her name and location in a PM so that you can do your own investigating since it seems so important to you.

 

[hhmoore]

Nick, you've made multiple posts that don't seem to have ANYTHING to do with the topic of this thread since April posted her warning. Perhaps you didn't take her seriously for some reason...I suggest you push yourself away from this thread, or confine yourself to the topic shown in the title, unless you want to find yourself without privileges for a few days. (Don't even a response to this message)

 

[Lucille]

Yes was tank I took him in as rescue 2 years ago traded to illist jay in november and sold to Patrick. Was overweight and healthy when I traded. The boa died in june? So out of my care for 6+ months first time I heard the boa died was last night and supposedly it died 2 months after illist jay got it.

I'll get Patrick Scarlato and ILLEST JAY to try and come in for us.

So Kris has recounted a basic timeline. Unless Patrick, Illest or others come here with first hand information that disputes the timeline, I can't see that Kris is at fault here.
Simply because one sells a critter that dies six months later does not reflect back on the seller. There is a lot that can happen in 6 months. If anything, the lack of posted vet reports says something about subsequent owners who allege a long illness.

Hopefully info with facts will be posted.

 

[kris reiners]

Tom got mad at me on fb last night that's why he is posting this. If I sold a sick snake why was Patrick still trying to buy some short tails a couple months ago? Ive done nothing wrong but made Tom mad. Never sold a sick snake.

 

[Big Borg Reptiles]

Tom got mad at me on fb last night that's why he is posting this. If I sold a sick snake why was Patrick still trying to buy some short tails a couple months ago? Ive done nothing wrong but made Tom mad. Never sold a sick snake.

The reason I mentioned there being no previous interactions with Tom or facebook drama involving myself is because it's directly related to the responses I've elicited from Tom. There is no previous involvement or even indirect communications involving Tom and myself. Therefore, everything that he said to me was based solely on what's in this thread.

This is relevant because it substantiates Kris's claim that Tom is just doing this because he got mad at him. If Tom has no idea who I am and has never had any sort of contact with me but would go so far as to try insulting my business, try insulting me personally, and even search for arrest records only because he got mad shows that's the sort of person he is.

Based on what Kris has said so far, and the way Tom has treated this whole thing, I feel fairly confident that this thread was made only as a retaliatory measure by Tom after getting upset. I wouldn't be surprised if he makes one about me after his ban is gone. It just seems to be something he would do, so I'm not holding my breath on anyone coming here to say Kris did anything wrong.

 

[VenomousAddiction]

I don't know how much you like having to smash an animal's head in with a hammer

What is wrong with you?! Normal people do not euthanize animals that way!

 

[Big Borg Reptiles]

What is wrong with you?! Normal people do not euthanize animals that way!

Feel free to send me a pm regarding this, but you're wrong. The only humane way to euthanize a reptile is to pith or crush the brain. Any other method prolongs their death or causes them immense pain.

 

[ElexisC]

The reason I mentioned there being no previous interactions with Tom or facebook drama involving myself is because it's directly related to the responses I've elicited from Tom. There is no previous involvement or even indirect communications involving Tom and myself. Therefore, everything that he said to me was based solely on what's in this thread.

This is relevant because it substantiates Kris's claim that Tom is just doing this because he got mad at him. If Tom has no idea who I am and has never had any sort of contact with me but would go so far as to try insulting my business, try insulting me personally, and even search for arrest records only because he got mad shows that's the sort of person he is.

Based on what Kris has said so far, and the way Tom has treated this whole thing, I feel fairly confident that this thread was made only as a retaliatory measure by Tom after getting upset. I wouldn't be surprised if he makes one about me after his ban is gone. It just seems to be something he would do, so I'm not holding my breath on anyone coming here to say Kris did anything wrong.

I've been trying to keep my mouth shut, but that is exactly how Tom is. All you need to do is go to his Facebook group "ball python and boa q and a's, sharing and breeding" and see exactly how he treats the newbies and people who stumble upon that group and ask for help or advice. Him and his "friends" will gang up and just bash and make fun of said person asking for help. And even when I questioned him and told him to back off the newbies and different things he gets mad calls me a "petco expert" because I didn't agree with everything he said and all of his "advice". No I'm not a breeder yet, no I'm not an expert, but neither is he and rhe way he talks to people and treats people is disgusting, especially the newbies or people who generally need help. So I am not surprised this came from him getting mad at someone and trying to blacken their name.

 

[ElexisC]

That "neither is he" is about the expert part. But anyone who disagrees or has different ways is a "petco expert" and him and his friends attack said person who doesn't agree. I'm actually happy this thread is here so more people can see the real him.

 

[Guy Castro]

I've been trying to keep my mouth shut, but that is exactly how Tom is. All you need to do is go to his Facebook group "ball python and boa q and a's, sharing and breeding" and see exactly how he treats the newbies and people who stumble upon that group and ask for help or advice. .

My huge issue with "newbies" and the younger generation,is that with the wealth of information out there, they are to damn lazy to search and read. They want to be spoon fed,like mommy is still changing their diapers!

 

[Big Borg Reptiles]

My huge issue with "newbies" and the younger generation,is that with the wealth of information out there, they are to damn lazy to search and read. They want to be spoon fed,like mommy is still changing their diapers!

There's also a lot of BAD information out there. Asking people who have been in the business for a while for their thoughts isn't a good reason to get treated like garbage.

 

[ElexisC]

My huge issue with "newbies" and the younger generation,is that with the wealth of information out there, they are to damn lazy to search and read. They want to be spoon fed,like mommy is still changing their diapers!

Then you are part of the problem. I have done my research on many things, but would still ask for help if something didn't make sense or I couldn't find an answer to a question I had threw research. It's NOT a problem. Hell I still ask questions to build my knowledge it's not being spoon fed, it's going to keepers who are more experienced than you looking for advice from someone who has first hand knowledge. If you are annoyed by new keepers or younger keepers than how about don't answer them, let someone else do it.

Now if there's blatant evidence they have done absolutely no research, the animal is in danger, etc then yea by all means tell them how it is. But to go off on people, bash them, and make fun of them for going to someone more experienced for an answer is just flat out wrong and rude.

 

[Guy Castro]

Then you are part of the problem. I have done my research on many things, but would still ask for help if something didn't make sense or I couldn't find an answer to a question I had threw research. It's NOT a problem. Hell I still ask questions to build my knowledge it's not being spoon fed, it's going to keepers who are more experienced than you looking for advice from someone who has first hand knowledge. If you are annoyed by new keepers or younger keepers than how about don't answer them, let someone else do it.

Now if there's blatant evidence they have done absolutely no research, the animal is in danger, etc then yea by all means tell them how it is. But to go off on people, bash them, and make fun of them for going to someone more experienced for an answer is just flat out wrong and rude.

They are to lazy to search at all! These are they people I'm talking about. Common sense will eliminate the bad info Then again... Stupid is as stupid does.

 

[Guy Castro]

Then you are part of the problem. I have done my research on many things, but would still ask for help if something didn't make sense or I couldn't find an answer to a question I had threw research. It's NOT a problem. Hell I still ask questions to build my knowledge it's not being spoon fed, it's going to keepers who are more experienced than you looking for advice from someone who has first hand knowledge. If you are annoyed by new keepers or younger keepers than how about don't answer them, let someone else do it.

Now if there's blatant evidence they have done absolutely no research, the animal is in danger, etc then yea by all means tell them how it is. But to go off on people, bash them, and make fun of them for going to someone more experienced for an answer is just flat out wrong and rude.

You are obviously one of the them.

 

[ElexisC]

I'm not going to engage you anymore. Regardless if they're coming to keepers asking questions or googling it doesn't deserve being bashed and made fun of like I saw a lot of in that group to the point people would delete their posts and leave because it got so bad. If breeders and keepers can't handle being asked for advice or asking questions in a group that has QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS in the name then they shouldn't have or be in the group. If all you do is bash new people then I want no part of the group or breeder/keeper who does that.

Unless they are endangering the animal, asking the same questions over and over without making the changes advised, etc then there is absolutely no reason for that behavior.

 

[ElexisC]

You are obviously one of the them.[emoji106]

I'm one of them because I actually sound intelligent, not bashing new people and actually help where I can? Thanks I'll be sure to stay far away from you. I haven't had to ask a question in a while unless it's something I'm not very familiar with and there isn't much info to be found outside of asking knowledgeable keepers.

Now again I will not be engaging you any further than this as you seem to want to make fun of and bash new people, which I'm actually not a newbie. I have experience in many reptiles, you sir are just an antagonist. Have a good day.

 

[AbsoluteApril]

Nick, you've made multiple posts that don't seem to have ANYTHING to do with the topic of this thread since April posted her warning. Perhaps you didn't take her seriously for some reason...I suggest you push yourself away from this thread, or confine yourself to the topic shown in the title, unless you want to find yourself without privileges for a few days. (Don't even a response to this message)

I didn't see this response earlier but so be it. The warning had already been posted so I took action.

Reminder to all to please keep the thread on topic.

 

[Guy Castro]

Nick, you've made multiple posts that don't seem to have ANYTHING to do with the topic of this thread since April posted her warning. Perhaps you didn't take her seriously for some reason...I suggest you push yourself away from this thread, or confine yourself to the topic shown in the title, unless you want to find yourself without privileges for a few days. (Don't even a response to this message)

Well shoot,I was just going to return the neg karma he gave me for speaking the truth. Now I have to wait for the ban to expire.

 

[Amelanistic Orca]

Okay... Back on track! Thanks for that Alpril.

Kris---You mentioned that Patrick came back to you for another animal.

Was this the transaction?

And... Can you shed some light on this statement for me please? The one pictured, and made by Patrick?

We will all have to forgive him, he doesn't want to get "shredded" here on the BOI. I understand his lack of wanting to participate.

And then, did he ever come back for a 3rd animal?

Just curious!

And. Did Illest Jay ever come back to you for another animal too?

Those are my only questions for now.

And then... I made you something!

You're gonna really like this! I promise!

 

[Amelanistic Orca]

I hope...